DPC, Khatm-e-Nabuwwat condemn arrest of blasphemy accused girl: Report

[SHAMK9]

Sir rules of Islam are very clear and no body can defeat Islam Sir Islam is growing and will keep growing and Sir those who convert know all these things still they convert because they know the evils of their society and that Islam is the only solution for humanity Sir and Islam law is clear that who ever will commit blashmey will be killed


Punishment is not the same because of difference between Islam and Kufr the truth and a lie who ever will commit blashmey of any of the PROPHET SAW or Quran he will be killed and if a Muslim makes fun of other religions he will be punished but not capital punishment

and what if for example a Muslim destroys lets say a bible, shouldn't there be a punishment for that too?

 

[Zarvan]

and what if for example a Muslim destroys lets say a bible, shouldn't there be a punishment for that too?

Punishment but it can't be death Sir because according to our Iman Bible has been changed much but it should be really harsh punishment when it comes to other Holy Books other than the Quran may be 100 lashes if some one is hit with real lashes 100 hard to survive because we believe some part can be word of ALLAH in Bible and Torah

 

[rohailmalhi]

Its a truth and all Hadees books are filled with it

Y dont you quote us with those ahadiths so that we know what are you talking about.

All I know is that minorities should be given the right to defend themselves. The laws should be there at all cost but it has to be modified so that the person who is going to accuse someone knows that it will be his neck in the rope if he falsely accuses someone of blasphemy.

PS : On a side note these chain of incident which seem to be orchestrated and then given a hype by our media to an extend that it bring nothing but shame to Pakistan and its People . On every incident US Govt start pouring out their venom on Pakistan.As if they want to completely break us from the inside like destroy our souls that there is no hope for Pakistan and It is a failed terror sponsoring state and nothing else................ Question is Y Pakistan ? Just give it a thought.

May Allah protect Pakistan from every kind of harm whether internal or external.Ameen

 

[Zarvan]

Y dont you quote us with those ahadiths so that we know what are you talking about.

All I know is that minorities should be given the right to defend themselves. The laws should be there at all cost but it has to be modified so that the person who is going to accuse someone knows that it will be his neck in the rope if he falsely accuses someone of blasphemy.

PS : On a side note these chain of incident which seem to be orchestrated and then given a hype by our media to an extend that it bring nothing but shame to Pakistan and its People . On every incident US Govt start pouring out their venom on Pakistan.As if they want to completely break us from the inside like destroy our souls that there is no hope for Pakistan and It is a failed terror sponsoring state and nothing else................ Question is Y Pakistan ? Just give it a thought.

May Allah protect Pakistan from every kind of harm whether internal or external.Ameen

Read Post number 82 I have quoted their Hadees read them and yes same punishment should be for the one who falsely accuses some one and he should be killed in the same area

 

[Ahmad]

Punishment is not the same because of difference between Islam and Kufr the truth and a lie who ever will commit blashmey of any of the PROPHET SAW or Quran he will be killed and if a Muslim makes fun of other religions he will be punished but not capital punishment

Well, you have given this answer before, but i asked the question from other people who are pro blasphemy law, and my question is still unanswered.

 

[Sugarcane]

I asked something from Zarvan only to get the usual reply, so i wont ask him again and ask the same question from other people who are pro blasphemy law. Why there is no same punishment for those who commit blasphemy against other religions?

33:6
اَلنَّبِیُّ اَوۡلٰی بِالۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ وَ اَزۡوَاجُہٗۤ اُمَّہٰتُہُمۡ ؕ وَ اُولُوا الۡاَرۡحَامِ بَعۡضُہُمۡ اَوۡلٰی بِبَعۡضٍ فِیۡ کِتٰبِ اللّٰہِ مِنَ الۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ وَ الۡمُہٰجِرِیۡنَ اِلَّاۤ اَنۡ تَفۡعَلُوۡۤا اِلٰۤی اَوۡلِیٰٓئِکُمۡ مَّعۡرُوۡفًا ؕ کَانَ ذٰلِکَ فِی الۡکِتٰبِ مَسۡطُوۡرًا
The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers; and those having mutual kinship are closer to one another (for the purpose of inheritance) than (other) believers and emigrants according to the Book of Allah, unless you do some good to your friends (by making a will in their favor). This had been written in the Book (the Preserved Tablet).

