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You make valid points, in particular about education. I agree that post 1998 nucear tests the defence budget should have been capped. I have raised this point, in particular that we don't need a navy, just a coastguard would do. Hell we hardly export much anyway so it's like we have huge trade routes to defend. And our stamina/finances are so low that we won't fight India longer then weeks. The good thing being this applies to India as well which is why Indo-Pak wars are short, weekly affairs. This means even if Indian Navy blockeded Pakistan before the it would bite the war would be over.
Also I think the days of huge armoured battles are over. Thus we have no need for huge armoured corps. I guess what I am saying there is certainly scope for downsizing the conventional military. I also agree the army/security apparatus has utterly failed to create a safe, stable Pakistan. The recurrent acts of terrorism are a reminder of that and blaming outsiders is just childish escapism.
On the other hand we have to understand that Pakistan is nothing without the military. Think about this. What unites Pakistan? Leaving that joke about "Pakistan kya Matlab" the reality is it is just the army. Every major city has it's own culture, cuisine, ethnic group. To people in Karachi Pakstan is Indian Biryani and Lucknow, Indian culture conveniently flogged as 'desi'. Peshawar has it's own culture etc. This reality is reflected in politics. Each ethnic group is vying for power and a say in this Pakistan. The northern Punjab centred on Lahore have stood firm by PML-N. Rural Sindh centred on Larkhana have rallied around PPP. PTI was until recently more a K-Pk force that has spread out from it's Pashtun base. Each group will call the other traitor. In this mess the only central gravity is provided by the army. Or K-Pk along with Pashtun areas would have broken off from Pakistan. Sindh would have cracked along the Sindhi/Mohajor divide with civil war to make Syria look like a nursery. Punjab would have gone it's own direction.
So maybe it's not such a bad thing that Pakistan has a huge military. It acts like a huge anchor that holds the chaos together.
So maybe it's not such a bad thing that Pakistan has a huge military. It acts like a huge anchor that holds the chaos together.
I think I have said many times now. I don't expect much improvement on the eco
You make valid points, in particular about education. I agree that post 1998 nucear tests the defence budget should have been capped. I have raised this point, in particular that we don't need a navy, just a coastguard would do. Hell we hardly export much anyway so it's like we have huge trade routes to defend. And our stamina/finances are so low that we won't fight India longer then weeks. The good thing being this applies to India as well which is why Indo-Pak wars are short, weekly affairs. This means even if Indian Navy blockeded Pakistan before the it would bite the war would be over.
Also I think the days of huge armoured battles are over. Thus we have no need for huge armoured corps. I guess what I am saying there is certainly scope for downsizing the conventional military. I also agree the army/security apparatus has utterly failed to create a safe, stable Pakistan. The recurrent acts of terrorism are a reminder of that and blaming outsiders is just childish escapism.
On the other hand we have to understand that Pakistan is nothing without the military. Think about this. What unites Pakistan? Leaving that joke about "Pakistan kya Matlab" the reality is it is just the army. Every major city has it's own culture, cuisine, ethnic group. To people in Karachi Pakstan is Indian Biryani and Lucknow, Indian culture conveniently flogged as 'desi'. Peshawar has it's own culture etc. This reality is reflected in politics. Each ethnic group is vying for power and a say in this Pakistan. The northern Punjab centred on Lahore have stood firm by PML-N. Rural Sindh centred on Larkhana have rallied around PPP. PTI was until recently more a K-Pk force that has spread out from it's Pashtun base. Each group will call the other traitor. In this mess the only central gravity is provided by the army. Or K-Pk along with Pashtun areas would have broken off from Pakistan. Sindh would have cracked along the Sindhi/Mohajor divide with civil war to make Syria look like a nursery. Punjab would have gone it's own direction.
So maybe it's not such a bad thing that Pakistan has a huge military. It acts like a huge anchor that holds the chaos together.
How the heck do you have a growing poverty rate???
Honestly, I don't think it's about military coups etc. Even if Raheel had taken over the basic issues informing the malaise in Pakistan would remain as they have despite many military governments that have ruled Pakistan. What we need is equilibrium and a fair representation of Pakistan that is informed by it's people. The fact is some groups are over represented and others under represented in Pakistan. The over represented think they are Pakistan. That must change.You know what in 2015-2016 they were rumored circling around that Raheel Shraif was planning a coup
Sure, go ahead and disband the military.You forgot wasting it on a grand military. It's the second largest part of our budget after debt servicing. That's why whenever articles about the economy are posted you have people like @Enigma SIG calling it foreign propaganda and demanding the press be muzzled. They don't like it when people shine a light on our economic statistics and government budget.
