Dutch government refuses to reveal ‘secret deal’ into MH17 crash probe

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In general, the Dutch prosecutor's office is studying four versions: accident, terrorist attack inside the aircraft, from the ground or from the air.

MH-17 crash investigation: Boeing 777 Was Shot Down by a Surface-to-Air Missile - Dutch National Prosecutors Office Primary Lead. - Netherlands, investigation, terrorism, Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines, Buk, Russian Terrorists, MH-17 crash investigation (12.09.14 16:00) « World « News | Censor.NET

 

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A Joint Investigation Team (JIT) is an investigation team set up for a fixed period, based on an agreement between two or more EU Member States and/or competent authorities, for a specific purpose. Non EU Member States may participate in a JIT with the agreement of all other parties.

Joint Investigation Teams (JITs) | Europol

MH17 joint investigation team extended for a further nine months
By ASM on Nov 14, 2014 in Australian Security, National
Member countries of the joint investigation team (JIT) into the downing of MH17 in July have agreed to extend the investigation for another nine months.
The JIT comprises the Netherlands, Ukraine, Australia and Belgium, as well as other international partners including Malaysia.
I reiterated Australia’s commitment to the JIT during high level meetings in the Ukraine this week with the Ukraine’s Deputy Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman, Justice Minister Pavlo Petrenko, Prosecutor General Vitaly Yarema, and the head of the Ukrainian security service Valentyn Nalyvaichenko.
Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Groysman thanked Australia for its commitment, and noted the professionalism and dedication of the Australian Federal Police (AFP) working with the Ukrainian authorities.
The AFP has approximately 35 personnel working in the Ukraine and The Hague as part of the investigation through the JIT.
While member countries have agreed to extend the JIT to August 2015, I emphasised that Australia was determined to work for as long as is required to bring those responsible to justice. I had the opportunity to spend time with AFP officers working in the Ukraine, and thank them for their efforts.
Australia is committed to returning to the crash site. However, the security situation near the crash site remains unstable. Any Australian Government decision to return to the site will be a joint decision with our JIT counterparts if and when it is safe to do so.
Australia continues to encourage the international community to remain focused on finding, prosecuting and punishing the perpetrators of this cowardly attack.
We owe this to the innocent victims of the MH17 tragedy and their families.

MH17 joint investigation team extended for a further nine months - Australian Security Magazine | Australian Security News | Security Products |Asia Pacific Security News : Australian Security Magazine | Australian Security News | Security Products |Asia Pacific Security News

 

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The Downing of Flight MH17: Why is Malaysia Not Part of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT)?
By Chandra Muzaffar
Global Research, November 24, 2014


Why is Malaysia not in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) probing the MH 17 crash of July 17 2014?

Aren’t there guidelines that spell out which parties should constitute the probe team in the event of a disaster of the magnitude of MH 17? As the owner of MH 17 it is logical and sensible that Malaysia is part of the probe. Malaysia has more rights to be in the JIT than some of its present members. One can understand why Ukraine is in the team since that is where the plane was shot from the sky. We can understand the Netherlands’ membership of the JIT since the flight originated from Amsterdam. But why is Belgium in the JIT? Is it because Brussels is the administrative capital of the European Union and the EU may have some aviation responsibilities over commercial flights in the continent? If that is the case, then it is the EU, not Belgium, which should have a place in the team. What about Australia? Is it a member of the probe because a large number of Australians were killed in that tragedy? If that is the consideration, then Malaysia should also be in the JIT since 43 of our citizens were killed, the second largest number after the Dutch, 193 of whom perished in the calamity. Perhaps the Unites States should also be included since Boeing is the manufacturer of the aircraft.

It is alleged that Malaysia has been excluded from the JIT because we have not pointed a finger at Russia as the cause of the MH 17 disaster as the four members of the JIT have done. Malaysia refuses to heap blame on Russia or pro-Russia rebels in Eastern Ukraine, or anyone else for that matter, without hard, incontrovertible evidence. Neither the Ukraine government nor the US Administration has been able to offer such evidence to the public. Comprehensive military data from satellite images of the incident would have convinced a lot of people.

Instead, right from the outset, the Ukraine, the US and a number of their allies have constructed a narrative about how pro-Russia rebels in Eastern Ukraine shot down MH 17 with a Buk system supplied by Russia — a narrative which has been widely disseminated through a biased global media that has raised no questions about the motives behind such an action or who would have benefitted from it. In the meantime, the anger generated by this mass murder in the skies especially in Europe has enabled certain parties to expand and reinforce their economic sanctions against Russia.

