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Dravida Nadu: What If The South Seceded From The Republic Of India?

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Just an imaginary scenario .

It is not a imaginary concept but a real one and is very much alive in Tamil Nadu, It's also the very first secessionist movement of the republic of India, Way before Khalistan, North Eastern and Kashmir conflicts started

The only reason that this movement temporarily came to a standstill is because the Sino Indian conflict in 1962.. And because after the initial support the rest of the Dravidians Telegu's, Malayalee's and Kannadigas became vary of the Tamil hegemonic ambitions

Those Tamil supremacists then focused in to Northern Sri Lanka and their proxy Eelam project

Dravida Nadu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Tamil nationalism, then and now | Frontline

Tamil Nadu Independence Movements (Separatists, Secessionists)
 
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It is not a imaginary concept but a real one and is very much alive in Tamil Nadu, It's also the very first secessionist movement of the republic of India, Way before Khalistan, North Eastern and Kashmir conflicts started

The only reason that this movement temporarily came to a standstill is because the Sino Indian conflict in 1962.. And because after the initial support the rest of the Dravidians Telegu's, Malayalee's and Kannadigas became vary of the Tamil hegemonic ambitions

Those Tamil supremacists then focused in to Northern Sri Lanka and their proxy Eelam project

Dravida Nadu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dravidian Nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tamil nationalism, then and now | Frontline

Tamil Nadu Independence Movements (Separatists, Secessionists)

I think you guys are reading too much into it. The so called Dravida Naadu never had popular support. Tamils were at the forefront of the Indian Independence movements, while the Andhras, Mysurus and the Malayalis were under the controls of independent rulers. Of course to this day Chennai has a large percentage of Telugu people who are living here since centuries and their contribution also can never be forgotten. As the only metro in Southern India Madras had its own place for the freedom of Independent India. A lots of poets like Subramanya Bharathi, Annie Besant, Rajaji, Kamaraj, Annadurai came from this fold.

During the 1950's, the Tamils were pretty dominant in the political field of southern India due to their contribution. Anna "flirted" with the idea of separate country, but he had no support except some hardcore nationalist people. Do remember in till 1967, it was Congress ruling TN, and until Kamaraj moved to New Delhi to take care of Indian National Congress, the party in TN was never defeated.

It was only the "anti Hindi" protests that brought Anna's DMK to power and not his separatist policies. He was a good CM of course to Tamil Nadu and to India. Congress CM that time was too weak to oppose the policy of the centre.

People also fail to see that the majority of INA under Bose were Tamilians. Tamils were working in Singapore, Malaysia, Burma, Andamans and they joined his ranks when he called for action. Southern Tamil Nadu, to this day, swears by Nethaji. In marriage invitational cards, Lord Ganesh do not decorate their front side. But Subhash Chandra Bose.
 
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Secessionist and separatist movements have littered the history of India throughout the decades. From the Sikhs of Punjab (who sought a "Khalistan") to the Kashmiri Muslims to the Tripuris in the Northeast, many groups of people across the subcontinent have determined that their lives and welfare would improve if they could form their own independent sovereign state.

Indeed, India and Pakistan were themselves born in the violent crucible of Partition in 1947 partly as a result of agitation by Muslims who did not want to live in a Hindu-dominated post-British India.

None of these separatist movements since Partition have succeeded (unless one includes the war of liberation that created the state of Bangladesh out of East Pakistan in 1971), but that doesn’t mean that disparate groups in India have lost their dreams of independent statehood.

Now consider the southern part of India, which is now widely regarded as the most progressive and one of the most prosperous parts of the nation.

What would happen if (in a highly unlikely event) the South decided to secede from the Republic of India?

South India is generally defined as the four states of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu, plus the territories of Lakshadweep and Puducherry. On the whole, South India occupies about about one-fifth of India’s total land mass – 250,000 square miles, or roughly the size of France or Afghanistan.

If South India were an independent country -- let’s call it “Dravida” in honor of the original inhabitants who lived on the subcontinent prior to the arrival of the Aryans and were driven southwards -- it would have a population of about 250 million, less than the United States, but greater than Russia, Brazil or Pakistan.

According to a report in DNA-India, the four states of the South contribute 22 percent of India’s national GDP and generate 28 percent of national employment. The region has a GDP of about $300 billion (about the same as Southeast Asian powerhouse Malaysia). Moreover, South India’s GDP is projected to reach $500 billion by 2016 and edge near $650 billion by 2020 (larger than the current economic strength of Switzerland and just below that of Saudi Arabia).

These "Dravida" people would primarily speak Tamil, Telugu, Kannada or Malayalam (instead of Hindi, Bengali or Urdu, which are prevalent in the north).

The mythical nation’s three largest cities would be Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad – given its size, central location and key information technology industry, Bangalore would likely serve as the capital of Dravida.