All defense budget will be cut in more than half if our government decides to give up Kashmir and make the boundary which is now as official boundary. But we all know that army won't let this happen, there egos will be hurt and also their defense budget will be decreased. Giving up kashmir is one of the major ways we can get out of this financial crisis.I would hardly call that wasting. What do you propose? That defense spending is what kept you safe and still does. Reducing it won’t fix anything when you don’t question what happens to the rest. Where does the rest of the budget go? Atleast this part is being utilized properly. Just sloganeering won’t get you anything. Also i advise you to read the economic statistics and the budget before jumping to conclusions .
All defense budget will be cut in more than half if our government decides to give up Kashmir and make the boundary which is now as official boundary. But we all know that army won't let this happen, there egos will be hurt and also their defense budget will be decreased. Giving up kashmir is one of the major ways we can get out of this financial crisis.
Honestly, I don't think it's about military coups etc. Even if Raheel had taken over the basic issues informing the malaise in Pakistan would remain as they have despite many military governments that have ruled Pakistan. What we need is equilibrium and a fair representation of Pakistan that is informed by it's people. The fact is some groups are over represented and others under represented in Pakistan. The over represented think they are Pakistan. That must change.
You think previous governments had no debt to pay when they were in government . I have been listening this arguments from all present and past government that they had inherited economy in poor shape . Every sitting government blame previous government for taking loans and not spending them well. its same old cycle of blame game and not taking any responsibility to fix economic crisisoi - facts have no place here; only worship of holy cows. Why is PTI paying back debts? NS government didn't. PTI should borrow another $40 billion to pay off this debt and that way there is no problem right?!
It's not the fact that previous governments had no debt. Indeed as you said they did. But it's the scale. The magnitude of debt that has been dumped on the PTI government. This infographic should make it abundantly clear. And if does not, nothing will.You think previous governments had no debt to pay when they were in government . I have been listening this arguments from all present and past government that they had inherited economy in poor shape . Every sitting government blame previous government for taking loans and not spending them well. its same old cycle of blame game and not taking any responsibility to fix economic crisis
Economic growths depend on many factors. Different governments faced different challenges during their tenure. Some had to deals with war on terror/terrorism, political instability etc while others had no such issues. Previous government was also spending money on projects like metro/motoryway/housing schemes/susta atta /laptop distribution/free primary education and these schmes meant for political gains and vote bank rather than brining long term economic reforms . Its same story in this government and we will see what they leave for next government and how much money next government will need to borrow to run the country....Fault of PTI is that they promised something which they have no capacity to deliver....why made tall claims to gain votes when knew that economy is in poor shape and will not let these happenIt's not the fact that previous governments had no debt. Indeed as you said they did. But it's the scale. The magnitude of debt that has been dumped on the PTI government. This infographic should make it abundantly clear. And if does not, nothing will.
* He said that in next two years, Pakistan need to pay back $40 billion loan which looks horrible
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/dr-h...-below-poverty-line-in-next-2-fiscals.616550/
Tell me which government in Pakistan, in Europe makes 'short claims'?why made tall claims to gain votes when knew that economy is in poor shape and will not let these happen
Imran khan said that he is different than others. Main qoum se hamesha sach bolohoon ga. You should have realistic goals that you can achieveTell me which government in Pakistan, in Europe makes 'short claims'?
I don't know how much truth is there in your stats . I have seen debate about economy between politicians(PTI vs PML(N) vs PPP) where they were all brining their own number and stats to prove how good they were as compare to others . Its easy to manipulate stats. Previous government did not delivered because of which people rejected them and gave chance to PTI. Now its time for pti to deliver. They should more concern about what will be the magnitude of loans/debt for next government? otherwise Next government will be blaming PTI in same way as PTI is blaming previous government. Nawaz was blaming Zaradri ..zardari was blaming mushraraf and this trend will continue for infinite periodAnd you slipped past the central point. Yes, previous governments inherited debt but this time the magnitude is on scale never seen before. You can see the chart and tell me which government faced a ountain as large as PTI?