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Draft MoU on Indo-Bangla Defence cooperation

Source is Russian, from Russia beyond the headlines.

http://in.rbth.com/defence/2017/04/...hi-purchase-of-russian-arms-and-spares_736061

This is quite obvious. Part of the details is already available in the media. And Chinese high level delegations have just concluded their visits to Dhaka and secured the massive J10B deal, right before this MoU. They have obviously inquired about these deals.

Who says details of the deal were made public? Only awami indian dalals will say that. Show the sighed deal then one can claim it is made public Besides, making the deal public after signing it is just farce because damage to Bangladesh defense forces and independence already done by awami league guided by sheikh mujib ideology.

Your exact claim was "we are not going lose China's trust". Did Chinese tell you they have not lost trust when awami league sold off Bangladesh defense policy and allowed indians to dictate what Bangladesh defense forces can or can not do? Your awami propaganda banter is clear enough.

And more than anyone or anything else Bangladesh independence and armed forces are submitted to indian dictate, no amount indian and awami league propaganda can musk that. Anyone trust is secondary.
 
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Who says details of the deal were made public? Only awami indian dalals will say that. Show the sighed deal then one can claim it is made public Besides, making the deal public after signing it is just farce because damage to Bangladesh defense forces and independence already done by awami league guided by sheikh mujib ideology.

Your exact claim was "we are not going lose China's trust". Did Chinese told you they have not lost trust when awami league sold off Bangladesh defense policy and allowed indians to dictate what Bangladesh defense forces can or can not do? Your awami propaganda banter is clear enough.

If the Chinese didn't trust us, they wouldn't sell their frontline jet J10B to us, that too in its first ever export venture. Our military still enjoys autonomy in their decision making.

May be @MBI Munshi can tell more.
 
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No defence agreement (সামরিক চুক্তি) with India. Only MoU.
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3 memorandums of understanding (MoU) বা সমঝোতা স্মারক in Defence.
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1- Defence Cooperation Framework between the Government of the Republic of India and the Government of the People's Republic of Bangladesh, MoU between Defence Services Staff College, Wellington (Nilgiris), Tamil Nadu, India and Defence Services Command and Staff College, Mirpur, Dhaka, Bangaldesh for Enhancing Cooperation in the Field of Strategic and operational studies.
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2- MoUs were signed between National Defence College, Dhaka, Bangladesh and National Defence College, New Delhi, India for enhancing cooperation in the field of national security, development and strategic studies Defence Secretary Principal Staff officer (PSO).
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3- MoU of $500 million USD line of credit for Bangladesh Defence Procurement. [Bangladesh can select military hardware & procurement country]
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Also, Bangladesh signed 22 agreement covering diverse areas of bilateral cooperations including Economic, Power, Nuclear energy, Outter space research (মহাকাশ গবেষণা), Information technology and Mass media.
 
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Well, There is a hidden understanding that the money wont be spent in China. Bangladesh will use it to complete Mig Squadron ( updated 8 Mig29 + New Mig35). Some of the pro china Bangladeshis are spreading that It is Indian chanakya plan to keep Bangladesh away from China. I am sure this is why before this Tour , BAF hastily published two separate procurement tenders - 1 for Russian two engine and another for Chinese 1 engine J-10. So China and India both knows what Bangladesh is doing. The plan is to have 16 Mig fighters and 50 J-10B
When did BAF put tenders for J 10?
 
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This is a Line of Credit facility. In other words a loan that has to be paid back. No skin of Indias nose if Bangladesh wants to buy Russian ( A reliable supplier to India for over 60 years) planes and subs as long as Bangladesh keeps up with the payments.

You do understand that this is a LOW interest loan (0.5% interest) to be paid back over several decades and several grace periods? To buy mainly RUSSIAN equipment, just to stop some chinese defence purchase?

All this does is just free up more finance to buy more Chinese equipment, but hey why should we complain....We get more equipment and Russians/Chinese earn more money....Thanks.

I'm betting this finance will be used to purchase T90Ms tanks....watch.
 
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We could buy some artillery from them...use the rest to finance the jets we were already going to buy from Russia thus decrease the line of credit we were supposed to get from Russia...What could possibly go wrong?
 
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No defence agreement (সামরিক চুক্তি) with India. Only MoU.