4:65
فَلَا وَ رَبِّکَ لَا یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ حَتّٰی یُحَکِّمُوۡکَ فِیۡمَا شَجَرَ بَیۡنَہُمۡ ثُمَّ لَا یَجِدُوۡا فِیۡۤ اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَیۡتَ وَ یُسَلِّمُوۡا تَسۡلِیۡمًا
So, never by your Lord! Never shall they become believers, unless they make you the judge in the disputes that arise between them, then find no discomfort in their hearts against what you have decided, and surrender to it in total submission.

Both Qur'anic versus are above and not related to blasphemy and are in fact for Muslims only

 

[Zarvan]

33:6
اَلنَّبِیُّ اَوۡلٰی بِالۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ وَ اَزۡوَاجُہٗۤ اُمَّہٰتُہُمۡ ؕ وَ اُولُوا الۡاَرۡحَامِ بَعۡضُہُمۡ اَوۡلٰی بِبَعۡضٍ فِیۡ کِتٰبِ اللّٰہِ مِنَ الۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ وَ الۡمُہٰجِرِیۡنَ اِلَّاۤ اَنۡ تَفۡعَلُوۡۤا اِلٰۤی اَوۡلِیٰٓئِکُمۡ مَّعۡرُوۡفًا ؕ کَانَ ذٰلِکَ فِی الۡکِتٰبِ مَسۡطُوۡرًا
The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers; and those having mutual kinship are closer to one another (for the purpose of inheritance) than (other) believers and emigrants according to the Book of Allah, unless you do some good to your friends (by making a will in their favor). This had been written in the Book (the Preserved Tablet).

4:65
فَلَا وَ رَبِّکَ لَا یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ حَتّٰی یُحَکِّمُوۡکَ فِیۡمَا شَجَرَ بَیۡنَہُمۡ ثُمَّ لَا یَجِدُوۡا فِیۡۤ اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَیۡتَ وَ یُسَلِّمُوۡا تَسۡلِیۡمًا
So, never by your Lord! Never shall they become believers, unless they make you the judge in the disputes that arise between them, then find no discomfort in their hearts against what you have decided, and surrender to it in total submission.

Both Qur'anic versus are above and not related to blasphemy and are in fact for Muslims only

The verse in which ALLAH said that those who doesn't make you the judge in their matters are not Muslims came after HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ RA killed a Hypocrite for not accepting the decision of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

 

[Sugarcane]

The verse in which ALLAH said that those who doesn't make you the judge in their matters are not Muslims came after HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ RA killed a Hypocrite for not accepting the decision of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

Even if i accept this than He was Muslim? isn't it? and verse says that "Never shall they become believers" So - it's not for non-believer it's for believers

Tafseer Salahudin

٦٥۔١ اس آیت کا شان نزول ایک یہودی اور مسلمان کا واقعہ عموماً بیان کیا جاتا ہے جو بارگاہ رسالت سے فیصلے کے باوجود حضرت عمر رضی اللہ سے فیصلہ کروانے گیا جس پر حضرت عمر رضی اللہ عنہ نے اس مسلمان کا سر قلم کر دیا۔ لیکن سنداً یہ واقعہ صحیح نہیں ہے جیسا کہ ابن کثیر نے بھی وضاحت کی، صحیح واقعہ یہ ہے جو اس آیت کے نزول کا سبب ہے کہ حضرت زبیر رضی اللہ کا جو رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے پھوپھی زاد تھے۔ اور ایک آدمی کا کھیت کو سیراب کرنے والے (نال&#1746 کے پانی پر جھگڑا ہو گیا۔ معاملہ نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم تک پہنچا آپ نے صورت حال کاجائزہ لے کر جو فیصلہ دیا تو وہ اتفاق سے حضرت زبیر رضی اللہ کے حق میں تھا، جس پر دوسرے آدمی نے کہا کہ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے یہ فیصلہ اس لئے کیا ہے کہ وہ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کا پھوپھی زاد ہے۔ اس پر یہ آیت نازل ہوئی۔ آیت کا مطلب یہ ہوا کہ نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی کسی بات یا فیصلے سے اختلاف تو کجا دل میں انقباض بھی محسوس کرنا ایمان کے منافی ہے۔ یہ آیت منکریں حدیث کے لئے لمحہ فکریہ ہے

 

[Cheetah786]

Its a truth and all Hadees books are filled with it

Hadees you mention were written 100s of years after Prophets Deaths.

 

[Hyperion]

Zarvan will kill the rest of us by sheer stubbornness!

 

[Cheetah786]

Pakistani Muslim cleric faces possible blasphemy charge

ISLAMABAD—Pakistani police are investigating whether a Muslim cleric who allegedly tried to frame a Christian girl for blasphemy should be charged with insulting Islam himself and potentially face life in prison, a police officer said Monday.