As in the North, Hinduism would dominate South India -- some 83 percent to the Dravidian population adhere to Hinduism, followed by Islam (11 percent) and Christianity (5 percent). On this basis, Dravida would actually possess a deeper attachment to Hinduism than India as whole, where Hindus account for “only” about 80 percent of the population.

But Dravida – despite its global image as a center of technology – would remain dominated by an agricultural economy, as indeed the rest of India remains. Nearly one-half of Dravida's workers labor in its fields and farms.

Could South India ever become an independent state? Probably not, since the Indian Constitution basically forbids such a thing from ever taking place. But South India is very distinct from the rest of India in many ways, including language, culture, ethnicity, foods, art, etc. -- and speculation about such a secession is not entirely limited to the realms of fantasy.

In a piece published in July 2007 in Outlook India, cultural journalist Sadanand Menon suggested that if the four states that comprise southern India ever seceded, “you might actually have a new coastal superpower in the region.”

Menon suggested that South Indians, long disdained and ridiculed by the north, have already surpassed the remainder of the country in terms of human development, living standards, literacy, cultural richness, infant mortality, life expectancy, fertility rates and other factors.

While literacy rates are rising all over India, the South leads in the category – indeed, in 2013, Kerala recorded a literacy rate of more than 95 percent, approaching Western standards.

Amazingly, the south now has a fertility rate below the 2.1 percent replacement rate, meaning that by this parameter, South India is similar to Western Europe and Japan in terms of demographics and could witness a gradual decline in its population, or at least stabilization. In addition, whereas the male-female gender gap is ever-widening in North India, in the South, the distribution of the sexes is roughly equal. In fact, Kerala is believed to be the only state in India which has more girls than boys (in northern states like Haryana and Punjab, boys outnumber females by significant margins).

Part of this perceived advancement in the south, Menon noted, can trace its roots to India’s long and often-violent history, referring specifically to the Aryan invasion of northern India thousands of years ago and the Islamic invasion from centuries ago.

“Wave upon wave of invasions, war and plunder seem to have brutalized and coarsened North India’s [civilization],” Menon declared. “In comparison, the south has had a more sedate passage [into the modern age] with palpable historical and cultural continuity.”

The Public Affair Centre, an independent Indian think-tank, issued a study detailing how the “quality of governance and better leadership” has led South India to surge past the north in quality of life measures, including per capita income and poverty alleviation, over the past five decades or so.

Looking at the period 2009-2010, the study’s lead authors Samuel Paul and Kala S. Sridhar found that the average poverty rate in the south amounted to 19 percent, half the 38 percent figure for the northern states. (In contrast, in 1960, the rural poverty rate in the south – 60 percent – exceeded that of the north, which was at 50 percent).

Also, as of 2009-10, on an average weighted basis, per capita income in the southern states came in at 19,531 rupees, more than double the 8,951 rupees found in the north.

“After independence [in 1947], people from the south moved to the north in search of jobs,” Paul told reporters. “Now, North Indians are moving in large numbers to [the] south in search of work. The gap between south and north in terms of per capita income and poverty is widening. Southern states are doing better.”

Sridhar told reporters that the gap in per capita income and poverty between north and south accelerated during the late 1980s and early 1990s. She also noted that the south excels in technical education, electrical power and urbanization – and attributed the various superiorities in the south partially to better leadership and governance and stable government ministries.

In addition, Sridhar suggested that caste differences are not as stringent in the south as they remain in the north, meaning that lower-caste people can access services and facilities provided by government, including education and job training.

“Such movements were absent in the north, where the demand for better governance and entitlements from lower-caste people was either absent or used for identity politics,” she said.

“People in southern states are willing to take advantage of the policies, attract investments to set up new industries and other facilities,” the study added.

Indeed, for example, consider that more than one-half of all engineering graduates hail from the south, even though the region accounts for only about one-fifth of India’s total population.

Dr. Jonah Blank, a senior political scientist at the Rand Corporation, told International Business Times that the south will never secede and that the four states that comprise southern India are fully integrated to Indian nationhood. “They aren't small, remote territories which share little in the way of culture or history with the Indian mainstream,” he said.

“Without its Dravidian south, India wouldn't truly be India. I can't really see these states either deciding, or being permitted to, secede.”

The Dravidian states of India's south, Blank added, are some of the most vibrant and dynamic parts of the nation. “This is true in terms of economy, culture, and political involvement.”

Moreover, one of the many obstacles to an independent South India would be the lack of a national unifying language.

"It's hard to see the four southern states unifying behind any single language -- in the past, and even today, linguistic differences tend to trump ethnic ones in debates over boundaries for southern states,” Blank noted. “Nor would there be a shared homogeneity of faith: [for example] Kerala and Andhra Pradesh have large Muslim populations, Tamil Nadu and Kerala have large Christian populations."