MOU is the beginning and why does Bangladesh need MOU for defense treaty that is anti Bangladesh and its independence? Awami league is looking to implement india imposed defense agreement in multiple stages –

Stage 1: Signing MOU
Stage 2: Soften Bangladesh defense forces resistance to indian imposed defense agreement.
Stage 3: Create “NEW FACTS ON THE GROUND” to create narrative that defense agreement with india is a necessity for Bangladesh.

Recent media campaign by awami league for the defense treaty with india and ISIS attacks in Bangladesh in last few days are part of indians & awami league implementing Stage 3 - Create “NEW FACTS ON THE GROUND” to create narrative that defense agreement with india is a necessity for Bangladesh.

You do understand that this is a LOW interest loan (0.5% interest) to be paid back over several decades and several grace periods? To buy mainly RUSSIAN equipment, just to stop some chinese defence purchase?
Another indo awami propaganda pusher arrived to hide anti Bangladesh pact behind a propaganda invention of "Russian" label.

We could buy some artillery from them...use the rest to finance the jets we were already going to buy from Russia thus decrease the line of credit we were supposed to get from Russia...What could possibly go wrong?

By "we" you mean indian and awami league dalals. Besides, why even loan and question of buying? Now it is indian state of "Bangladesh" with Awami league chief Hasina as chief minister. india does not need provide "loan" to its own state.
 
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India has history of violations against neighbour and Bdesh should be able to work out on not compromising its independence as a possibility is there that Bdesh would dpend more on indian economy making the way to have terms dictated..
 
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Chinese laughing all the way looking at the $500 million india offered them.

expect a bigger credit line coming bangladeshs way in the next few days
 
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Chinese laughing all the way looking at the $500 million india offered them.

expect a bigger credit line coming bangladeshs way in the next few days

I'm just waiting for that, would be a massive one! :D
 
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Chinese laughing all the way looking at the $500 million india offered them.

expect a bigger credit line coming bangladeshs way in the next few days

You can give a country 100 of billions in credit but if the country does not have capacity to absorb all credits, it become destructive than beneficial. "Bangladesh" with its current economic condition, business and investment climate, administrative capabilities and political situation can not even absorb all existing credits and utilize yearly development funds.
 
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Calm down,we aren't trolled so easily,we are best at trolling the big bullying neighbour's.

Rest assured, people and country like india which tries live off 45 years old history will remain backward and just trolling themselves.
 
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12:00 AM, April 01, 2017 / LAST MODIFIED: 11:10 AM, April 01, 2017
http://www.thedailystar.net/perspective/do-we-really-need-defence-deal-india-1384450
Do we really need a defence deal with India?
Abdul Hannan

Military pacts or defence deals are always struck by two states or more, out of a common threat perception. In the fifties, during the Cold War, Pakistan joined CENTO and SEATO, an essentially western alliance with the US, Britain, France, New Zealand, and some Asian countries like Thailand, Philippines, Iran and Turkey, to contain the growing communist influence of China and the Soviet Union. The WARSAW Military pact by Soviet Russia, with its satellite states comprising erstwhile East European states, came into being to contain western military alliance represented by NATO. Recently, the US signed a military pact with India, providing for refuelling and repairing facilities of American military aircraft and war ships in Indian military bases to contain growing Chinese influences in the strategic Indian Ocean. In 1971, India signed a 25 years treaty of peace, friendship and cooperation agreement with the Soviet Union to contain perceived SINO-American intervention in favour of Pakistan. The same treaty was later adopted to ensure Indo-Bangladesh cooperation. The Saudi-led Islamic military alliance by 39 Islamic states was forged in 2015 to fight terrorism, especially the Islamic State (IS).

As of now, Bangladesh has little threat perception from any quarter. We have no enemy, real or assumed. Thus, I would argue that there is no need for a military deal with any country. The cornerstone of Bangladesh's foreign policy, as enunciated by the Father of the Nation, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, is friendship with all and malice to none. We are a non-aligned nation. As a small nation, we are wary of military alliances conceived by big powers to spread their sphere of influence.

The people of the country wish to be left alone from big power rivalries, and thus have strategic partnerships with China, Russia, India, and even Myanmar.

