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DR. A.Q Khan and ISLAMIC BOMB

Eh, a new idea is an extremely rare thing, and usually it turns out to be useless. Developing nations cannot afford to pay people accumulate "useless" knowledge, so they use the ideas they know work. It is not worth the effort to accuse a nation of stealing it's knowledge, but it is worth it to accuse individuals of sharing what should be a state secret with destabilizing and generally negative forces.

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What is destabilization by your standards.........

An Islamic nation getting a Bomb......... An anti US country getting a Bomb.....


Keep in mind that these nations are not against any Religions or People of US .......Its the US policies they are against.........what US thinks is right for the world and the rest can go to Hell.......... Then one day hell will broke on US also eventually.......... Its the Non - Just non polifiration attitude of US that led for Russians ( they were the ones with US to balance the Power shift so i leave them) Britian the First one to Follow........ with support from stolen research and other things........France was the next and China followed ..........WHY............becuase all these countries had the resources to do so .............NO NO.. Because they felt left alone in dark and cannot see who and when can come and end their lives without knowing who killed them.........They did it because they didnot wanted to be Manupilated by US and Russian for the right to exist and freedom to do what they think is right and not the otherway around........ Same is true with IRAN, North Korea and Others ........ You people i think donot know about the capabilities of Brazil..Include it also as a future contendor ........So these all nations donot want to attack US ...........they only want a deterrent so that they are not dictated how to live .........LIVE AND LET LIVE is written in BOLD on WMD...
 
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As far as I am aware, North Korea has not done anything productive or friendly with any of its neighbors in the last 50 years, and is at war with one of them. There are political prison camps as large as many medium sized cities in North Korea. The populace is barely able to feed itself because of the destructive policies of a hereditary ruler whose sanity has often been called into question. Giving such a leader a nuclear weapon is negligent at best, genocidal at worst. South Korea certainly dose not have a nuclear weapon. Why? Because they know that any nuclear war with its neighbor to the north would merely result in the total destruction of both nations, and a few million citizens of other countries to boot. The world would have been better off had nuclear weapons never been developed, but since they were, is it too much to ask for people who develop them not to hand them over to psychotics?

The blame for introducing nuclear weapons into the subcontinent in the first place lies with the Indians, so I certainly understand the reaction of Pakistan by developing nuclear weapons as a second strike ability. The issue the US has with Dr. Khan is that he then proceeded to share that technology with a nation it is STILL CURRENTLY AT WAR WITH.

The reason I'm having this conversation at all is that you seem to think the U.S has an issue with an Islamic country having a nuclear weapon. It does, but only in as much as it has a problem with any non-aligned country having nuclear technology. The US is unhappy with Khan because he gave weapons technology to a leader who obviously unconcerned with the welfare of his people, and who the U.S is still technically in a war with. Pakistanis would be equally unhappy with the U.S should it give stealth technology to the Indians, and understandably so. The addition of stealth technology into the Indian arsenal would destabilize the current strategical paradigm, and possibly precipitate a war. For this reason (and the fact that the US does not want to loose its trump card) this obviously won't happen anytime soon.

After thinking over the situation, I can see why Dr. Khan is viewed as a hero. Since the Indians had already developed nukes, the population of Pakistan was desperately afraid of having terms dictated to it and being permanently in the shadow of its larger neighbor. This is very different from how the weapons were developed originally in the U.S.

On the issue of non-proliferation in general. The more weapons in existence, the greater the probability of their deployment by someone who dose not give a flying f**k what happens to his country after the fact. Be it a terrorist or simply a psycho.

Well anywho, now that I have been a front man for the U.S position on this subject, let it be known that I as an individual disagree with plenty of the policies the U.S has. Please do not associate my expression of the rationale behind U.S foreign policy as my personal beliefs unless I explicitly state it as so. (Note, that on this issue I pretty much side with the state department;)
 
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Hi,

Now is a good time to understand that sanctions work differently with different races of people and secondly.

Sanctions are brutal---it is just like some ancient king puts his estranged lover in the prison and then cuts off the regular food supply to a minimum---to subjugate and bring her down to her knees.

Dr Khan is such a big hype---this guy sold third rate out of date equipment to the iranians and the libyans. When they found out that they had been duped by the " Great Metallurgist" for millions and millions of dollars, they went mad and in order to bring him down, leaked out the information to the west.

But pakistani govt and also the pakistanis should also take some kind of blame for their non-chalant attitude towards this issue.

