Drone Strike Packages and Feasible Options for PAF

[Zarvan]

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UCAV under project Azm:

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Hope fully our MALE UAV will have capacity to carry at least 6 bombs and missiles in a single mission

 

[HRK]

You need to build your own....

already under development would be something similar to this

I could be wrong but most probably the below attached pic showing construction of Fuselage of prototype of MALE UAV

 

[Phantom.]

already under development would something similar to this
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I could be wrong but most probably the below attached pic showing construction of Fuselage of prototype of MALE UAV
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Any idea on the numbers of burraq??

 

[Zarvan]

already under development would something similar to this
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I could be wrong but most probably the below attached pic showing construction of Fuselage of prototype of MALE UAV
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Taiwan showcased its last year. This size beast with 6 hardpoints out of which 3 hard points having dual rack should be build by us. It would be a monster

 

[HRK]

Quite a few than... Just as an example, Turkey possess more than 150 UCAVs...
Numbers are needed for swarm strikes.

official figure were never release it was just one time that 1 pic of a single squadrone was shown that too many years ago [approximately 5 years back] but we can assume there are many

Any idea on the numbers of burraq??

nope ...

 

[PanzerKiel]

Any idea on the numbers of burraq??

Wait for third and final quarter of this year for something which everyone has been asking for.

Let's wait for it.

 

[Syed1.]

already under development would something be similar to this
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I could be wrong but most probably the below attached pic showing construction of Fuselage of prototype of MALE UAV
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Need these in large numbers.... I'm talking 250-400 to swarm enemy bases/cities.. also need to raise a dedicated branch of PAF pilots for drone warfare. These could be retired pilots or those who cannot fly any more due to health reasons.

 

[HRK]

Need these in large numbers.... I'm talking 250-400 to swarm enemy bases/cities.. also need to raise a dedicated branch of PAF pilots for drone warfare. These could be retired pilots or those who cannot fly any more due to health reasons.

or teens who are good at playing online video games ....

 

[Zarvan]

or teens how are good to play online video games ....

What we need is large MALE UAV which I have shown above taking out militants plus if needed in case of Indian misadventure taking out Indian bases close to LOC and ammo depots plus keeping eye on our waters in Arabian sea

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Need these in large numbers.... I'm talking 250-400 to swarm enemy bases/cities.. also need to raise a dedicated branch of PAF pilots for drone warfare. These could be retired pilots or those who cannot fly any more due to health reasons.

Looking at the one jig piece at PAC, I don't think our public enterprises can stomach that capacity. This is where having the private sector looped in essential, but alas, I'm sure our decision makers will look outside, again, and again, and again. Help others, not our own, but call our own lazy, useless, etc.

However, if the armed forces say they need 400 drones, and will commit to long-term orders, then the private sector will invest. No reason why we can't have our own Bayraktar, etc.

 

[JamD]

Wait for third and final quarter of this year for something which everyone has been asking for.

Let's wait for it.

I hope it isn't another purchase. I am team Shahpar for personal reasons lol.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Looking at the one jig piece at PAC, I don't think our public enterprises can stomach that capacity. This is where having the private sector looped in essential, but alas, I'm sure our decision makers will look outside, again, and again, and again. Help others, not our own, but call our own lazy, useless, etc.

However, if the armed forces say they need 400 drones, and will commit to long-term orders, then the private sector will invest. No reason why we can't have our own Bayraktar, etc.

What became of the passenger plane program?

 

[JamD]

Looking at the one jig piece at PAC, I don't think our public enterprises can stomach that capacity. This is where having the private sector looped in essential, but alas, I'm sure our decision makers will look outside, again, and again, and again. Help others, not our own, but call our own lazy, useless, etc.

However, if the armed forces say they need 400 drones, and will commit to long-term orders, then the private sector will invest. No reason why we can't have our own Bayraktar, etc.

There's too much vertical integration in our military sector (obviously). They do everything themselves. The downside of trying to loop-in the private sector is that it'll be slow and painful to start. Probably simpler for them to use their idle capacity to make these things.