Nevertheless, demands for separation by South India from the remainder of the country have resurfaced over the decades.

Indeed, just before and after India gained independence from Britain, a group of southern politicians agitated for their own independence under the so-called Dravida Nadu movement. Spearheaded by the Justice Party of E.V. Ramasamy and the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam of C.N. Annadurai, they sought to create a sovereign state for the Dravidian peoples of the subcontinent, including Sri Lanka (then called Ceylon), that was quite distinct from the "Aryan" north. That movement died down by the 1960s – in 1963, just one year before his death, India’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, banned secessionist movements.

One of the most prominent of the South Indian separatists, Periyar E.V. Ramasamy, wanted not only the partition of British India, but rather the “trifurcation” of the subcontinent -- into India (dominated by Aryan Hindu Brahmins), Pakistan (Muslims) and Dravida Nadu (Dravidians). Periyar, once a member of the mainstream Congress Party, also led movements to eradicate caste distinctions and promoted women's rights (in stark opposition to views held by the Hindu Brahmins who led the north).

Professor W. "R.P." Raghupathi, program director of information systems at Fordham University in New York City – and a native of South India – told IBTimes that not only does the south have no particular reasons at present to secede from India, but each state is governed by a different political party, making it difficult to agree on things. Additionally, some disputes may exist.

“For example, the states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have been engaged in a contentious battle over water rights [over sharing the Kaveri River] for many decades, with little hope of a resolution,” he said.

In the unlikely event that South India ever became a separate state, Raghupathi imagines it would somewhat resemble the European Union – a loosely coupled union of states with the populations speaking a variety of languages and at varying stages of economic development.

Raghupathi also points out that despite the south’s now-global reputation as a center of information technology, the region lacks an abundance of natural resources as compared to the north. While there is high literacy and a knowledge base, there is less entrepreneurship and innovation.

“What the south may need are dynamic business powerhouses," he said.

“The south really does not have any Tatas or Birlas,” he added, referring to dominant family-run conglomerates of the north.

In the meantime, as secessionist movement pop up in various parts of India , the southern part of India will likely continue to prosper peacefully.
Dravida Nadu: What If The South Seceded From The Republic Of India?

Just an imaginary scenario .Found interesting .So I posted it in here .
Looking for useful debates .
Dont troll in this thread .

You post a troll article and ask people to not troll? Communism ka keeda chad gaya hai kya deemag me?
 
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Tamilnadu has the least integration although they're in every other way Indians. Tamil nationalism is much more aggressive and deep rooted than the demand for Khalistan. Because, wherever Tamils are in good numbers, they starts claiming it as their land. For e.g. Idukki district in Kerala that they want to snatch to be part of Tamil Eelam.

BTW, Isn't today's Punjab state really the land of pure? After removing Hindu areas, the secular India allowed the creation of a Sikh majority state called Punjab.
 
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Anyone demands separate country will get bullet between his eyes be it north Indian, South indian or from my state maharashtra. Period.
 
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One word 'WATER'

AP, TG and Karnataka are highly dependent on water from MH.
Going ahead without some traction on river linking, south is not going to survive as it is.
 
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Next century will decide ... formation of world is changing dramatically.. not only unity is survival of nation but with reginal... its a wall if u remove one brick whole wall will fall.
And india have many bricks falling .heir destabiality might not effect countries around but other countries destabilty will be huge dent on india..
Maynmar wanted to inhale some noth east terrority even they have pro hasina's gov they have no sympathy from bangalies .. SL have seen alot from past 20 years from india..forget about Pakistan and china..
 
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And india have many bricks falling .heir destabiality might not effect countries around but other countries destabilty will be huge dent on india..

I can replace the word India with any country in the world and it would still fit.
Replace India with Pakistan and close your eyes and you will see it fits much better
Replace India with USA and still it will fit
With China, why not?
 
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It is not a imaginary concept but a real one and is very much alive in Tamil Nadu, It's also the very first secessionist movement of the republic of India, Way before Khalistan, North Eastern and Kashmir conflicts started

The only reason that this movement temporarily came to a standstill is because the Sino Indian conflict in 1962.. And because after the initial support the rest of the Dravidians Telegu's, Malayalee's and Kannadigas became vary of the Tamil hegemonic ambitions

Those Tamil supremacists then focused in to Northern Sri Lanka and their proxy Eelam project

Dravida Nadu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dravidian Nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tamil nationalism, then and now | Frontline

Tamil Nadu Independence Movements (Separatists, Secessionists)
When ppl are angry they issue all sorts of statements they are mostly rhetoric. Some frustration on not addressing genuine grievances ends up getting vented else where. If there was strong secessionist feeling we should have had terrorists run amok left, right & center.

Mostly your view or opinion is based on srilanka's treatment of their minorities relating imposition of sinhala. Take a look at the indian currency which has 20+ languages indicating the denomination value. Indian national anthem is in bengali and nobody is cribbing about it.