Khalid Chisti was arrested Saturday after a member of his mosque accused him of stashing pages of a Qur’an in a Christian girl’s bag to make it seem like she burned the Islamic holy book. He allegedly planted the evidence to push Christians out of his neighbourhood in Islamabad. He has denied the allegations.

The case has generated significant international attention because of reports that the girl is as young as 11 and is mentally handicapped.

Human rights activists have long criticized Pakistan’s harsh blasphemy laws, saying they are misused to persecute non-Muslims and settle personal vendettas. They have hailed Chisti’s arrest as unprecedented and hope it will prevent false blasphemy accusations in the future.

More immediately, they have called for the release of the Christian girl, who has been held in prison for over two weeks.

She will remain in jail until at least Friday after her bail hearing was postponed for a second time Monday, said her lawyer, Tahir Naveed Chaudhry. The court adjourned the hearing until then because of a lawyers’ strike, he said.

Police registered a blasphemy case against Chisti on Monday for allegedly desecrating the Qur’an, said police officer Munir Jafferi. If he is charged by a court and convicted, he could face life in prison, said Jafferi.

A separate section of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws says insulting Islam’s Prophet Muhammad carries the death penalty.

Police are also contemplating levelling additional charges against Chisti, such as fraud, planting evidence and making false allegations, said Jafferi.

Police arrested the girl from her neighbourhood in Islamabad over two weeks after an angry mob of several hundred appeared at a local police station, demanding action against her for alleged blasphemy. Police said at the time that they took her into custody partly to protect her from potential harm.

People accused of blasphemy, even those who aren’t convicted, often face vigilante justice by outraged Pakistanis. A Pakistani man accused of blasphemy in July was dragged from a police station in the centre of the country, beaten to death and his body set on fire.

Christians in the girl’s neighbourhood left the area en masse as soon as the accusations surfaced, fearing retribution from their Muslim neighbours.

The Associated Press has withheld the girl’s name because it does not generally identify juveniles under 18 who are accused of crimes.

The girl’s supporters say she is 11 years old and has Down syndrome; a medical board said she was about 14 and that her mental age didn’t match her physical age.


This S.O.B should be torchered every day for the rest of his life but not killed his friends And family should be forced to run.then and only then he will no what he put innocent people through.

 

[Zarvan]

Hadees you mention were written 100s of years after Prophets Deaths.

Hadees were written in time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW many Sahabas Memorized it and transferred after HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and Mr you can't follow most orders of Quran without following Hadees you will not know how to offer Salah or pay Zakat or perform Hajj Sir because their details are in Hadees

I am hearing much from the liberals about the blasphemy law and that it is a man made law which has no basis in Islam. This is disappointing and clearly demonstrates a poor understanding of something which they claim to know much about.

I have therefore, for the purposes of education only, listed below some evidences below on this sensitive issue. This is not exhaustive but shows that the blasphemy law is not as clear as the liberals make it out to be.

IN NO WAY AM I SAYING THAT WHAT MALIK QADRI DID IS RIGHT. THIS IS ULTIMATELY FOR THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO DEAL WITH. IT SHOULD BE THE COURT WHICH HANDS DOWN THE PUNISHMENT AND NOT THE CITIZEN'S OF THE STATE.

THE POSITION ON BLASPHEMY

The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16

This ruling is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

In the Qur’aan it says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Qur’aan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: ‘(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.’

If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”

[al-Tawbah 9:64-66]

This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir, whether he was serious or joking.

With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas which we will quote below.

This hadeeth clearly indicates that it was permissible to kill that woman because she used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)

It seems that this woman was a kaafir, not a Muslim, for a Muslim could never do such an evil action. If she was a Muslim she would have become an apostate by this action, in which case it would not have been permissible for her master to keep her; in that case it would not have been good enough if he were to keep her and simply rebuke her.

Al-Nasaa’i narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, ‘Shall I kill him?’ He rebuked me and said, ‘That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) .’” (Saheeh al-Nasaa’i, 3795)

It may be noted from this that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had the right to kill whoever insulted him and spoke harshly to him, and that included both Muslims and kaafirs.

The second issue is: if a person who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, should his repentance be accepted or not?

The scholars are agreed that if such a person repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

But they differed as to whether his repentance should be accepted in this world and whether that means he is no longer subject to the sentence of execution.

Maalik and Ahmad were of the view that it should not be accepted, and that he should be killed even if he has repented.

