Doubts arise about Indian ABM

[Dazzler]

And your point being? Anyway, the entire procurement details are mostly classified. So, I don't think neither of us have any credible source to back the claim. Though S-300 associate systems were spotted in Delhi.

Sounds strange as most procurements are loudly announced, even those that are not yet inducted, like S400.

Anyway, has the system engaged any solid fueled missiles yet?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Sounds strange as most procurements are loudly announced, even those that are not yet inducted, like S400.

Anyway, has the system engaged any solid fueled missiles yet?

Not always, we are talking about 1999-2000. Only two or three media sources. One is state controlled, and most defense and government announcement were through it. Much less PR. There wasn't a RTI(Right To Information) act at the time. Now every procurement, is publicized.

Anyway, has the system engaged any solid fueled missiles yet?

Probably with the S-300 to protect the strategic locations. The deal happened somewhere at the time you guys deployed DF-11

 

[ashok321]

Why flog the dead horse?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indias-ballistic-missile-defense-trials-were-rigged.481627/

 

[ghazi768]

Read again. Mod still has to see any actual evidence of Indian ABM hitting an incoming missile. Also they have doubts about ABM credibility as told by DRDO

I remembered reading an assessment that original prithvi was made from re-purposed SA-2 rocket motors when it was developed. Now a repurposed prithivi looks as slow as original SA-2...

 

[Thorough Pro]

To assess the indian ABM systems reliability we need to look at the history of their military development

Tejas fighter - concept 1969, work 1983 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in service
Arjun Tank - concept 1972, work 1996 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in real service, limited numbers inducted
Naag Anti tank guided missile - work 1983 (cost so far US$ 50 million +) status not known
Nirbhay cruise missile - work 2000 (cost US$ 15 million +) failed
Astra air to air missile - work 2000? (cost ??) not in service

 

[ashok321]

To assess the indian ABM systems reliability we need to look at the history of their military development

Tejas fighter - concept 1969, work 1983 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in service
Arjun Tank - concept 1972, work 1996 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in real service, limited numbers inducted
Naag Anti tank guided missile - work 1983 (cost so far US$ 50 million +) status not known
Nirbhay cruise missile - work 2000 (cost US$ 15 million +) failed
Astra air to air missile - work 2000? (cost ??) not in service

India does not have money.
Hence DRDO does not get enough funds.

 

[Panzerkampf]

To assess the indian ABM systems reliability we need to look at the history of their military development

Tejas fighter - concept 1969, work 1983 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in service
Arjun Tank - concept 1972, work 1996 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in real service, limited numbers inducted
Naag Anti tank guided missile - work 1983 (cost so far US$ 50 million +) status not known
Nirbhay cruise missile - work 2000 (cost US$ 15 million +) failed
Astra air to air missile - work 2000? (cost ??) not in service

Pakistan does not have any indigenous tank, plane or missile.
Al Khalid is nothing but MbT 2000
JFT is all Chinas with almost zero Pak tech
Babur is chinse hn-1B

 

[Yaseen1]

india will be soon disintegrate

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Sounds strange as most procurements are loudly announced, even those that are not yet inducted, like S400.

Anyway, has the system engaged any solid fueled missiles yet?

We call it Freedom of Thoughts and Expressions.

How does solid fuel missile any different than liquid fuel missile once the missile is in mid or terminal phase. S-400 cannot intercept a missile that has NOT been launched which is where solid and liquid phase missiles differ.

 

[MULUBJA]

India's MoD demands early induction of ballistic missile defense system

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, May 18, 2017 (Photo Credit: Raveendran/AFP via Getty Images)




NEW DELHI — To ensure the early induction of India's homemade ballistic missile defense system, the country's Ministry of Defence has directed the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organization to urgently submit a final induction strategy and timeline for the BMD system.




A senior MoD official said the ministry "is even considering to carry out an audit of DRDO claims about the performance of the tests."




Despite tall claims made by DRDO five years ago regarding completion of the first phase, there remains no word from the agency on the project's completion, the MoD official added. DRDO has been developing the indigenous BMD system since 1995.




It was in the wake of the system's delay that India last year cleared the $5 billion purchase of S-400 air defense systems from Russia; however, the final contract is yet to be inked.




DRDO had earlier said that by 2012 or 2013, the first phase of the BMD shield would be ready to protect New Delhi from hostile missiles with a 2,000-kilometer range. It also boasted that by 2016, the second phase would be operational, allowing the system to kill hostile missiles with a 5,000-kilometer range.




Regarding a potential audit of the authenticity of DRDO's BMD system claims based on a variety of tests, Mahindra Singh, a retired Indian Army major general, said: "It is important to know whether the interceptor missile hit the incoming missile during trials because a remote fuze can also detonate the incoming missile, and there is no guarantee whether the incoming missile [was] actually hit by the interceptor missile."




In February this year, a top DRDO scientist said the homegrown anti-ballistic missile Prithvi Defence Vehicle, or PDV, traveling at supersonic speed destroyed a target at an altitude of 97 kilometers in the exo-atmospheric region. The PDV interceptor missile is capable of killing an incoming missile with a strike range of around 2,000 kilometers outside the Earth's atmosphere.




PDV is said to be an upgraded interceptor missile with a range of 50-150 kilometers and is set to will replace the Prithvi Air Defence missile, which has a range of 80 kilometers.




