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DRDO official sees good export potential for Tejas

Regarding costs!

Costs of fighters are a very complex issue, because they are different for each customer and depend on different variables, but one basic point is that the more you buy, the lower the total costs!

The US is the manufacturer country of the F16 and they paid for the R&D of it and ordered it in high numbers, but their unit cost won't include R&D again. That's why they pay only the $18 millions fly way costs now, which means for the basic fighter and engine only.
The cost that is given for Pakistan on the last pages, is the system cost! That includes the fly away cost + R&D, but also costs for spares, training and some weapons for a specific timeframe. These costs differs from country to country, depending on what kind, or what ammount of weapons and spares they buy, that's why the best price to compare fighters is the fly away cost, but often the reports talks about system costs only.

Other examples:
F18SH for US forces costs around $49 millions fly away, for export customers it is often given at $55 to 60 millions. The system cost for the US is around $90 millions now, Australia paid around $190 millions for each of their 24 Super Hornets.

South Africa bought 28 Gripen for a system cost of $53 millions each.
PAF bought 18 F16 B52 for a system cost of $77 millions each.


For Tejas that means, $30 million is the cost including R&D but Indian forces should pay less per unit and the more we, or export customers orders, the more the price can fall.
LCA MK2 will be costlier, especially if AESA is included, but then again, the Gripen NG is given with a fly away cost of $45 to 50 millions, UAEs F16 B60 between $50 to 60 millions.

So purely based on costs, LCA can compete the Gripen or F16, but as I said earlier, when LCA MK2 will be on offer for exports, both are likely to be out of production anyway and the main competitiors will be JF 17 and J10!
 
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Here is the original price.
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Some of you have come up with ridiculous prices which made me laugh.
Pakistan can't afford to buy a Jet priced at 75 Million a unit , if we could we would have bought F-15s.

Best Regards

> ever heard about SAMTEL ,a delhi based company is now making Su 30mki and LCA MFD which will even present a proposal for touch screen based Display soon.....Indian-Made MFD System Cleared For Su-30MKI | AVIATION WEEK

I got lot of info in my pandora box but soo... lazy to work out. :lol:;) get over your delusion mate ,you always eat half baked cookie .......
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i guess this is the old price...of F16 ... even 2009 price for 60 cost $50 million and this is bound to increase much due to inflation and other new technologies that got changed... my guess block 60 for sure will cost $60million fly away and 52 will cost at least 45million
 
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@Black blood,

Sancho bhai was spot on in his earlier post and here is why......



French Engine & France is a NATO member , just imagine in 2016 Iran asks to buy 250 LCA - France wont let you sale their engines in because Iran is under sanctions.

Iran, maybe not. But the French would agree to sell this to almost everyone else.




Mainly Israeli i would say.

And you would be totally wrong!

1.Mission Computer (MC): The hardware unit development was done by ASIEO, Bangalore and software design & development by ADA.

2.HUD: The Head-up-Display of the LCA is a unit developed by the state-owned CSIO, Chandigarh.


3.Control & Coding Unit (CCU):The hardware is developed by RCI, Hyderabad and software by ADA.

4.Display Processors (DP): These units are developed by ADE, Bangalore.

5.Mission Preparation & Data Retrieval Unit (MPRU): This unit is developed by LRDE, Bangalore.

6.USMS Electronic Units: Environment Control System Controller (ECSC), Engine and Electrical Monitoring System Electronics Unit (EEMS-EU), Digital Fuel Monitoring System Electronics Unit (DFM-EU) and Digital Hydraulics and Brake Management System Electronics Unit (DH-EU). All from DRDO!


7.Flight data recorder--- HAL Korwa

8.A ring laser gyro (RLG)-based inertial navigation system (INS) from RCI.



Good luck with that , India seems to make good progress in this one.

Thank you! India is indeed progressing well on that front.


Why are you buying EW suites from Elisra (Israeli) then?

Who told you that?

India made electronic warfare systems for IAF Mig-29s and LCA : Defense news

Indian Air Force(IAF)’s Mig-29 and the home-made ’Tejas’ Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will have electronic warfare(EW) systems developed by India’s DRDO from next year onwards. The older Mig-27 fighters are being equipped this year and operational trials are scheduled next year.

DRDO develops new electronic warfare systems for LCA

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) lab has developed a new electronic warfare system for Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas and it would be tested shortly, said Director of Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) U K Revankar on Tuesday.




Surely would be sorted out by 2015 , no doubts on this one.

Yep! No doubt indeed!



Elbit (Israel) provides DASH & HOTAS. Producing is one thing , having technology to build under your own resources and expertise is another.


DASH is correct, do you have any link for HOTAS? I think HOTAS is Indian.


Currently Israeli Elbit provided MMIF/MFD for Tejas , i do hope to see Indian variants or at least home produced ones by 2015.

http://www.samtelgroup.com/cache/HAL_Press_Release.pdf

Also,

..:: India Strategic ::.. Samtel to showcase indigenous technology at Aero India

5”x5” MFD which has been developed by Samtel in collaboration with DRDO, and has been fully cleared for flight worthiness. The MFD has been further developed by Samtel HAL Display Systems, and is flying on Sukhoi 30 MKI aircraft.

Samtel Display Systems’ joint venture with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Samtel HAL Display Systems, has bagged an order with a potential of Rs 2.2 billion ($50 million) for the development of multifunctional display systems for fighter aircraft such as the Sukhoi (Su-30 MKI) and the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).



Indian datalink on Israeli Avionics --- wow ! :rolleyes:


1. Which other Israeli avionics except the LDP and HMDS are you talking about? (See above)

2. Indian link is working OK with a lot more of American avionics, so why not with just two israeli ones?

Boeing P-8I Gets Indian Data Link | AVIATION WEEK

The Data Link II communications technology for the P-8I was received by Boeing from Bharat Electronics Limited in April 2010:azn:



I'll answer rest of your points in a while.
 
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