Drinking liqour is not Haram - Federal Shariat Court

[sur]

1) No alcohol, ever - probably a good choice in life

2) Glass of beer or wine with a meal - no problems, potential health benefits, still under debate

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3) getting ripped, blotto'd, smashed, trashed - haram

How about making intoxication haram? And what about smoking? Smoking is just as bad, if not worse, than alcohol.

Those benefits attributed to small-amounts of Red-wine etc are actually anti-Oxident benefits, & NOT because of alcohol part of it...
Those anti-Oxident benefits can be had even better by ingesting red-grapes instead of red-wine...
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As to third point...
& as answer to that ruling given in OP... beating is NOT un-islamic... thou one can argue whether beating could be with "lashes" or not

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 38 :: Hadith 509
Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:

When An-Nuaman or his son was brought in a state of drunkenness, Allah's Apostle ordered all those who were present in the house to beat him. I was one of those who beat him. We beat him with shoes and palm-leaf stalks.

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 765
Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:

An-Nu'man or the son of An-Nu'man was brought to the Prophet on a charge of drunkenness. So the Prophet ordered all the men present in the house, to beat him. So all of them beat him, and I was also one of them who beat him with shoes.


Abu-Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4474
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Azhar:

I saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) on the morning of the conquest of Mecca when I was a young boy. He was walking among the people, seeking the camp of Khalid ibn al-Walid. A man who had drunk wine was brought (before him) and he ordered them (to beat him). So they beat him with what they had in their hands. Some struck him with whips, some with sticks and some with sandals. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) threw some dust on his face.

When a man who had drunk wine was brought before AbuBakr, he asked them (i.e. the people) about the number of beatings which they gave him. They numbered it forty. So AbuBakr gave him forty lashes.

When Umar came to power, Khalid ibn al-Walid wrote to him: The people have become addicted to drinking wine and they look down upon the prescribed punishment and its penalty.

He said: They are with you, ask them. The immigrants who embraced Islam in the beginning were with him. He asked them and they agreed on the fact that (a drunkard) should be given eighty lashes.

Ali said: When a man drinks wine, he tells lies. I, therefore, think that he should be prescribed punishment that is prescribed for telling lies..


Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 770
Narrated As-Sa'ib bin Yazid:

We used to strike the drunks with our hands, shoes, clothes (by twisting it into the shape of lashes) during the lifetime of the Prophet, Abu Bakr and the early part of 'Umar's caliphate. But during the last period of 'Umar's caliphate, he used to give the drunk forty lashes; and when drunks became mischievous and disobedient, he used to scourge them eighty lashes.

Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 104
Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah observed: The fornicator who fornicates is not a believer so long as he commits it and no thief who steals is a believer as long as he commits theft, and no drunkard who drinks wine is a believer as long as he drinks it. 'Abdul-Malik b. Abi Bakr' narrated this on the authority of Abu Bakr b. Abdur-Rahman b. Harith and then said: Abu Huraira made this addition: No plunderer who plunders a valuable thing that attracts the attention of people is a believer so long as he commits this act.

BUT beating should NOT be so much for person to die...
Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4232
Ali reported: If I impose Hadd on anyone, and he (in course of punish ment) dies, I would not mind except in case of a drunkard. If he dies. I would pay indemnity for him because the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has laid down no rule for it.

 

[kingkobra]

^Suicide is a crime? What is the usual punishment awarded?!

its a crime if one fails to die..

 

[Karachiite]

Its about time to legalize it.

 

[sur]

^Suicide is a crime? What is the usual punishment awarded?!

No-Tresspassing of paradise...

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 445
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:

The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 446
Narrated Abu Huraira-:

The Prophet said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire."

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 73
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:

(who was one of the companions who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet underneath the tree (Al-Hudaibiya)) Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever swears by a religion other than Islam (i.e. if somebody swears by saying that he is a non-Muslim e.g., a Jew or a Christian, etc.) in case he is telling a lie, he is really so if his oath is false, and a person is not bound to fulfill a vow about a thing which he does not possess. And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection; And if somebody curses a believer, then his sin will be as if he murdered him; And whoever accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief), then it is as if he killed him."

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 78 :: Hadith 647
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:

The Prophet said, "Whoever swears by a religion other than Islam, is, as he says; and whoever commits suicide with something, will be punished with the same thing in the (Hell) Fire; and cursing a believer is like murdering him; and whoever accuses a believer of disbelief, then it is as if he had killed him."


Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 297
Narrated Abu Huraira:

We were in the company of Allah's Apostle in a Ghazwa, and he remarked about a man who claimed to be a Muslim, saying, "This (man) is from the people of the (Hell) Fire." When the battle started, the man fought violently till he got wounded. Somebody said, "O Allah's Apostle! The man whom you described as being from the people of the (Hell) Fire fought violently today and died." The Prophet said, "He will go to the (Hell) Fire." Some people were on the point of doubting (the truth of what the Prophet had said) while they were in this state, suddenly someone said that he was still alive but severely wounded. When night fell, he lost patience and committed suicide. The Prophet was informed of that, and he said, "Allah is Greater! I testify that I am Allah's Slave and His Apostle." Then he ordered Bilal to announce amongst the people: 'None will enter Paradise but a Muslim, and Allah may support this religion (i.e. Islam) even with a disobedient man.'

