Dubai pardons Norwegian woman accused of adultery

[Awesome]

I got it from op.I agree that in this case the girls claims are dubious, I was talking about genuine cases. in a genuine rape case, forensic evidence confirms that sex happened, but can't confirm whether it's rape or consensual sex, girl has got two adults as eye witness to support her, not not four, what happens then ?

Rapists get jailed all the time here. It is a basic Islamic tradition that was quoted in the OP, but as modern technology has been introduced new methods have been accepted. In courts there is always a basic law, then supportive arguments and then an interpretation of that law in its spirit. The authorities don't go catching consensual sex cases, but once its in the court it will have to be dealt with in accordance to the law.

I wish if Pakistan's own courts at least were as advanced as UAE's. We had a case where semen was found on the rape victim, forensic evidence of rape was there. The semen had a DNA match to the alleged rapist, but the judge let him off saying "no witnesses, no crime".

 

[Pulsar]

This is why Western women and even men shouldn't visit these countries.

And even men? They get raped too? Aw Shucks! That sucks!

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Rapists get jailed all the time here. It is a basic Islamic tradition that was quoted in the OP, but as modern technology has been introduced new methods have been accepted. In courts there is always a basic law, then supportive arguments and then an interpretation of that law in its spirit. The authorities don't go catching consensual sex cases, but once its in the court it will have to be dealt with in accordance to the law.

I wish if Pakistan's own courts at least were as advanced as UAE's. We had a case where semen was found on the rape victim, forensic evidence of rape was there. The semen had a DNA match to the alleged rapist, but the judge let him off saying "no witnesses, no crime".

you avoided direct answer to my situational question, that means if forensic evidences can't confirm whether it's rape or consensual sex then.
1) testimony for four adults is accepted by court.
2) testimony of two or three adults is not enough to prove a rape hence the girl goes to jail.
prove me wrong, if that's not the case.

btw if i am not wrong pak courts considers forensic evidence, it's just that pak has not enough tech or expertise in collecting forensic evidence, the process is just started and it will take time.

 

[MooshMoosh]

The woman must've wore some wh*rlish clothing, you know when you dress like a wh*ore you'll either get raped, be stared, harassed, cheat or flirt. So, the blame goes to her for making the wolves hungry.

 

[Ayush]

The woman must've wore some wh*rlish clothing, you know when you dress like a wh*ore you'll either get raped, be stared, harassed, cheat or flirt. So, the blame goes to her for making the wolves hungry.

hehe,so you are a wolf?? and all the girls who wear short dresses are wh0rish and deserved to be raped eh??

enjoy your stay in australia..

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

The woman must've wore some wh*rlish clothing, you know when you dress like a wh*ore you'll either get raped, be stared, harassed, cheat or flirt. So, the blame goes to her for making the wolves hungry.

There must be a law which says, if a women who wear anything other than burqa get's raped she must be punished with rigorous imprisonment.

rapist should be let off without any punishment since he is tempted and dragged in to raping the women by her evil dressing.
if he complaints about the girl for that and asks a compensation from girl that must also be allowed. case closed.

 

[Tanja]

July 21, 2013

The Dubai Misdemeanour Court handed Marte Deborah Dalelv, a three-month imprisonment for falsely reporting to police that she was raped, a month’s imprisonment for drinking and 12 months for having consensual sex.



Norwegian woman Marte Deborah Dalelv jailed for having consensual sex with boss

Handed 16 months in jail for false report, drinking and having consensual sex

A Norwegian woman has been sentenced to 16 months in jail for getting drunk and having consensual sex with her boss, whom she claimed raped her in his hotel room.

The Dubai Misdemeanour Court handed the 24-year-old Norwegian, Marte Deborah Dalelv, a three-month imprisonment for falsely reporting to police that she was raped, a month’s imprisonment for drinking and 12 months for having consensual sex.

Dalelv ’s 33-year-old Sudanese boss, H.A., was jailed for 13 months for consuming liquor and having consensual sex.

When the woman appeared in courtroom nine, she admitted to drinking alcohol. She denied having consensual sex and falsely reporting to police that she was raped on March 6.

She said H.A. had sex with her against her will while she slept on his bed.

Dubai Police’s forensic report confirmed that the woman had sex but there was no mention of any physical violence.

The Sudanese, who came to Dubai with Dalelv on a business visit from Qatar, pleaded guilty and confessed to having consensual sex.

Dalelv’s advocate Mahmoud Azab Abu Gareda told Gulf News on Sunday that they had already appealed the primary verdict. The first appellate hearing is scheduled for September 5.

Prosecution records quoted the woman admitting that she had consensual sex with H.A.

She said they left the nightclub where they were drinking, according to her prosecution statement, at 3am and went to the hotel where they were staying near Safa Park.

Dalelv claimed to prosecutors that H.A. suggested that she sleep in his room to wake up for an early business meeting.

The woman undressed and slept in her underwear on the bed while the Sudanese slept on the couch for a while before he moved to a bed beside her, she claimed.

