Dutch journalist claims evidence MH17 shot down by Russian BUK missile

[Penguin]

Secondary surveillance radar (SSR)[1] is a radar system used in air traffic control (ATC), that not only detects and measures the position of aircraft i.e. range and bearing, but also requests additional information from the aircraft itself such as its identity and altitude. Unlike primary radar systems that measure only the range and bearing of targets by detecting reflected radio signals, SSR relies on targets equipped with a radar transponder, that replies to each interrogation signal by transmitting a response containing encoded data. SSR is based on the military identification friend or foe (IFF) technology originally developed during World War II, therefore the two systems are still compatible. Monopulse secondary surveillance radar (MSSR), Mode S, TCAS and ADS-B are similar modern methods of secondary surveillance.

Secondary surveillance radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) - BAE Systems

Wow this journalist is sherlock. Who would have thought that a Russian made Buk would have Russian cyrillics

Was the journalist expecting a Buk to have, for instance, Japanese text?

One might remove all markings....

 

[Galad]

Just another poor attempt from our resident Kiev trol in already lost information war againts Russia.For those actually interested -check what german secret services have said in their report to German parlament(report dated September 2014 btw).Also check amount of heavy censorship in recently released report from Holland.Those who are interested and have working brain will start asking themselves questions.Those like OP(who has remarkable zeal posting Kiev propaganda and lies) will keep repeatting usual nonsense.But facts remain the same-Russia has all the information.Will wait for final report released by so-called JIT(btw was suposed to be at 1y date but was moved further-why?) and release the infomation.

One might remove all markings....

Remove what?Seen the picture of same BUK supposedly used from this winter- from Ukranian base?Of course you did not.Not at Fox TV therefore non-existenteh?.Maybe check for yourself supposedly fragments from the BUK(delivered by Russia in your mind and rest of your kind) -they match fragments of missles used by your beloved Ukraine only.Not to mention holes matching 30 mm air-fighter cannons and air-to-air missle.Did not know Russian BUKs can use 30mm cannon and air-to-air missles...But of course anything is possible in minds of people for whom truth,facts and reality mean absolutely nothing.

 

[Penguin]

Just another poor attempt from our resident Kiev trol in already lost information war againts Russia.For those actually interested -check what german secret services have said in their report to German parlament(report dated September 2014 btw).Also check amount of heavy censorship in recently released report from Holland.Those who are interested and have working brain will start asking themselves questions.Those like OP(who has remarkable zeal posting Kiev propaganda and lies) will keep repeatting usual nonsense.But facts remain the same-Russia has all the information.Will wait for final report released by so-called JIT(btw was suposed to be at 1y date but was moved further-why?) and release the infomation.

There is no recently released such report. Only the very brief preliminary report. Which is what it is, a preliminary finding. If you claim censorship b y the Dutch authorities, then show what was left out or is factually incorrect. Rather than rant about 'people with a working brain'. Please apply to yourself, that in order with the mind to work, it has to be open. You clearly already have a conclusion and therefor a closed mind. What you claim as fact is actually opinion.

Remove what?Seen the picture of same BUK supposedly used from this winter- from Ukranian base?Of course you did not.Not at Fox TV therefore non-existenteh?.Maybe check for yourself supposedly fragments from the BUK(delivered by Russia in your mind and rest of your kind) -they match fragments of missles used by your beloved Ukraine only.Not to mention holes matching 30 mm air-fighter cannons and air-to-air missle.Did not know Russian BUKs can use 30mm cannon and air-to-air missles...But of course anything is possible in minds of people for whom truth,facts and reality mean absolutely nothing.

Remove markings. Just an example. With markings eliminated, how could you tell from fragments whether it was e.g. a Russian Buk missile or the very similar Chinese HQ-16? I'm not saying it was a Chinese HQ-16, just pointing out why the markings matter.

As is well known, I am Dutch and have no particular liking of either Russia or Ukraine. There is no need for you to go off on personal attack. That is why, if you continue with this tone and manner, I will take the matter up with senior management.

Have a nice day.

 

[Hindustani78]

Dutch experts find new body fragments at crash site of Boeing in Donetsk region| Ukrinform
KYIV, March 25 /Ukrinform. Dutch experts found new body fragments at the crash site of Boeing MH-17 in Donetsk region.

