Population Origin, for 1 januari 2006, 1 januari 2010, 1 januari 2015, 1 januari 2016
Total populace: 16,334,210; 16,574,989; 16,900,726; 16,980,049 (16-17 million total)
Dutch: 13,186,595; 13,215,386; 13,235,405; 13,226,364 (13 million)
Foreign: 3,147,615; 3,359,603; 3,665,321; 3,753,685 (3-4 million non-Dutch)
of which
Western: 1,427,565; 1,501,309; 1,626,812; 1,656,580 (about 1.4 to 1.7 million Western foreigner)
Non-western: 1,720,050; 1,858,294; 2,038,509; 2,097,105 (about 1.7 to 2.1 million non-Western foreigner)
- Turkey: 364,333; 383,957; 396,555; 397,415
- Morocco: 323,239; 349,005; 380,755; 385,591
- Surinam: 331,890; 342,279; 348,662; 348,903
- (Former) Dutch Antilles and Aruba: 129,683; 138,420; 148,926; 151,016
- All other non-western: 570,905; 644,633; 763,611; 814,180
http://statline.cbs.nl/Statweb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=71090ned&D1=0&D2=0&D3=0&D4=a&D5=0&D6=0,48,108,120&HDR=T,G3,G1&STB=G2,G4,G5&VW=T
Foreign as percent of populace went from 19% in 2006 to 22% in 2016
The ratio of Western versus Non-Western foreigner remained virtually the same (45/55 in 2006 and 44/56 in 20216)
The percent Turks (Muslims) among Non-Western foreigner went
down from 21% in 2006 to 19% in 2016
The percent Moroccan (Muslims) among Non-Western foreigner went
down from 19% in 2006 to 18% in 2016
The percent Surinam (Christian/Hindu) among Non-Western foreigner went
down from 19% in 2006 to 17% in 2016
The percent (Former) Dutch Antilles and Aruba ( (Christian/Hindu)) went
down from 8% in 2006 to 7% in 2016
The percent of ALL OTHER NON WESTERN went up from 33% in 2006 to 39% in 2016
Amoung the latter category you find the people from:
Afghanistan, Iran, and Somalia: 100% Muslim
Iraq: 99% Muslim
Syria: 94% Muslim
Eritrea: 63% Christian, 37% Muslim
Sri Lanka: 70% Buddhist, 14% Hindu, 10% Muslim, 7% Christian
Source:
https://defence.pk/threads/dutch-fa...an-mosques-quran.446139/page-11#ixzz4IfRdgzyi
Growth here (from 570,905 to 814,180 people i.e. +243,275 or +43% ) is 38% of the overall population growth (from 16,334,210 to 16,980,049 people i.e. +645,839 or +4%). It is 40 % of the growth of the foreign population (from 3,147,615 to 3,753,685 people i.e. +606,070 or +19%) and 65% of the growth of the non-western foreign population (from 1,720,050 to 2,097,105 people i.e. +377,055 or +22%).
Of course this rest category also includes non-muslim from non-western countries...
But as an approximation, it is clear that in recent years there has been a shift in the composition and volume of that rest category towards the conflict ridden muslim countries in the Middle East and Africa.
Just as entry point you do know that I am absolutely, a hardcore secularist. ... However, I don't regard Islam as a threat to anybody.
Likewise
I have no idea how old you are but in my 53 years I have seen all sorts of terrorism emanate from across the political spectrum. I have seen some groups reviled like the Irish and then rehabilitated. I have seen some go from heroes of freedom to evil personified - the Muslims.
Same ball park, more or less same experience
I regard Islamism - a mutation of Islam that seeks to leverage political order using religion as vehicle with implied backing of god - as evil. Such mutations have infected other religions, other political streams as much in history and if you are well read then you will be more than aware.You must understand that Islam to a lay observor would appear to be just a branch of the other Abrahamic faiths and largely beats to the same rhythm.
Duely noted.
I don't have time to move forward with this debate right now but I would like to rejoin this when I get the time. I want to look at exactly how, what appear to be intelligent people, get caught in what to me is nothing but rabble rouser working at the lowest common denominator. Slightly better then that other master of fishing in muck - the beer hall putschist from Austria.
Evening.
Wilders sure is a populist. And discriminates. However, I personally would not immediately classify him as rascist (there have been others in recent Dutch political history that are far more deserving of that term). The Parliamentary Documentation Center (Parlementair Documentatie Centrum) of the University of Leiden characterizes the PVV as "populist, with both conservative, liberal, right-wing and left-wing positions". Wilders is good at generating occcasional media attention, but not much else. PVV party has done well in national elections but less so at local and provincial level, where it has has difficulty putting forth (qualified) candidate. The underlying problem is that there is little party apparatus, and what there is run in a highly undemocratic manner. To finance the activities of the PVV, the party relies on private donations. According to Hero Brinkman, the most prominent member to leave the party, the PVV gets most of its finances from certain foreign (American) lobby-groups.
[edit: Wilders today (29th) surprised his party membership with a new election program, which was emailed to them hours before it was made public, so not meant for generating feedback ... /end edit]
