Dreaming of Kashmir? Worry about Karachi...

[Emmie]

I didn't speak on your behalf. I was expressing my opinion. Let me know if I should not express my opinion, as a mod I guess you should be able to guide me

To have an opinion one must know things in their entirety, without proper knowledge opinion sounds more a boo boo and less an opinion.

Let me know what exactly you want to know, luckily I am from Karachi.

 

[Malik Usman]

They are like Dog's tale you put in the pipe for hundred years and it never come straight............same like this whenever Indians see any chance they don't miss to open their mouths against Pakistan and spread their dirty mind thinking.....

 

[ito]

To have an opinion one must know things in their entirety, without proper knowledge opinion sounds more a boo boo and less an opinion.

Let me know what exactly you want to know, luckily I am from Karachi.

Ok, why are rallies being held by Mohajirs? What are they against? As far as I know the biggest sacrifices that anyone made in forming Pakistan are Mohajirs.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Sad state of affairs for Mohajirs. It is irony that because of Mohajirs, Pakistan was formed and here they are persecuted.

Not being persecuted at all; most Mohajirs are infact against MQM. Our own Prime Minister is a Mohajir and our elite consist of the Mohajir. Even I am Mohajir.

MQM is an extremely sectarian group that was responsible for the massacre of 100 Pashtuns in the 2010 Karachi riots. They can be described as the KKK; although the KKK is made up of white people they do not represent white people.

Only Indians would sympathize with them, as it's in their national interests.

MQM is a crime mafia; just go to Karachi and say anything bad about them - you'll be target killed within 48 hours. Not too while ago; Amjad Sabri was assassinated by people linked with MQM.

I'm glad the rangers are making progress against them.

It may be a joke to you, but it is not. The violence in Karachi is the last 10 years should have given you a clue, but it did not. So I don't expect that my writing on Karachi will make any difference.



Calling some on PDF and asking for confirmation shows your immaturity. See the OP, there is a problem, if not there would not have been rallies by Mohajirs.

Bhai... there are anti-Indian rallies held by Sikh diaspora all the time. Does that mean that Sikhs in India are being persecuted? Please stop being a hypocrite.

 

[ito]

Yeah th.violence is highly political in nature google Saulat Mirza,Uzair Baloch also many criminal elements take advantage of bad police structure in Karachi they even create no go areas in certain areas google Baba Ladla
Rangers have brought things under control byt those who saw their gravy train destroyed are now claiming victom status
hey are asking rangers to release El Capone type criminals in past certain thugs from rival parties even drilled holes into skulls of their rivals those same folks are now crying about operation

It is like Indians blaming everything on Hafiz seed for the recent unrest in Kashmir. There is no denying that some sections of Kashmiris are unhappy with Indian government.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Don't how serious violence against Mujahirs is in Karachi

However the terror situation in overall Sindh seem far worse than Kashmir

For 2015 civilian fatalities from terrorism
Sindh:350
Kashmir: 20

The civilian fatalities is in the ratio: 1:17

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/fatilities_regionwise.htm

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/jandk/data_sheets/annual_casualties.htm

As per an American diplomat's observation in wikileaks, both Southern Punjab and Sindh were hubs for extremist recruitment for groups like LET and JEM. Not surprisingly groups like LEJ and TTP compete for recruits here.

The requirement here was to have military operations against militants same as those in FATA and KPK, however the political situation does allow such major military operations.

 

[Zibago]

It is like Indians blaming everything on Hafiz seed for the recent unrest in Kashmir. There is no denying that some sections of Kashmiris are unhappy with Indian government.

We didnt blame a single party criminals from all parties were arrested an ex minister of PPP is in jail

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Don't how serious violence against Mujahirs is in Karachi

However the terror situation in overall Sindh seem far worse than Kashmir

For 2015 civilian fatalities from terrorism
Sindh:350
Kashmir: 20

The civilian fatalities is in the ratio: 1:17

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/fatilities_regionwise.htm

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/jandk/data_sheets/annual_casualties.htm

As per an American diplomat's observation in wikileaks, both Southern Punjab and Sindh were hubs for extremist recruitment for groups like LET and JEM. Not surprisingly groups like LEJ and TTP compete for recruits here.

The requirement here was to have military operations against militants same as those in FATA and KPK, however the political situation does allow such major military operations.

Reason for that is because Sindh hosts one of the largest Afghan refugee populations (mostly undocumented) in Pakistan. Refugee areas in Sindh are breeding ground for terrorists.