Pakistanis still cannot comprehend the ownership and responsibility that comes with owning these nukes. Most pakistanis and lot of the memebrs on this board as well as myself have openly bragged about being nuclear and have not missed any oppurtunity to tell the world that we will use them.

Regardless of what the situation is---either we are attacked or we are decimated----the world does not want to hear that they have to die as well, alongwith us.

It seems like that pakistan will definitely be de-fanged if the situation remains as such. The house is already divided---nobody wants to make a compromise to make pakistan first.

It is Nawaz Sharif whose ego is first and foremost, it is Benazir whose bribery cases are first, the lawyers don't want to do their jobs that they have been paid to do, the ex judges had their own personal agendas----there are cases lying in the courts for 10, 20, 30 and 40 plus years and no justice has been done. Nobody knows where Imran Khan is going to take a stand----this house is totally divided---people have lost their common sense and at every oppurtunity we have----the reporters will ask the question and the politicians will respond----we will break the opponents face----we will snap their eyes out----nobody is telling the pakistanis that barking animals seldom bite----.

The world is setting up a trap for us-----a deep and deadly one at that----they will remove our fangs one way or other---unless we can suddenly understand the re-percussions and immediately change our positions.
 
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How you helped build Pakistan's bomb
By Catherine Collins and Douglas Frantz

Globalization, what a concept. You can get a burger prepared your way practically anywhere in the world. The Nike Swoosh appears at elite athletic venues across the United States and on the skinny frames of T-shirted children playing in the streets of Kolkata. For those interested in buying an American automobile, a word of warning: it is not so unusual to find more "American content" in a Japanese car than one built by one of Detroit's Big Three.

So don't kid yourself about the Pakistani bomb. From burgers to bombs, globalization has had an impact. Pakistan's nuclear arsenal - as many as 120 weapons - is no more Pakistani than your television set is Japanese. Or is that American? It was a concept developed in one country and, for the most part, built in another. Its creation was an example of globalization before the term was even coined.

So where to begin? Some argue that Pakistan started down the nuclear road under president Dwight D Eisenhower's 1953 Atoms for Peace program, billed as a humanitarian gesture aimed at sharing the peaceful potential of atomic energy with the world. But Atoms for Peace was a misnomer - a plan to divert growing domestic and international concern over radioactive fallout from America's nuclear tests. It would prove to be a White House public relations campaign to dwarf all others.

In fact, Atoms for Peace educated thousands of scientists from around the world in nuclear science and then dispatched them home, where many later pursued secret weapons programs. Among them were Israelis, South Africans, Pakistanis and Indians.

Homi Sethna, chairman of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission, spelled out the program's impact after his country tested its first nuclear device in 1974. "I can say with confidence," he wrote, "that the initial [Atoms for Peace program] cooperation agreement itself has been the bedrock on which our nuclear program has been built".

If you think that India's program, in turn, did not inspire Pakistan's, think again.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the late Pakistani prime minister and father of Benazir Bhutto, first talked publicly about nuclear weapons in the early 1960s when he was Pakistan's energy minister. In his 1967 autobiography, Bhutto wrote, "All wars of our age have become total wars ... and our plans should, therefore, include the nuclear deterrent." But Pakistan's generals rejected his ideas, arguing that the cost of producing a nuclear bomb would cut too deeply into spending on conventional weapons. It wasn't until after Bhutto became prime minister that he officially launched Pakistan's nuclear weapons program in 1972.

Consider here, yet another atomic beginning: Pakistan, a poor, backward country, with little indigenous technical or industrial infrastructure, made next to no progress on the nuclear front, despite Bhutto's enthusiasm, until the arrival of Abdul Qadeer Khan at the end of 1975.

The Indian-born Khan had fled his home in Bhopal in the 1950s to settle in the new state of Pakistan. There, he went to university, quickly becoming frustrated by the lack of opportunity. Study and advanced degrees in Europe followed until, finally, Khan found himself working at the Physics Dynamics Research Laboratory in Amsterdam in the spring of 1972.

At the time, powerful companies like Westinghouse and General Electric controlled the facilities that provided enriched uranium to civilian reactors throughout the Western world. In 1971, in an effort to protect the fledgling US commercial nuclear industry, president Richard Nixon had ordered that the closely guarded enrichment technology not be shared with any other country, not even allies.

That led other nations to begin developing their own enrichment technology to ensure continual access to an adequate fuel supply. The lab where Khan was employed, known by its Dutch initials FDO, was the in-house research facility for a Dutch conglomerate that worked closely with Urenco, a consortium formed by the governments of Britain, West Germany and the Netherlands to design and manufacture centrifuges.