I think you guys are reading too much into it. The so called Dravida Naadu never had popular support. Tamils were at the forefront of the Indian Independence movements, while the Andhras, Mysurus and the Malayalis were under the controls of independent rulers. Of course to this day Chennai has a large percentage of Telugu people who are living here since centuries and their contribution also can never be forgotten. As the only metro in Southern India Madras had its own place for the freedom of Independent India. A lots of poets like Subramanya Bharathi, Annie Besant, Rajaji, Kamaraj, Annadurai came from this fold.

During the 1950's, the Tamils were pretty dominant in the political field of southern India due to their contribution. Anna "flirted" with the idea of separate country, but he had no support except some hardcore nationalist people. Do remember in till 1967, it was Congress ruling TN, and until Kamaraj moved to New Delhi to take care of Indian National Congress, the party in TN was never defeated.

It was only the "anti Hindi" protests that brought Anna's DMK to power and not his separatist policies. He was a good CM of course to Tamil Nadu and to India. Congress CM that time was too weak to oppose the policy of the centre.

People also fail to see that the majority of INA under Bose were Tamilians. Tamils were working in Singapore, Malaysia, Burma, Andamans and they joined his ranks when he called for action. Southern Tamil Nadu, to this day, swears by Nethaji. In marriage invitational cards, Lord Ganesh do not decorate their front side. But Subhash Chandra Bose.
Agreed, It seems ppl tend to go by some old articles and make up their opinions.
 
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India has more devide Pakistan have 5 almost proviences less languages 97% muslims compare what india has how people from mahrashtra hate bihari working, malabari call themselves malabari then indian .. tamil doesnt even wants ur learn hindi.. muslims have awasies... 7 state siters doesnt want to live with mata. Kashmari sepration punjabi have huge population wantes to have khalistan majority lives overseas which help them funding the moment... then alot of other devide between higher lower and lowest hindus.
So yeah its india who sud not bother others she sud help to keep every one united thru sarc platform..
 
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What we gain is less by forming a separate country. We got lot by joining with Indian Republic. It would be even better if northies torn their ego and give some respect to tamils feeling8-)
 
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And I think discussion should be within the India .SL Tamils and their issues are different .

I agree although the Tamil Eelam movement took inspiration from seperatist Tamil Nadu movements although the reasons as well as the issues faced by the Sri Lankan tamil community were very different.
Unintentional discrimination of Tamils due to SWRD govts policies which created large amounts of unemployed tamil youth ,several race riots and eventually the Black July gave a massive boost to the separatism among Tamils in Sri Lanka. There many other social issues as well but it's pretty complex. LTTE did receive a boost as a Indian proxy but that's only the organizations not the movement itself.
However most of those mistakes have been or are being corrected.

India should be concerned about TN politicians who glorify the LTTE and use Tamil nationalism for political gain.
 
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well as a matter of fact i have never seen tamil movies with an indian prospective i have always considered them seperate and as a matter of fact as you already have mentioned they are as different from rest of india as is Pakistan or bangladesh or Sri Lanka or any other neighbour ...... so yes it will be nice to see them separated from India as a Pakistani ....

That is because south Indians still follow the original form of Hinduism due lesser influence and intermingling with the Arab/Turkic/Persian/Islamic cultures while the Hindus in the north have intermingled and created a new culture.

For example, the written languages of Malayalam and Telugu are more closer to Sanskrit than the modern day Hindi/Urdu.

You can also find it in many aspects of the culture.

For example, Hindu scripture have references to Sarasvati, Narada and Ravana playing musical instrument Veena which is still played in the south while in north Sitar is more famous.

Same is the case with mridangam (south) and tabla (north).

There are references to ancient Hindus eating rice, lentils, vegetables, fruits, dairy and meat not wheat/roti/chapaathi
 
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For example, the written languages of Malayalam and Telugu are more closer to Sanskrit than the modern day Hindi/Urdu.

The written languages of all Dravidian languages are pretty same. Anyone who knows the scripts of one language can find it easier to learn than others. Tamil and Malayalam are pretty easy, and so is Telugu and Kannada, with Tamil forming the link language for all 4.

However Malayalam/ Telugu has more Sanskrit loan words in use. Not written dialects..
 
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Even the greatest empires in the history couldn't keep their borders stable for a 100years. India or any country will not be an exception to this rule, who is going to break and when? Is the only question.

After seceding from India nothing will happen other than some river water diversions. Delta regions will be converted to methane gas fields, as these regions possess tons and tons of methane. china and other countries who wants to keep india in check, will invest here heavily.




It seems you will do anything for Chinese .Anything means anything that you wont even consider your own honour
Trust me dude.
Noone going to break from India .If anyone tries for that they will digging their own grave .
 
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