Most of these fatalities shouldn't really be categorized as 'terrorism' even though our government does.

They are mostly politically inspired target killing and assassinations.

 

[shah1398]

Such articles and programs in Indian media indicates only one thing that they are really nervous these days because of things happening in Kashmir. On one occasions they are beating about so called persecution of Balochs, while on the other hand their goes out for people of Karachi. Pakistan has not yet even started its diplomatic move in full throttle but people out there have taken mere statements to heart. On the contrary Pakistan never mentioned of how Dalits, Muslims, Christians and Sikhs etc are persecuted in India, we havent even touched once on rape cases going on out there, , never raised any voice for the Naxals or Maosits bcz its the very internal issue of India but they are soon to reach to everyone out and poke their noses in our affairs in Pakistan. Nervousness at its peak.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Reason for that is because Sindh hosts one of the largest Afghan refugee populations (mostly undocumented) in Pakistan. Refugee areas in Sindh are breeding ground for terrorists.

So are Afghan refugees in Sindh becoming recruits for LEJ and TTP?

Can you provide a source for this?

 

[The Eagle]

@PaklovesTurkiye @The Eagle damn didn't knew you guys are being ''persecuted''

TBH, there is a difference between Mahajir and MQM playing being Mahajir Victim Card. Altaf's father was a Punjabi (a hint isn't it).

There are two division in this affair so far I can see. Using the Mahajir victim card only to mislead people into nothing but an ethnic unrest.Everyone who migrated from India to Pakistan (vice versa) is to be called Mahajir.

So starting with first point, it is clear and very understandable that there is no such thing that any so called Mahajir is being deprived from the rights or whatsoever but interestingly, in short, MQM was initially formed to counter political elites in Sindh. No such issues were here neither are but foreign supported MQM played it well to mislead the people and frankly speaking, the few I mean very supports that MQM stance but cannot oppose that their addresses and everything is known to them. We have turned blind eyes towards the confessions.

On second division, whoever has migrated is to be called Mahajir in Urdu. In the same context, Altaf is Mahajir in England so interrogating him in various cases by England's authority, it is injustice against Mahajir in England as well so why don't they protest against England's authorities after all Bhai is British by now but can't as they are aware of the master.

The rallies and protests are only organized by MQM so far that is too just because of arrests of their criminal assets. So also, Bhai is in pain that it has been a while that MQM couldn't shut down the city despite several attempts and I must say Hats off to the people and Rangers.

No surprise that times of India is reporting the same. MQM has been exposed many times while having affairs with anti-Pak elements so also being requesting those masters to help them out of justice process especially after National Action Plan. The same MQM pledged allegiance and offered the spy services to CIA back then when the topic was about existence of Black Water in Karachi. This hint is, the then leaks consists of conversation between the then US embassy in Karachi and D.C. Not to forget what Zulfiqar Mirza exposed about the MQM as well. Saulat Mirza to Ajmal Pahari, Rahan Tunda to Farooq Dada, Arshad K2 to Naeem sharri, Mobeen Tunda to Kamran Madhuri and many more, known and famous criminals were all petted and raised by MQM. MQM is based upon different groups for ethnic and sectarian violence in Karachi and those assets are being activated as per need and time. However, the days are gone and city/people moving towards peace and prosper.

I do remember the face of crying Farooq Sattar that was like going to die while lost his seat in general elections during Musharaf era then the result of the same seat was put on hold for almost 6 hours while later announced as his win. There are many more events but no need to remind as everyone knows well except the few that their interests are hurt badly.

Quoting the Balochs in article is just to misguide the readers in the same manners whereby India has been trying to portray the terrorists elements in Baluchistan to be separators. Liyari Gang War is well known and their lords as well that some of them are served with the justice yet the few left and hopefully those elements would be dealt accordingly. Liyari Gang War was famous for drug dealing and extortion supported by PPPP internally and by Iran externally as well that these gangs were frequently traveling Iran as a safe heaven. From Rehman Dakait to Baba Ladla, Uzair to Arshad Pappo, Jabbar aka Jhengo to Aurang, oh all those were so innocent for our rivals just because of the interests and investments but in reality, these are/were most notorious and wanted criminals.

All these efforts of Pakistan while curbing these elements hurts the masters badly so they just want to portray things as bad as can but there is something else called reality which is told widely so also West and US itself has acknowledged such efforts.

It is just the beginning and In'Sha'ALLAH there will be a complete cleansing though will take sometime and hopefully the time is very soon.