To cut right to the chase, Khan, who was able to work at the lab without serious scrutiny from the Dutch security police, found that he had easy access to the latest uranium-enrichment technology. Within three years, he had left the lab - in possession of plans for Europe's most advanced centrifuge and a shopping list of relevant equipment manufacturers, experts for hire, and sources for the necessary raw materials to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb, all scattered across the globe.

Before leaving the lab, Khan wrote to prime minister Bhutto offering his services, and he returned to Pakistan to launch that country's own uranium-enrichment laboratory.

FDO was just the start of Khan's reliance on the outside world for bomb-making help. With the support of Pakistani scientists and military officers working undercover as "diplomats" at the country's missions around the world, he set up what became known as "the Pakistani pipeline", securing high-tech equipment from literally hundreds of companies in 20 or more countries.

While some of this is well known, a series of little-publicized letters between Khan and a Canadian-Pakistani engineer, Aziz Abdul Khan, in 1978 and 1979 offer a revealing look at the degree to which globalization shaped Pakistan's nuclear program. The so-called Islamic bomb turns out not to be an indigenous product, but instead a little bit American, Canadian, Swiss, German, Dutch, British, Japanese and even Russian.

Aziz Khan was one of dozens of Pakistani scientists living abroad whom Khan tried to recruit for what he described as a "project of national importance". According to the letters between them, while Aziz Khan declined the offer, he agreed to provide A Q Khan with scientific literature and to spend his vacations at A Q Khan's laboratory outside Islamabad, training and mentoring young engineers.

We obtained the letters - which cover the comings and goings of nuclear experts from nine different countries - from an American government official, who, in turn, received them from Canadian law-enforcement officers after they were taken from Aziz Khan following his arrest in Montreal in 1980.

These exchanges provide a rare behind-the-scenes glimpse into Khan's nuclear Wal-Mart in its infancy, long before he began peddling his finished wares to Iran, North Korea and Libya. After a decade of diplomatic rhetoric about the need to stop the spread of nuclear technology, they also offer a window into the
ineffectiveness of American and European export controls. By setting these letters - often colorfully translated from Urdu by the Canadian authorities - against the backdrop of the news coverage of the time, you can see just how disturbingly international the assistance was that Khan received.

Buying 'ducks' from Russia
It was an exciting time for Pakistan's fledgling nuclear program. On June 4, 1978, A Q Khan wrote to Aziz Khan, describing early tests of his centrifuge designs, referring to the process of substituting helium for uranium gas as putting "air in the machine".

"June 4 is a historical day for us. On that day we put 'air' in the machine and the first time we got the right product and its efficiency was the same as the theoretical ... As you have seen, my team consists of crazy people. They do not care if it is day or night. They go after it with all their might. The bellows have arrived and like this we can increase the speed of our work."

Khan's international nuclear shopping spree was soon on display as he wrote proudly to his Canadian friend just a week later to recount the trip made by a member of his clandestine procurement network to Japan to obtain some critical, though unexplained help. "Colonel Majeed is back from Japan and thanks God all the problems have been solved. Next month the Japanese would come here and all the work would be done under their supervision."

The following month, he wrote Aziz Khan about one of his Pakistani proteges: "Dr Mirza is back from America. He had gone to get the training for the control room of the air-conditioning plant." In the same letter, he announced that "the plant of Switzerland has arrived", probably a reference to a specialized pumping system to move uranium gas in and out of the centrifuges during enrichment.

In August, the scientist told Aziz Khan that Colonel Majeed was on the road again, "leaving for Germany, England and Switzerland. He would be looking for cable and sub panels. Our friend from Kuwait will join us in November and in this way we will not have to worry about generators and emergency power supply. He has 15 years' experience." Within weeks, Khan wrote enthusiastically that "a German team was here. After staying five days, they went back. It was quite a busy time."

A Q Khan was also in the hunt himself. Mentioning that he had sent a cable to California, he wrote in the autumn of 1978, "If our two units are ready, then myself and Dr Mirza would come for thanks and maybe we could meet you." The "two units" was probably a reference to two huge air-conditioners that Khan bought from an unidentified US company.

In the spring of 1979, Khan would explain: "Dr Alam, Dr Hashmi and myself are going to Germany and Switzerland for two or three days. We have to buy some material there and then we will return through London."

Khan's project was seen abroad as a potentially profitable market, and the Russians, too, were rushing to sell their wares. Using a primitive code, Khan wrote: "Hopefully, in winter there will be ducks from Russia. This is a big job. Now the emergency generators are going to be installed very soon."