On a loosely related note: All these posts on PDF that go like "In my opinion Pakistan needs to get JH-7/WingLoong/J-16/FC-31/J-20/Griper/Eurofighter/" ad nauseam are basically following the Indian school of thought on military procurement: buy the shiniest toy with little thought about integration, cost, maintenance, supply-chains. The less sexier option is often the more practical one. In the case of UAVs only super-rich countries can afford to rely on foreign programs simply because of the numbers needed and their associated supply-chains. UAV programs HAVE to be local simply because of the numbers that need to be inducted (for effectiveness) and to ensure solid supply-chains of parts.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

There's too much vertical integration in our military sector (obviously). They do everything themselves. The downside of trying to loop-in the private sector is that it'll be slow and painful to start. Probably simpler for them to use their idle capacity to make these things.

On a loosely related note: All these posts on PDF that go like "In my opinion Pakistan needs to get JH-7/WingLoong/J-16/FC-31/J-20/Griper/Eurofighter/" ad nauseam are basically following the Indian school of thought on military procurement: buy the shiniest toy with little thought about integration, cost, maintenance, supply-chains. The less sexier option is often the more practical one. In the case of UAVs only super-rich countries can afford to rely on foreign programs simply because of the numbers needed and their associated supply-chains. UAV programs HAVE to be local simply because of the numbers that need to be inducted (for effectiveness) and to ensure solid supply-chains of parts.

Yep. Not to mention the woefully limited production run of the Burraq / CH-3A line, we're generally topping off at 20-30 systems for each type it seems.

Basically, there doesn't seem to be a cohesive drone program, and as such, Turkey and India have leapfrogged us in this regard, though we did have a private sector (e.g., ID) capable of the work if provided the policy, openness, etc.

It's not so much that our decision makers dropped the ball on what was already there, which is bad, but they've (at least from what we can see) arrogantly scoffed at others inviting them to partner/collaborate too (e.g., Turkey, South Africa, Ukraine, etc).

I hear the excuse, "well US pressure," but then the others (Turks, South Africans, etc) keep saying they want to work with us. So, someone's clearly lying, and I'm not sure if it's the ones who are actually progressing in the work...

 

[JamD]

Yep. Not to mention the woefully limited production run of the Burraq / CH-3A line, we're generally topping off at 20-30 systems for each type it seems.

Basically, there doesn't seem to be a cohesive drone program, and as such, Turkey and India have leapfrogged us in this regard, though we did have a private sector (e.g., ID) capable of the work if provided the policy, openness, etc.

It's not so much that our decision makers dropped the ball on what was already there, which is bad, but they've (at least from what we can see) arrogantly scoffed at others inviting them to partner/collaborate too (e.g., Turkey, South Africa, Ukraine, etc).

I hear the excuse, "well US pressure," but then the others (Turks, South Africans, etc) keep saying they want to work with us. So, someone's clearly lying, and I'm not sure if it's the ones who are actually progressing in the work...

I heard some positive things about how far advanced the induction of the Shahpar was ~5 years ago but I don't know the current status of that program. I want to rely on a "secret" defence of my argument (saying more systems must have been produced and inducted since then) but I know how weak that is. And it is also equally likely (at least from my perspective) that the program died a slow painful death.

Yep. Not to mention the woefully limited production run of the Burraq / CH-3A line, we're generally topping off at 20-30 systems for each type it seems.

Basically, there doesn't seem to be a cohesive drone program, and as such, Turkey and India have leapfrogged us in this regard, though we did have a private sector (e.g., ID) capable of the work if provided the policy, openness, etc.

It's not so much that our decision makers dropped the ball on what was already there, which is bad, but they've (at least from what we can see) arrogantly scoffed at others inviting them to partner/collaborate too (e.g., Turkey, South Africa, Ukraine, etc).

I hear the excuse, "well US pressure," but then the others (Turks, South Africans, etc) keep saying they want to work with us. So, someone's clearly lying, and I'm not sure if it's the ones who are actually progressing in the work...

I think there needs to be a discussion on how exactly to "jumpstart" a private sector. Frankly, I have zero idea how to do this but perhaps a discussion can help.