Ministry of Security and Justice of Netherlands reported the news.

"A group of Dutch military and police experts collected yesterday and today the body fragments near the village of Hrabove in eastern Ukraine. The remains were found at the crash site of Boeing MH-17 and sent to Kharkiv," said the ministry officials.

Also, the experts were reported to have found personal belongings of the passengers.

The remains of the passengers will be delivered to the Netherlands on Saturday, March 28. The same ceremony will be held at the air base in Eindhoven as previously.

 

[Penguin]

In the first week of March 2015 about 500 relatives and next of kin of the victims of flight MH17 will visit the wreckage of the aeroplane at the Air Force base Gilze-Rijen.
Immediately after the accident, investigators from the Dutch Safety Board travelled to the Ukraine and tried to reach the accident site in order to investigate the wreckage. Due to the unsafe situation this was not possible for a long time. For this reason, the Safety Board decided to recover the wreckage and transport it to the Netherlands for investigation once it was safe to do so. The recovery started on 16 November 2014.
This video provides an short impression of the wreckage that is stored at the Air Force base and the investigation of the wreckage.

 

[Hindustani78]

The Dutch prosecutors are still in the initial stages of the criminal investigation, but they have already dismissed speculation that the trial could be held at the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

Under the current plan, the suspects would be extradited to face trial at the District Court in The Hague. But extradition would require the host country's co-operation, once the suspects are identified.

 

[Galad]

There is no recently released such report.

Go educate yourself on the matter.
Plus educate yourself on the matter how fast all infomation was released of the plan crashed shortly after MH-17.Why is taking so long to release relevant information for MH-17?Apart for covering the terrorist act comitted by Ukraine(ordered by USA) of course.
Voice recording of recently crashed Airbus-already out.Why voice recording of MH-17 still not out?Apart from desire to cover up the crime comitted by Ukraine(ordered by USA) of course.

The Dutch prosecutors are still in the initial stages of the criminal investigation,

Yeah right -initial state of investigation after 8 months .Only simple-minded people with IQ at 0 will believe in such nonsense.What they are doing together with their partners in crime -desperately trying to cover up terrorist act commited by your masters in Kiev while fully aware of the fact-Russia has all the information.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Have a nice day.

I don't even respond, nor read anything you and your kind post.

It's that worthless.

 

[Penguin]

I don't even respond, nor read anything you and your kind post.

It's that worthless.

Hence your response, I suppose?

Go educate yourself on the matter.
Plus educate yourself on the matter how fast all infomation was released of the plan crashed shortly after MH-17.Why is taking so long to release relevant information for MH-17?Apart for covering the terrorist act comitted by Ukraine(ordered by USA) of course.
Voice recording of recently crashed Airbus-already out.Why voice recording of MH-17 still not out?Apart from desire to cover up the crime comitted by Ukraine(ordered by USA) of course.


Yeah right -initial state of investigation after 8 months .Only simple-minded people with IQ at 0 will believe in such nonsense.What they are doing together with their partners in crime -desperately trying to cover up terrorist act commited by your masters in Kiev while fully aware of the fact-Russia has all the information.

I'll compare my PhD for your .... BA/BS anyday.

 

[Hindustani78]

Plane carrying remains of Malaysian Boeing crash victims leaves Kharkiv for Eindhoven
28.03.2015

A plane carrying remains of victims of Malaysian Boeing 777-200, which crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, has left Kharkiv airport for Eindhoven in the Netherlands.

Acting deputy head of Kharkiv regional state administration Vadym Hlushko took part in the mourning service, the administration's press service told a correspondent of Interfax-Ukraine.

The delivery of the human remains has been accompanied by the representatives of the embassies of Australia and of the Netherlands, under supervision of Hans van de Ven, commander of the team's combat unit probing into the MH 17 crash.

Three containers with the human remains are on board.

Meanwhile, plane debris will remain in Kharkiv. Probably they will be delivered to the Netherlands by car.

As reported, the Malaysia Airlines MH17, en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, killing all 298 people on board. Most of the victims were Dutch and Malaysian nationals. The casualties also included citizens of Australia, Indonesia, Germany, Belgium, the Philippines, the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and New Zealand.