DRDO has successfully test-fired both exo-atmospheric and endo-atmospheric interceptor ballistic missiles.





India's BMD system consists of a long-range tracking radar developed in partnership with Israeli company Elta. It is based on the company's EL/M-2080 Green Pine radar used in conjunction with Israel's anti-ballistic missile system Arrow.




The second component of India's BMD system is the computerized command and control system that plots and predicts the intruding missile's flight path and assigns interceptor missiles to destroy it.




The third component is the interceptor missiles and includes the exo-atmospheric missiles as well as the endo-atmospheric missiles, which can kill an incoming missile at a distance of up to 40 kilometers.

Doubts are raised against THAAD also. What is there in doubts?

India's BMD has a very high kill rate and no MD in the world is fool proof.

 

[Thorough Pro]

That was neither the point nor the topic of discussion of this thread.

Pakistan does not have any indigenous tank, plane or missile.
Al Khalid is nothing but MbT 2000
JFT is all Chinas with almost zero Pak tech
Babur is chinse hn-1B

 

[Ultima Thule]

Pakistan does not have any indigenous tank, plane or missile.
Al Khalid is nothing but MbT 2000
JFT is all Chinas with almost zero Pak tech
Babur is chinse hn-1B

Ok now you are happy now go to sleep

Doubts are raised against THAAD also. What is there in doubts?

India's BMD has a very high kill rate and no MD in the world is fool proof.

Les 10% i would say, US develop MID-COURSE missile defense with a success ratio is less than 50%, for example Russian fires 100 ICBM toward US so their MID-COURSE missile defense can intercept less than 50 Russian ICBM your ABM capabilities is less than American

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan does not have any indigenous tank, plane or missile.
Al Khalid is nothing but MbT 2000
JFT is all Chinas with almost zero Pak tech
Babur is chinse hn-1B

Lol......lol......lol..............reminds when all indians were claiming pre-May 1998 that it is impossible for Pakistan to ever become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance......lol.......lol........

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

India's MoD demands early induction of ballistic missile defense system

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, May 18, 2017 (Photo Credit: Raveendran/AFP via Getty Images)




NEW DELHI — To ensure the early induction of India's homemade ballistic missile defense system, the country's Ministry of Defence has directed the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organization to urgently submit a final induction strategy and timeline for the BMD system.




A senior MoD official said the ministry "is even considering to carry out an audit of DRDO claims about the performance of the tests."




Despite tall claims made by DRDO five years ago regarding completion of the first phase, there remains no word from the agency on the project's completion, the MoD official added. DRDO has been developing the indigenous BMD system since 1995.




It was in the wake of the system's delay that India last year cleared the $5 billion purchase of S-400 air defense systems from Russia; however, the final contract is yet to be inked.




DRDO had earlier said that by 2012 or 2013, the first phase of the BMD shield would be ready to protect New Delhi from hostile missiles with a 2,000-kilometer range. It also boasted that by 2016, the second phase would be operational, allowing the system to kill hostile missiles with a 5,000-kilometer range.




Regarding a potential audit of the authenticity of DRDO's BMD system claims based on a variety of tests, Mahindra Singh, a retired Indian Army major general, said: "It is important to know whether the interceptor missile hit the incoming missile during trials because a remote fuze can also detonate the incoming missile, and there is no guarantee whether the incoming missile [was] actually hit by the interceptor missile."




In February this year, a top DRDO scientist said the homegrown anti-ballistic missile Prithvi Defence Vehicle, or PDV, traveling at supersonic speed destroyed a target at an altitude of 97 kilometers in the exo-atmospheric region. The PDV interceptor missile is capable of killing an incoming missile with a strike range of around 2,000 kilometers outside the Earth's atmosphere.




PDV is said to be an upgraded interceptor missile with a range of 50-150 kilometers and is set to will replace the Prithvi Air Defence missile, which has a range of 80 kilometers.




DRDO has successfully test-fired both exo-atmospheric and endo-atmospheric interceptor ballistic missiles.





India's BMD system consists of a long-range tracking radar developed in partnership with Israeli company Elta. It is based on the company's EL/M-2080 Green Pine radar used in conjunction with Israel's anti-ballistic missile system Arrow.




The second component of India's BMD system is the computerized command and control system that plots and predicts the intruding missile's flight path and assigns interceptor missiles to destroy it.




The third component is the interceptor missiles and includes the exo-atmospheric missiles as well as the endo-atmospheric missiles, which can kill an incoming missile at a distance of up to 40 kilometers.

An article.. a doctored title and a troll fest... much a do over nothing.

 

[assassin123]

To assess the indian ABM systems reliability we need to look at the history of their military development

Tejas fighter - concept 1969, work 1983 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in service
Arjun Tank - concept 1972, work 1996 (cost so far US$ 1 billion +) not in real service, limited numbers inducted
Naag Anti tank guided missile - work 1983 (cost so far US$ 50 million +) status not known
Nirbhay cruise missile - work 2000 (cost US$ 15 million +) failed
Astra air to air missile - work 2000? (cost ??) not in service

First make something on your own and then try lecturing us. When you start making stuff on your on their will be always development hurdles. all the things mentioned above are done by us for the first time. Atleast we learned something while doing these and we will be able to develop new systems in the future taking lessons from earlier projects.
When ISRO launched their first missions there were a lot of failures they learned from their mistakes and they are among the top space organisations in the world.
ISRO launch vehicles now have a reliability of 98%.