Newspaper discussions by the civil society, particularly by former senior Bangladeshi diplomats, have questioned the necessity of a comprehensive defence deal with India for military cooperation, sales and supply of military hardware and coordinated operation against mutually perceived threats. They point out that as of now there is enough military cooperation with India by way of exchange of high level military contacts, joint military training and exercises, and so a formal military alliance will be superfluous and irrelevant.

According to Indian press reports, India was provoked to push for such an agreement because of the increasing military cooperation between Bangladesh and China, manifested by 80 percent of imports of Chinese hardware by Bangladesh over the past decade. They pointed out that the Indian move was precipitated by the supply of two Chinese submarines to Bangladesh, indicating 'deepening of Chinese footprints in India's backyard complicating India's security paradigm'. They further said the sale rankled concerned circles who questioned the need for Bangladesh to purchase two Chinese submarines considered it offensive.

Indian analysts have also interpreted the sale as a “Chinese strategy to encircle India”. Prabal Ghosh of the Observer Research Foundation, explained to the Outlook, “The sale's strategic importance cannot be understated in any way”. He advocates steps “to prevent Bangladesh from playing the China card”.

They also pointed out that India was rattled by Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to Bangladesh in October 2016 when China pledged nearly USD 24 billion assistance in trade and investment, buttressed by a promise to elevate the relationship between the two countries to a strategic partnership in South Asia and the Indian Ocean. China's presence in the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal, and Bangladesh joining China's One Belt One Road initiative is also a matter of deep concern to India. These alarm bells prompted Indian Defence Minister Monohar Parikkar and Indian Foreign Secretary Subramaniam Jaisankart to rush to Dhaka to clinch a defence agreement with Dhaka.

The proposed deal, by all intent and purpose, is an Indian initiative and agenda to counter the growing influence of China in the Indian Ocean region. There is no reason for Bangladesh to become a part of the India-China rivalry by opting for the deal which will extensively limit and circumscribe our independent military options and choices. The proposed deal is fraught with deep uncertainties, risking our country being unwittingly sucked into India's potential conflicts. India is sufficiently strong to confront its adversaries without dragging Bangladesh. Besides, India is the largest importer of arms in the world, as the quality of Indian defence products is not beyond question.

Bangladesh, in recent times, has addressed a wide range of India's concerns on security and connectivity. It has been denying space in the country for Indian insurgents from its troubled north eastern states, allowed the transit and transportation of Indian goods and passengers through road, railway, and river ports, and connected the Chittagong and Mongla ports to India's north eastern states. Bangladesh has given India everything it asked for in a platter. We offered our neighbour the use of the river port in Ashuganj to transport heavy duty equipment for the Palatona power company in Tripura, and also arranged transport of 10,000 tonnes of rice to Tripura through our territories. Yet, a deal on water sharing of the Teesta River has floundered.

Like the English poet Wordsworth said about the bounty of nature, “We receive but what we give”. In the same refrain of introspection, India may ask itself, “We receive from Bangladesh but what do we give them?” In that vein, wouldn't it be too much for India to expect Bangladesh to sign this defence deal?

The strength of the government rests on popular support and not on external help. To its credit, the present Bangladesh government is successfully walking a quadruple equidistant tightrope, effectively managing foreign policy with America, Russia, China and India without tilting to one side or the other. The defence deal will seriously compromise our independent stance.

If the current public discourse on the subject in Bangladesh is any indication, this is an extremely unpopular measure which has the potential of a deep political fallout and backlash with damaging consequences. The government, responsible for our booming economy and significant trade surplus, is firmly in the driver's seat and can steer clear any outside pressure which is detrimental to its national interest. We hope that Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina will resist such an asymmetric and outlandish deal that will add nothing to our pace of development. Bangladesh is committed to strengthening stability and peace in the region. India and China are both very powerful and influential powers in Asia. We cannot be a part of a process that furthers India-China's armed rivalry.
The writer is a former diplomat.
India only offer lip service, why not invest 24 billions in BD same as China does?

Yes yes, master China only has benevolent intentions, those evil Hindustanis just want to further their hegemonic plans.
We don't pose threats in any form to BD. We don't abduct its civilian by force, or kill so called trans-passer wantonly. China has no dip of malign intention toward BD. Instead of pushing the defence pact, you shall put more times to enhance your lame weapon industry. You don't have to worry helplessly.
 
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