Given this situation, Malaysia is absolutely right in adopting a principled position on MH 17 which refrains from condemning any party until all the investigations have been completed. This is why we are insisting upon total access to the crash site to enable investigators to collect all relevant evidence. Malaysia is also demanding that it be given a seat in the JIT.

It is a demand that undoubtedly has the support of the entire nation. One hopes that the UMNO general assembly — the annual meeting of the party that is the backbone of the government — which will take place from 25 to 29 November 2014, adopts a resolution that endorses this demand. Since the Malaysian Parliament is also in session, it should lend its weight to a demand which is at the heart of our integrity and sovereignty as a nation.

Most of all, ours is a just demand. It is just not only because MH 17 is ours. It is just because we have a fair and balanced approach to the tragedy and its probe. We want the entire truth to be known. Our participation in the investigation will at least help to check any attempt to conceal or camouflage the real story behind one of the most heinous crimes in recent times.

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Malaysia is not in JIT. Its all over our paper. Might is right. I don't know what are you trying to pull? Westerners always reinterpreting the rules.

 

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The Downing of Flight MH17: Why is Malaysia Not Part of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT)?
By Chandra Muzaffar
Global Research, November 24, 2014


Why is Malaysia not in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) probing the MH 17 crash of July 17 2014?

Aren’t there guidelines that spell out which parties should constitute the probe team in the event of a disaster of the magnitude of MH 17? As the owner of MH 17 it is logical and sensible that Malaysia is part of the probe. Malaysia has more rights to be in the JIT than some of its present members. One can understand why Ukraine is in the team since that is where the plane was shot from the sky. We can understand the Netherlands’ membership of the JIT since the flight originated from Amsterdam. But why is Belgium in the JIT? Is it because Brussels is the administrative capital of the European Union and the EU may have some aviation responsibilities over commercial flights in the continent? If that is the case, then it is the EU, not Belgium, which should have a place in the team. What about Australia? Is it a member of the probe because a large number of Australians were killed in that tragedy? If that is the consideration, then Malaysia should also be in the JIT since 43 of our citizens were killed, the second largest number after the Dutch, 193 of whom perished in the calamity. Perhaps the Unites States should also be included since Boeing is the manufacturer of the aircraft.

It is alleged that Malaysia has been excluded from the JIT because we have not pointed a finger at Russia as the cause of the MH 17 disaster as the four members of the JIT have done. Malaysia refuses to heap blame on Russia or pro-Russia rebels in Eastern Ukraine, or anyone else for that matter, without hard, incontrovertible evidence. Neither the Ukraine government nor the US Administration has been able to offer such evidence to the public. Comprehensive military data from satellite images of the incident would have convinced a lot of people.

Instead, right from the outset, the Ukraine, the US and a number of their allies have constructed a narrative about how pro-Russia rebels in Eastern Ukraine shot down MH 17 with a Buk system supplied by Russia — a narrative which has been widely disseminated through a biased global media that has raised no questions about the motives behind such an action or who would have benefitted from it. In the meantime, the anger generated by this mass murder in the skies especially in Europe has enabled certain parties to expand and reinforce their economic sanctions against Russia.

Given this situation, Malaysia is absolutely right in adopting a principled position on MH 17 which refrains from condemning any party until all the investigations have been completed. This is why we are insisting upon total access to the crash site to enable investigators to collect all relevant evidence. Malaysia is also demanding that it be given a seat in the JIT.

It is a demand that undoubtedly has the support of the entire nation. One hopes that the UMNO general assembly — the annual meeting of the party that is the backbone of the government — which will take place from 25 to 29 November 2014, adopts a resolution that endorses this demand. Since the Malaysian Parliament is also in session, it should lend its weight to a demand which is at the heart of our integrity and sovereignty as a nation.

Most of all, ours is a just demand. It is just not only because MH 17 is ours. It is just because we have a fair and balanced approach to the tragedy and its probe. We want the entire truth to be known. Our participation in the investigation will at least help to check any attempt to conceal or camouflage the real story behind one of the most heinous crimes in recent times.

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Malaysia is not in JIT. Its all over our paper. Might is right. I don't know what are you trying to pull? Westerners always reinterpreting the rules.

I'm not INTERPRETING anything, as is plain to see, I am posting information on what is a JIT and the rules that govern it. You need to understand the context of the investigation. Malaysia IS part of it. But it is not a EU country. And the JIT is an EU instrument.