They quoted as evidence the Sunnah and proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:

In the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (2683) narrated that Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqaas said: “On the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted safety to the people except for four men and two women, and he named them, and Ibn Abi Sarh… As for Ibn Abi Sarh, he hid with ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, and when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called the people to give their allegiance to him, he brought him to stand before the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, “O Prophet of Allaah, accept the allegiance of ‘Abd-Allaah.” He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him, then he accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then he turned to his companions and said: “Was there not among you any smart man who could have got up and killed this person when he saw me refusing to give him my hand and accept his allegiance?” They said, “We do not know what is in your heart, O Messenger of Allaah. Why did you not gesture to us with your eyes?” He said, “It is not befitting for a Prophet to betray a person with a gesture of his eyes.”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2334)

This clearly indicates that in a case such as this apostate who had insulted the Prophet (S), it is not obligatory to accept his repentance, rather it is permissible to kill him even if he comes repentant.

‘Abd-Allaah ibn Sa’d was one of those who used to write down the Revelation, then he apostatized and claimed that he used to add whatever he wanted to the Revelation. This was a lie and a fabrication against the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and it was a kind of insult. Then he became Muslim again and was a good Muslim, may Allaah be pleased with him. Al-Saarim 115.

With regard to proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:

They said that insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has to do with two rights, the right of Allaah and the right of a human being. With regard to the right of Allaah, this is obvious, because it is casting aspersions upon His Message, His Book and His Religion. As for the right of a human being, this is also obvious, because it is like trying to slander the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by this insult. In a case which involves both the rights of Allaah and the rights of a human being, the rights of the human beings are not dropped when the person repents, as in the case of the punishment for banditry, because if the bandit has killed someone, that means that he must be executed and crucified. But if he repents before he is caught, then the right of Allaah over him, that he should be executed and crucified, no longer applies, but the rights of other humans with regard to qisaas (retaliatory punishment) still stand. The same applies in this case. If the one who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, then the rights of Allaah no longer apply, but there remains the right of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which still stand despite his repentance.

If it is said, “Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them?” The answer is:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.

Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438

Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a valuable book on this matter, entitled al-Saarim al-Maslool ‘ala Shaatim al-Rasool which every believer should read, especially in these times when a lot of hypocrites and heretics dare to insult the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) because they see that the Muslims are careless and feel little protective jealousy towards their religion and their Prophet, and they do not implement the shar’i punishment which would deter these people and their ilk from committing this act of blatant kufr.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions
Above is another proof with more Hadees on this topic so now Muslims need to shut their mouth who are talking against Blashmey law

 

[ashokdeiva]

Oh boy, I already told you that trying to make meaningful conversations with people like ZARVAN is useless.
There are two kinds of knowledge, one is one you learn from external sources and the other is what you realize and learn from your own experiance.
a man with better understanding or usage of both the knowledge are the ones who take Civilization forward, people like ZARVAN are herds of sheep who need a sheepard because these people do not posses the second knowledge that i have mentioned above. they quote every thing from external sorces like Hadeeds or Quran, but do not apply their own mind to the reality of what is happening arround them. all they seek is eternal superiority over others and as they do not come with a means of achiving the same their infiriority complex takes over and hrul mud at others who think for themselves

 

[Zarvan]

Oh boy, I already told you that trying to make meaningful conversations with people like ZARVAN is useless.
There are two kinds of knowledge, one is one you learn from external sources and the other is what you realize and learn from your own experiance.
a man with better understanding or usage of both the knowledge are the ones who take Civilization forward, people like ZARVAN are herds of sheep who need a sheepard because these people do not posses the second knowledge that i have mentioned above. they quote every thing from external sorces like Hadeeds or Quran, but do not apply their own mind to the reality of what is happening arround them. all they seek is eternal superiority over others and as they do not come with a means of achiving the same their infiriority complex takes over and hrul mud at others who think for themselves

Mr because these sources are perfect and when some issue is clear on these Muslims have to only follow them but when issue is not clear than we decide it in the light of Quran and Sunnah no human know better than ALLAH and his PROPHET SAW Sir you Indians are the most complexed nation so you should no talk about this

 

[ashokdeiva]

Mr because these sources are perfect and when some issue is clear on these Muslims have to only follow them but when issue is not clear than we decide it in the light of Quran and Sunnah no human know better than ALLAH and his PROPHET SAW Sir you Indians are the most complexed nation so you should no talk about this

the world and the intelects that the world has contributed know what is right and what is wrong.