 

[Imran Khan]

Smoking is actually worse than drinking.

yes thats what i always say smoking make you sick and drinking bring you back hahahaha\

 

[Imran Khan]

its a crime if one fails to die..

he should try seriously otherwise he fail shot on your head there will be no chance for failure lolz

 

[sur]

...Smoking is just as bad, if not worse, than alcohol.

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yes thats what i always say smoking make you sick and drinking bring you back hahahaha\

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No smoking is NOT just as bad...

Smoking is hurtful for ur person mostly,,, drinking mostly hurts society other than ur person ,,, Rapes & driving accidents & murders ... individual cases don't count, rather we have to look at statistical data. Watch western local channels, every day ppl die from alcohol related incidences...

 

[Imran Khan]

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No smoking is NOT just as bad...

Smoking is hurtful for ur person mostly,,, drinking hurts society other than ur person, mostly,,, Rapes & driving accidents & murders

11 saal main hum ne to na kisi ko hurt kiya na RAPE ki juraat hoi hahahah kam per jaty thy hafty main 2-3 bar 4 pag laga ker so jaty

 

[Jango]

were they under the influence of alcohol????,,,,i think the title has benn misdirecting, lashing for drinking is haraam, not alcohol is halal.

 

[Evil Flare]

any thing which causes humans to loose his mental state is Haram

 

[Bilal Akhtar]

i wish i had never started this but due to peer pressure i fell in the trap,15 years took its toll now im a patient of liver cirrhosis the damage and fibrosis is irreversible why dint ayone tell me its haram back then i regret everything

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

^BA, I hope Allaah gives you recovery in health.

 

[nescafe]

Those benefits attributed to small-amounts of Red-wime etc are actually anti-Oxident benefits, & NOT because of alcohol part of it...
Those anti-Oxident benefits can be had even better by ingesting red-grapes instead of red-wine...
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As to third point...
& as answer to that ruling given in OP... beating is NOT un-islamic... thou one can argue whether beating could be with "lsahes" or not

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 38 :: Hadith 509
Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:

When An-Nuaman or his son was brought in a state of drunkenness, Allah's Apostle ordered all those who were present in the house to beat him. I was one of those who beat him. We beat him with shoes and palm-leaf stalks.

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 765
Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:

An-Nu'man or the son of An-Nu'man was brought to the Prophet on a charge of drunkenness. So the Prophet ordered all the men present in the house, to beat him. So all of them beat him, and I was also one of them who beat him with shoes.


Abu-Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4474
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Azhar:

I saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) on the morning of the conquest of Mecca when I was a young boy. He was walking among the people, seeking the camp of Khalid ibn al-Walid. A man who had drunk wine was brought (before him) and he ordered them (to beat him). So they beat him with what they had in their hands. Some struck him with whips, some with sticks and some with sandals. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) threw some dust on his face.

When a man who had drunk wine was brought before AbuBakr, he asked them (i.e. the people) about the number of beatings which they gave him. They numbered it forty. So AbuBakr gave him forty lashes.

When Umar came to power, Khalid ibn al-Walid wrote to him: The people have become addicted to drinking wine and they look down upon the prescribed punishment and its penalty.

He said: They are with you, ask them. The immigrants who embraced Islam in the beginning were with him. He asked them and they agreed on the fact that (a drunkard) should be given eighty lashes.

Ali said: When a man drinks wine, he tells lies. I, therefore, think that he should be prescribed punishment that is prescribed for telling lies..


Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 770
Narrated As-Sa'ib bin Yazid:

We used to strike the drunks with our hands, shoes, clothes (by twisting it into the shape of lashes) during the lifetime of the Prophet, Abu Bakr and the early part of 'Umar's caliphate. But during the last period of 'Umar's caliphate, he used to give the drunk forty lashes; and when drunks became mischievous and disobedient, he used to scourge them eighty lashes.

Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 104
Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah observed: The fornicator who fornicates is not a believer so long as he commits it and no thief who steals is a believer as long as he commits theft, and no drunkard who drinks wine is a believer as long as he drinks it. 'Abdul-Malik b. Abi Bakr' narrated this on the authority of Abu Bakr b. Abdur-Rahman b. Harith and then said: Abu Huraira made this addition: No plunderer who plunders a valuable thing that attracts the attention of people is a believer so long as he commits this act.

BUT beating should NOT be so much for person to die...
Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4232
Ali reported: If I impose Hadd on anyone, and he (in course of punish ment) dies, I would not mind except in case of a drunkard. If he dies. I would pay indemnity for him because the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has laid down no rule for it.

i was about to do that, but you prepared the answer in such a nice way. thanks... and thumbs up for you.

 

[VCheng]

i was about to do that, but you prepared the answer in such a nice way. thanks... and thumbs up for you.

So were these excellent and pertinent references not presented before the Federal Shariat Court, if not in their knowledge already?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Given this judgement, what is the legal position now.

Can you drink or can you not?

Can foreigners drink and if so where can they do so and is there any restrictions?