We are Pakistanis.

 

[Emmie]

Ok, why are rallies being held by Mohajirs? What are they against? As far as I know the biggest sacrifices that anyone made in forming Pakistan are Mohajirs.

Maybe you should research bit more about Mohajirs, Mohajirs does not necessarily mean people of Karachi neither the term is exclusive for Urdu speaking people. Anyway, not related to topic on hand so I would abstain.

Correction - It's the MQM that has unwarranted issues, not the people at large, lets not confuse MQM with Urdu speaking people. That said if rallies are being held they are being held by MQM and not by Mohajirs. MQM is party which is being controlled from London, the head of the party is not even a Pakistani. Karachi became a hell as the result of political rivalries, MQM like other political parties want full control of Karachi. They want all their activities to be remained unchecked, they want killers to enjoy immunity, same is true is for PPP.

 

[The Sandman]

TBH, there is a difference between Mahajir and MQM playing being Mahajir Victim Card. Altaf's father was a Punjabi (a hint isn't it).

There are two division in this affair so far I can see. Using the Mahajir victim card only to mislead people into nothing but an ethnic unrest.Everyone who migrated from India to Pakistan (vice versa) is to be called Mahajir.

So starting with first point, it is clear and very understandable that there is no such thing that any so called Mahajir is being deprived from the rights or whatsoever but interestingly, in short, MQM was initially formed to counter political elites in Sindh. No such issues were here neither are but foreign supported MQM played it well to mislead the people and frankly speaking, the few I mean very supports that MQM stance but cannot oppose that their addresses and everything is known to them. We have turned blind eyes towards the confessions.

On second division, whoever has migrated is to be called Mahajir in Urdu. In the same context, Altaf is Mahajir in England so interrogating him in various cases by England's authority, it is injustice against Mahajir in England as well so why don't they protest against England's authorities after all Bhai is British by now but can't as they are aware of the master.

The rallies and protests are only organized by MQM so far that is too just because of arrests of their criminal assets. So also, Bhai is in pain that it has been a while that MQM couldn't shut down the city despite several attempts and I must say Hats off to the people and Rangers.

No surprise that times of India is reporting the same. MQM has been exposed many times while having affairs with anti-Pak elements so also being requesting those masters to help them out of justice process especially after National Action Plan. The same MQM pledged allegiance and offered the spy services to CIA back then when the topic was about existence of Black Water in Karachi. This hint is, the then leaks consists of conversation between the then US embassy in Karachi and D.C. Not to forget what Zulfiqar Mirza exposed about the MQM as well. Saulat Mirza to Ajmal Pahari, Rahan Tunda to Farooq Dada, Arshad K2 to Naeem sharri, Mobeen Tunda to Kamran Madhuri and many more, known and famous criminals were all petted and raised by MQM. MQM is based upon different groups for ethnic and sectarian violence in Karachi and those assets are being activated as per need and time. However, the days are gone and city/people moving towards peace and prosper.

I do remember the face of crying Farooq Sattar that was like going to die while lost his seat in general elections during Musharaf era then the result of the same seat was put on hold for almost 6 hours while later announced as his win. There are many more events but no need to remind as everyone knows well except the few that their interests are hurt badly.

Quoting the Balochs in article is just to misguide the readers in the same manners whereby India has been trying to portray the terrorists elements in Baluchistan to be separators. Liyari Gang War is well known and their lords as well that some of them are served with the justice yet the few left and hopefully those elements would be dealt accordingly. Liyari Gang War was famous for drug dealing and extortion supported by PPPP internally and by Iran externally as well that these gangs were frequently traveling Iran as a safe heaven. From Rehman Dakait to Baba Ladla, Uzair to Arshad Pappo, Jabbar aka Jhengo to Aurang, oh all those were so innocent for our rivals just because of the interests and investments but in reality, these are/were most notorious and wanted criminals.

All these efforts of Pakistan while curbing these elements hurts the masters badly so they just want to portray things as bad as can but there is something else called reality which is told widely so also West and US itself has acknowledged such efforts.

It is just the beginning and In'Sha'ALLAH there will be a complete cleansing though will take sometime and hopefully the time is very soon.

We are Pakistanis.

Ah excellent post thank you for this i am sure now it will clear the confusion of our indian members here

 

[Pakistani E]

There is no Muhajir persecution in Pakistan. That's coming from a lax MQM supporter. Altaf Hussain is mentally unstable, even his supporters don't take him seriously anymore, neither do I.