But all was not perfect. During the summer of 1978, a British member of Parliament asked why a British subsidiary of the American Emerson Electric Co was selling Pakistan the same high frequency inverter that Britain was using in its own uranium-enrichment project - and by the autumn, shipments to Pakistan had been stopped. Khan complained that a German supplier had tipped the British off when he did not get the nod on a business deal.

"That man from the German team was unethical. When he did not get the order from us, he wrote a letter to a Labour Party member and questions were asked in Parliament. Work is still progressing satisfactorily but the frustration is increasing. It is just like a man who waited for 30 years but cannot wait for a few hours after the marriage ceremony."

By the spring of the following year, Khan's team was feeling the strain. He once again wrote Aziz Khan about his troubles in a clumsy code: "For such a long time, no one has taken a single day's holiday. Everybody is working very hard so that by the end of the year, the factory should start working and should start providing cake and bread. Here there is shortage of food and we need those things very badly. From everywhere our food is being stopped."

Khan's success in obtaining nuclear material abroad did not go unnoticed. American intelligence watched his procurement operation and US officials occasionally complained in public, prompting Aziz Khan to write in June 1979: "There is no doubt that you guys made people here sleepless ... These days you are famous all over the world."

In August of 1979, still struggling, Khan wrote his friend of a deal that he could not consummate in Canada, probably a reference to difficulties in obtaining a specialized type of inverter essential to operating the uranium enrichment plant.

"You must be reading that your countrymen have decided to drink our blood. The way they are after us, it looks as if we have killed their mother. Their building of castles in the air has beaten the Arabian Nights. There is lots of pressure, but I have trust in God in doing my work. I am thinking, if I finish this job, then I would solve the purpose of my life."

Khan did indeed overcome the obstacles - with plenty of help from his friends around the world. And he had learned his lesson well. When he was finished helping Pakistan build its bomb, he turned his talents to another kind of globalization - marketing his wares, and those of his associates from Europe, Asia and South Africa, to a new set of clients.

Douglas Frantz, the former managing editor of the Los Angeles Times and a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist, is a senior writer at Conde Nast Portfolio. Catherine Collins, a former Chicago Tribune reporter, is now a Washington-based writer.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - How the world helped Pakistan build its bomb
 
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India created its own? didn't it? :lol:

SHOW ME WHERE I SAID IT DID. First of all don't put words into my mouth.
Secondly, my sentence "and it went on" clearly implies that IMO every country's nuclear weapons today owe their existence to the first nuke project.
 
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The fact that most of the pakistani members are ignoring...

1. Clear links between a scientist,head of plutonium programme and later detained by GoP, at KRL had very close links to alquaeda.

Now if tomorrow, Osama boms a city with a dirty bomb who will be responsible?

2. A hero is one who gives fame, u accept it or not he has given the biggest defame to pakistan.

3. He even made deals with North Korea a NON Islamic country and which seriously threatens peaceful countries like japan, again the power of north korea, the power challeneging the global security is dr. Khan.

4. If dr. Khan is a true hero, why did he took the blame on himself?

5. If musharraf is to be blames then whats going on in ur country..
If Ur most patriotic citizen, natioal hero is forced to do what he did on tv, isnt it questioanble that truth and light is too far off?

Having natioalist perceptions is good.
Dr. Definately did good to pakistan but in the process he did the greatest harm to Humanity.

Feel free to disagree.
 
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@ XiNiX,

Now there is a fine fellow, but why this three year old itch. ??
 
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However, the reality that it was shared with North Korea, Iran and Libya as per the international media and other reports.

Notwithstanding, it is but natural that AQ Khan should be a hero in Pakistan and should be treated so, even if others feel otherwise.

I would also give credit to Zulfikar Bhutto for the bomb. He may not be a hero to many, but it was his steadfast resolve to have the bomb ('Pakistan will eat grass' speech) that ensured that AQ Khan was extended all assistance and guidance to obtain the same!

Surprise, Surprise,
That we do have Indians like you. . . . :rolleyes:
Because its not quite often you hear some positive words by an Indian against Pakistan or Pakistani`s.
 
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I don't see why he should remain a hero after he's been proven to have stolen the plans and run a nuclear racket.

He's nothing but a high-level crook. Is he the type of person Pakistanis are supposed to look up to has heroes? If so, I'm not exactly sure what sort of message you are sending out to the people of Pakistan.

Everything is fear in Love and War. We had to get it, by hook or by crook. Dr. Qadeer did it for us/Pakistan and YES he is our hero - an inspirational one indeed.
 
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