Go and feel sorry for yourself, or learn about the institutions involved, you choice. Guideline were given, posted here by me. READ!
Joint Investigation Teams (JITs) | Europol

 

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authorities have reported that the 298 dead include 192 Dutch, 44 Malaysians, 27 Australians, 12 Indonesians, 10 from the U.K., four from Germany, four from Belgium, three from the Philippines, and one Canadian, and one from New Zealand. In a press conference earlier today, President Barack Obama said there was one American citizen on board.

 

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The countries which had passengers aboard the plane shot down Malaysia Airlines, will join forces in the criminal investigation into the circumstances of the air crash. That's Monday decided during a meeting at the European justice organization Eurojust in The Hague. Earlier it was announced that the Dutch Public Prosecutor (OM) an exploratory investigation had begun into the disaster. The prosecutor Thijs Berger of the department of international crimes before traveling to Kiev. The prosecution is coordinating international cooperation.
Although Eurojust is a European organization may also Australia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Canada, New Zealand, Indonesia and the United States just to participate.
Further afield are the UK, Belgium, Germany and Ukraine involved, although that last country nationals were not on board.
Europol Europol
At the concert Monday also extended Europol and Interpol to. Besproken werd hoe de onderzoeken, die op verschillende locaties plaatsvinden, verbreed en versneld kunnen worden. It was discussed how the investigations that take place in different locations, can be broadened and accelerated.
A combined research team will also (JIT) will be created, which will initially focus on the technical and forensic investigation into the disaster area.
The coordination meeting of Monday was an important step, "the Dutch Eurojust representative Han Moral says. It offered prosecutors and investigators from around the world the opportunity to speak to each other personally and to achieve their goals easier: to discover the truth behind this tragedy. "

 

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Malaysia only serve as a mediator with the rebels while had no access to the investigation. You call that a participation in JIT. Then how come our evening news, a dutch ambassador saying Malaysia should be in JIT. It clearly means that we are not in JIT. Since when Australia is an EU country?

 

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Malaysia only serve as a mediator with the rebels while had no access to the investigation. You call that a participation in JIT. Then how come our evening news, a dutch ambassador saying Malaysia should be in JIT. It clearly means that we are not in JIT. Since when Australia is an EU country?

I'm not calling anything anything, I'm pointing you to relevant sources of information so you can inform and educate yourself. I don't have to defend government decisions or agreements.

283 passengers and 15 crew died. The crew were all Malaysian and about two-thirds (68%) of the passengers were Dutch, while many of the other passengers were Australians and Malaysians. Of 298 dead, 193 were Dutch (EU), 43 Malaysian, 27 Australian, 12 Indonesian, 10 British (EU), 4 Belgian (EU), 4 German (EU), 3 Phillippino, 1 Canadian, 1 New Zealand.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is, 211 EU citizens out of 298 on board. Hence, I presume, an EUROPOL JIT. All these EU countries plus Ukraine are members of the OSCE. Malaysia and Australia have the largest non-EU contingents of deaths.

As indicated, a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) is an investigation team set up for a fixed period, based on an agreement between two or more EU Member States and/or competent authorities, for a specific purpose. Non EU Member States may participate in a JIT with the agreement of all other parties. Hence, one can conclude at least one of the EU members or Ukraine or Australia has disagreed on the inclusion of Malaysia....

Malaysia’s Inspector-General of Police (IGP) and the Attorney-General (AG) will head for the Netherlands on December 3 to discuss among others, Malaysia’s role in the team.
Speculation on MH17 is damaging to investigations | Free Malaysia Today

The Downing of Flight MH17: Why is Malaysia Not Part of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT)?

I believe it is as per last Monday

Malaysian Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail told the Malay Mail that the notification of Malaysia’s acceptance into the team from the Dutch National Public Prosecutor’s Office was conveyed through a letter dated November 28.
Malaysia’s Attorney General will shortly travel to The Hague to attend the 3rd Eurojust Coordination Meeting on the criminal investigation, to be held on December 4.

Malaysia joined JIT | Amanah Satu – MalaysiaMalaysia officially joins MH17 investigation — Vietnam Breaking News

 

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The Downing of Flight MH17: Why is Malaysia Not Part of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT)?


I thought it was simple as it was Malasian airlines desicion to fly over the conflict area to save a few bucks on fuel as a contibutor to the disaster you can hardly ask to be part of the jury