 

[Galad]

I'll compare my PhD for your .... BA/BS anyday.

Do it! Meanwhile go educate yourself where is the BUK complex N 312 according to your narrative,West politicians and "experts",entire "truth"loving MSM was used to destroy MH-17.I will even help you(free of charge) and save you hours of web search.BUK is sitting from months at airport next to Kramatorsk.Do i have to tell you who is controlling the town since early summer of 2014?

 

[Hindustani78]

Yeah right -initial state of investigation after 8 months .Only simple-minded people with IQ at 0 will believe in such nonsense.What they are doing together with their partners in crime -desperately trying to cover up terrorist act commited by your masters in Kiev while fully aware of the fact-Russia has all the information.

It took quite a long time to take the debris of the MH17 and even if i remember correctly 3 days back three containers with the human remains left Kharkiv airport for Eindhoven in the Netherlands .


Reuters: Dutch MH17 crash investigation focuses on Russian missile theory - read on - uatoday.tv
The July 17 disaster killed 298 passengers and crew, two-thirds of them Dutch nationals

Dutch prosecutors said on Monday they are looking for witnesses in eastern Ukraine who may have seen a Russian-made BUK rocket being fired at Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, saying this was the 'leading scenario' in their crash investigation.

The Netherlands is heading an international probe into the July 17 disaster, which killed 298 passengers and crew, two-thirds of them Dutch nationals.

Western governments and Kyiv, citing intelligence intercepts, have repeatedly blamed pro-Russian rebels. Moscow has denied this and suggested the plane was hit by a missile fired by a Ukrainian fighter.

Prosecutors said they have gained a 'clearer impression' about the BUK-missile theory - one of four initial scenarios being investigated. They gave no further details.

Identification, friend or foe (IFF) is an identification system designed for command and control. It enables military and national (civilian air traffic control) interrogation systems to identify aircraft, vehicles or forces as friendly and to determine their bearing and range from the interrogator. IFF may be used by both military and civilian aircraft.

ALL commercial airliners have a transponder

A transponder (short-for transmitter-responder and sometimes abbreviated to XPDR, XPNDR, TPDR or TP) is an electronic device that produces a response when it receives a radio-frequency interrogation. Aircraft have transponders to assist in identifying them on air traffic control radar; and collision avoidance systems have been developed to use transponder transmissions as a means of detecting aircraft at risk of colliding with each other.

Technically, the transponder can be switched offf - which is what russian military aircraft sometimes do when they are being a nuisance over the North Sea or Atlantic - but the aircraft remains visible on radar. Reasons you don't want to switch off your transponder is because it a) endangers other air traffic and b) it endangers your own aircraft.


MH370, Day 5: 777 has five radios, two transponders - Leeham News and Comment

Why do airplane transponders have an ‘off’ switch? | New York Post

Preliminary information shows that Ukrainian and Russian ATC surveillance radar identified flight MH17 as a B777-200 at FL330. Analyses of recorded ATC surveillance data is ongoing.

 

[Penguin]

Do it! Meanwhile go educate yourself where is the BUK complex N 312 according to your narrative,West politicians and "experts",entire "truth"loving MSM was used to destroy MH-17.I will even help you(free of charge) and save you hours of web search.BUK is sitting from months at airport next to Kramatorsk.Do i have to tell you who is controlling the town since early summer of 2014?

It is sad, really, to see you respond this way, as if I attacked you in any way. G'day

 

[Galad]

Reuters: Dutch MH17 crash investigation focuses on Russian missile theory - read on - uatoday.tv

Do you even read the nonsense you post here?!What russian missile theory?What BUK-missile theory?From the same BUK(version not in service anymore in Russia) sitting from months at airport next to Kramatorsk.The same town occupied by West -backed Kiev neo-nazis and war-criminals since early summer 2014.

Analyses of recorded ATC surveillance data is ongoing.

Care to explain why all the data for that Algerian plane crashed shortly after MH-17(shot down by Ukraine) and recent Airbus crash was collected,investigated and released just days after both incidents unlike ATC records for MH-17 terrorist act done by Ukraine?Why "analyses" is taking so long?For what kind of reason?

 

[Superboy]

civilian says Dutch journalist lied about he said Buk shot down Boeing