Prosecution records cited Dalelv admitting that she initiated the sexual activity with H.A. and he responded.

When asked by the investigating prosecutor why she reported to the police that she was raped, the Norwegian claimed it was because she was under the influence of liquor.

Meanwhile police records said Dalelv informed police that H.A. had sex with her against her will.

She alleged to police interrogators that after she jumped into bed in her underwear, her boss slept on the couch.

The woman claimed she was sleeping when she woke up in pain and realized that H.A. was having sex with her. She claimed that she asked him to stop repeatedly and attempted to push him away.

When the case appeared in court, advocate Abu Gareda asked the court to dismiss his client’s consensual sex charge and giving a false statement to the police.

“This was a rape case. My client did not allow H.A. to have sex with her. She woke up suddenly in the morning in pain when the other defendant was having sex with her. She asked him to stop and tried to push him away. She slept in his room because H.A. had suggested that she do so to wake her up around 7am for a business meeting. Defence witnesses confirmed that Dalelv reported to police first that she was raped… later she was advised to claim that they had consensual sex to get a reduced sentence,” argued advocate Abu Gareda.

“According to the forensic examiner’s testimony before the court, she did not completely eliminate the probability of rape claiming that Dalelv could have been raped while she slept. Although the forensic report did not confirm any rape, the examiner’s probability matched my client’s claim that H.A. raped her while she slept. We also asked the court to refer the case to the public prosecution for a re-investigation into Dalelv ’s rape claims,” argued the advocate.

Abu Gareda told Gulf News that he will adopt the same defence argument before the Appeal Court when it convenes in September.

Norwegian woman Marte Deborah Dalelv jailed for having consensual sex with boss | GulfNews.com

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July 21, 2013

Marte Deborah Dalelv initially told authorities she had consensual sex

As soon as this is over I just want to go home to Norway, she says

Marte Deborah Dalelv maintains that she was raped. But new details have emerged from an interview with Gulf News, where Dalelv revealed she initially told authorities she had had consensual sex.

The Norwegian, who lived and worked as an interior designer in Qatar, was on a business trip to Dubai in March. Having gone out for drinks with her colleagues, she says one of her co-workers, an Arab man, raped her that same evening. She then contacted the reception to call the police, and says she was asked by the receptionist at the front desk if she was sure she wanted to get the police involved. After a lengthy court case, both Dalelv and the Arab man were found guilty last week of having sex outside of marriage.

But Dalelv – who’s now camped up in the Norwegian Seamen’s Centre in Oud Metha – says she is going to appeal the case. Speaking to Gulf News, she says she was encouraged by her former boss early on after the incident to tell authorities that the sex was consensual, and not rape. He allegedly told her it would lead to a quicker resolution of the case and that it wouldn’t go to court. “At that point, I didn’t want to go to court. I just wanted to go home, so I took that advice. And that’s the biggest mistake I’ve ever made.”

The case did go to court, and that’s when Dalelv changed her story back to her original statement, claiming she was raped. “I can’t blame anyone else here but me, because nobody forced me to say it. I just wish I hadn’t taken that advice.” She’s now trying to challenge the case and has lodged a formal appeal. “I’m going to stay and fight this. I know I haven’t done anything wrong,” Dalelv says.

The court has set a date of September 5 for her appeal hearing to start. In the meanwhile, Dalelv says she will stay in the Seamen’s Centre – rather than seek refuge in the Norwegian Embassy or Consulate. “I won’t go to the Embassy, because that would be hiding. I don’t want to do that as I believe I have no need to hide.”

Dalelv says she is not expecting diplomatic pressure to influence her appeal. “I understand that it’s a matter for the UAE courts to decide. Just as you wouldn’t expect the UAE to get involved in a Norwegian court case, that’s something countries cannot do.”

Even though she has been sentenced, she has told Gulf News the police are not actively pursuing her arrest, and that she plans on staying at the Seamen’s Centre for now, but “as soon as this is over, I just want to go home to Norway.”

Marte Deborah Dalelv initially told authorities she had consensual sex | GulfNews.com

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July 21, 2013

Dubai verdict: Marte Deborah Dalelv’s employer offers her assistance

Company says she was fired because she stopped communicating

The former company of a Norwegian woman sentenced to a 16-month prison term in Dubai for having sex outside marriage expressed their sympathy for her and offered assistance should she need it.

Marte Deborah Dalelv, 24, was in Dubai in March on a business trip representing Doha-based Al Mana Interiors. The Norwegian interior designer complained to police that a co-worker had sexually assaulted her.

Police charged Dalelv with having sex outside marriage, drinking alcohol, and perjury. She was sentenced to 16 months in prison last Tuesday but she said she is appealing the decision.

“We are sympathetic to Marte Dalelv during this very difficult situation. Al Mana Interiors has repeatedly offered Marte support and company representatives were by her side throughout the initial investigation and police interviews, and spent days at both the police station and the prosecutor’s office to help win her release,” Hani El Korek, spokesperson for Al Mana Interiors, said in a statement on Sunday.

El Korek said company representatives have been supportive and have been in talks with Dalelv throughout her ordeal. El Korek stressed the company terminated her services in April when she stopped communicating with them, not because of the alleged rape allegations.

“Only when Ms Dalelv declined to have positive and constructive discussions about her employment status, and ceased communication with her employer was the company forced to end our relationship with her. The decision had nothing to do with the rape allegation,” El Korek said.

While no one from Dalelv’s side has so far contacted the company to discuss her employment status, El Korek said they are still willing to extend help when needed.

“We continue to be open to helping Ms Dalelv and extending her resources during the Dubai legal process. We are hopeful that we can resume a positive discussion about the assistance she needs during this difficult time.”

Dubai verdict: Marte Deborah Dalelv

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I tried to call everyone who replied on this thread. Please read it completely and tell what do you think now?

Yeah she should go back to Norway because the stupidity here is too damn high.

 

[Awesome]

you avoided direct answer to my situational question, that means if forensic evidences can't confirm whether it's rape or consensual sex then.
1) testimony for four adults is accepted by court.
2) testimony of two or three adults is not enough to prove a rape hence the girl goes to jail.
prove me wrong, if that's not the case.

btw if i am not wrong pak courts considers forensic evidence, it's just that pak has not enough tech or expertise in collecting forensic evidence, the process is just started and it will take time.

It's actually the other way round.

If witnesses (the number is disputed) cannot be found then other methods may be applied. The severity of the punishment varies based upon the strength of the evidence. However rapists don't go off free when there is evidence and victims don't go to jail.

However forensic evidence would prove that she has had sex and no evidence exists that she was forced and if she's not married then she had sex out of wed lock and that carries its own punishment. In which case the perpetrator would also be punished along with the alleged victim since according to the evidence it would seem like they both just had consensual sex. At this point the perpetrator would also confess to consensual sex.

 

[Al Bhatti]

All the news alerts from the "free" western media are reporting in bold headlines "Norwegian woman arrested in Dubai after reporting rape" and not reporting that she changed her statement from being raped to having consensual sex and hence the punishment.

 

[Silverblaze]

All the news alerts from the "free" western media are reporting in bold headlines "Norwegian woman arrested in Dubai after reporting rape" and not reporting that she changed her statement from being raped to having consensual sex and hence the punishment.

So whats surprising?

This is what I referred to in some earlier comments. 60 people are killed in Chicago and it makes some news in evening broadcast and but muslim bashing 24/7.

On the other hand, it also gives UAE a chance to improve its justice system as there have been incidents like these.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

It's actually the other way round.

If witnesses (the number is disputed) cannot be found then other methods may be applied.

what are the disputed number ?
In case of no witness other method is forensic, or other situational evidence right ? And I asked exactly that, what if forensic can't confirm whether it's rape or consensual sex ?
Absence of eye witness is one thing and Absence of not enough numbers of eye witness is another thing right ?

The severity of the punishment varies based upon the strength of the evidence.

that's common everywhere.

However rapists don't go off free when there is evidence and victims don't go to jail.

question is stringent clauses attached in law to consider something as evidence case in point number for eye witness.

However forensic evidence would prove that she has had sex and no evidence exists that she was forced

This is the tricky point.
A)forensic evidence suggests that she had sex.
B) But can't confirm whether it's consensual or forced, that means it only proves that she had sex, it doesn't prove that she had it by consent.
C) Now look at the law which dictates the number for eyewitness in order to accept it as enough evidence.women is at clear disadvantage, isn't she ?
D) she goes to jail if she failed to produce 4 witness to support her. what an illogical law.

and if she's not married then she had sex out of wed lock and that carries its own punishment. In which case the perpetrator would also be punished along with the alleged victim since according to the evidence it would seem like they both just had consensual sex. At this point the perpetrator would also confess to consensual sex.

What are the punishment for men and women ?

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

In short, she lied to the authority about what took place. Diverting the story from been a victim of rape, to have a consensual sex, while she was under the influence of alcohol!!!

Pathetic

 

[Hussein]

she was interviewed in French media . it was in the main channel yesterday night.
disgusting.

now trying to say she was lying , is pathetic.

Europe should take strong actions. And make her come back to her country.

 

[Tshering22]

The woman must've wore some wh*rlish clothing, you know when you dress like a wh*ore you'll either get raped, be stared, harassed, cheat or flirt. So, the blame goes to her for making the wolves hungry.

So that means if someone finds you stupid according to his opinion, then he has the right to kick your head?

Come on dude, our perceptions about others are ours unless unilaterally attacked.

You're trying to say that all men have no self-control if women dress provocatively.


So let's get this right; you're saying men have no control over themselves?


And on the other hand you call for control and prohibition of alcohol?


Hypocrisy at its best.

 

[Hussein]

my friend, it is the same hypocrisy that forces women to wear scarf or worst burqa to help men control themselves

but if a guy is raping a girl, the girl is not only in jail for relation without mariage
but if she was local, she would hardly find a husband .

backward mentality