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Don’t go back to those dirty Indians’: The marines’ case fuels fascist sentiments in Italy
Right-wing vitriol has worsened since the medical leave of one of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen was extended.
Carlo Pizzati · Today · 09:15 am
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Photo Credit:AFP/STR
A strange combination of oddities is reawakening the world of right-wing and post-fascist sentiments among some Italians. Odd nativity statuettes, imaginary flying luckdragons, threats of stealing the Indian flag, racist insults and much more are being employed as the result of the drawn-out story of two Italian marines to be tried in India for allegedly killing two fishermen off Kerala’s coast four years ago.

Last month, two miniature plastic soldiers appeared in a nativity scene that was photographed and circulated widely on social media and in the Italian press. Hovering above baby Jesus, next to Mary and rubbing elbows with Saint Joseph were two characters who couldn’t possibly have lived 2015 years ago in Bethlehem. They were dressed in modern Italian marine fatigues and standing erect and proud, as if they were sailing on a giant aircraft carrier. It was Giorgia Meloni, leader of the right-wing Brothers of Italy party, who had decided that figurines of the two Italian marines deserved a place of honour at the heart of a much-revered Italian Christmas tradition.

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Giorgia Meloni, leader of Brothers of Italy, with figurines of the Italian marines.
Further trouble came in the form of Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of the extreme right-wing group New Force. “We will steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome and we will cause a diplomatic incident,” he thundered. Such chest-thumping was not uncommon in the Italian fascist and neo-fascist tradition about 100 years ago, but they still survive in some quarters.

These fascists have a soft, dreamy side too. Since the marines’ nativity gimmick didn’t work so well, Brothers of Italy launched a new campaign. It plastered the streets of Rome and parts of Italy with the image of the two marines riding on the back of Falkor, a “luckdragon” from the German fantasy novelThe Neverending Story. “Let’s bring them home,” exhorted the poster against the backdrop of a blue sky filled with scattered clouds, and ended with the comment, “Italy takes off."

In fact, Italy is not taking off, and neither are the two marines.

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Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of New Force, has threatened to steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome.
Going nowhere

One of them, the taciturn Massimiliano Latorre, who had returned temporarily to his homeland of Puglia after suffering a stroke, will not take off for Delhi on January 15, as originally planned. This week an Italian senator announced he would not be sent back at all. Shortly after, on the same day, the Supreme Court of India granted Latorre an extension till April 30 on medical grounds. The Kerala government and some Congress leaders were not pleased. “Sad and unfortunate,” was how Charles George, convenor of the Kerala Fisheries Coordinating Committee, described the leniency.

What about the other marine who is still under house arrest at the Italian embassy in Delhi? Salvatore Girone is “coming back on February 30”, said an angry commentator upon hearing the news of Latorre’s extension. In fact, he’s not taking off either. Girone is staying put, regardless of the fact that a defence committee in Italy announced he would be returning soon.

In the past few weeks the Italian government has asked a new International Court to apply “urgent measures” to bring Girone back to Italy, after the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in Hamburg rejected a similar plea. The International Tribunal is still evaluating the case in its entirety.

I guess you would expect a bit of gratitude from Italians for a decision that allows a sick man to stay in his own country longer than originally granted. But this infuriated commentators all over right-wing blogs and social networks. “Those primordial types are making fun of us,” wrote Salvatore Zambrino. Spurted Domenico Libri on his Facebook page, “Don’t go back to those dirty Indians."

Ruined conversations, relations

It must be remembered that up until the 1940s, crowds of Fascists would march on Italian streets singing these words with Ethiopians in mind: “You little black face, pretty Abyssinian, just wait and hope, the time is nearing, when we will be next to you, we will give you another Duce and another King.” Of course, things went south quite fast for Italians in their colonial war in Africa, and a few years later Italians were hanging their Duce upside down in Milan and bludgeoning him and his mistress to death, but that’s another story for another time. In today’s Italy, racist comments against refugees are heard regularly on television, and it is not rare for hooligans in football stadiums to hum racist chants against African and Arab players, despite the reprimand and fine that follows.

Sitting around a festive dinner table a few days ago, I told my nephew that the surest way to revive a languishing conversation in Italy these days is to say, “E i marò?,” which in English means “how about those marines?” The issue of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen seems a sure-fire way to get people talking. I was, unfortunately, right. The dinner was almost ruined by bickering and fights. Two years after the alleged killings, chances are still high that you’ll always unearth conflicting, strong opinions among Italians on this topic. The situation has been worsened by the latest news. The impression is that no solution is in sight, and no beginning of a trial either.

While Italian President Sergio Mattarella vows that the country “will continue to fight for Latorre and Girone”, the legal implications are a bit more muddled up. Relationships, including economic ties, between Italy and India are still strained. On the diplomatic front, Italy has veto power, which it exercised against India in September to stop New Delhi’s membership applications before all four export control regimes in charge of the world’s trade in nuclear supplies. It is all a strange combination of oddities, indeed.

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Falkor the Luckdragon will bring back the Italian marines.
 
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Indian Govt should follow the rules and international obligations. Nothing more and less.

If the tribunal rules in India's favor then it is imperative that we enforce it's decision come what may. A law has to be enforced otherwise it's looses efficacy and it would be a cold day in hell before Indian blood is worth less than an Italian one.

However if the decision goes against India then we should respectfully send the Marines back.

The problem is India should not have in my opinion accepted the tribunal's jurisdiction this abdicating the primacy of it's own courts in this matter but since it has done so no use crying over spilt milk.

Regards
 
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it would be a cold day in hell before Indian blood is worth less than an Italian one.
But for the world barring India, that is the sad reality. A man's blood is valued by the nation he comes from..and that nations economics, power and prestige define it.

An Italian's blood is worth more than a Chinese's blood which is worth more than an Indian's blood which is worth more than a Pakistanis blood which is worth more than a Bangladeshis blood.

We can and will uphold the law. And as our country develops more, the pecking order shall change.
 
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@Spectre rules are to be followed when the other side plays by the rules. If the marine does not return to stand trial, ensure the marine here suffers for it. The ambassador is the person who stands in for the marine. Put him in jail for violation.

The only thing the world recognizes is strength. You make one example, the world does not make the same mistake again.
 
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@Spectre rules are to be followed when the other side plays by the rules. If the marine does not return to stand trial, ensure the marine here suffers for it. The ambassador is the person who stands in for the marine. Put him in jail for violation.

The only thing the world recognizes is strength. You make one example, the world does not make the same mistake again.

I agree. That's what I said. If Italy does not follow the rules then India has to enforce them with force no matter how high the cost.
 
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"DIRTY INDIANS" :sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic:

You were part of it too..:mad:

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Italians should abundantly compensate and convince the victim families
They should do everything possible for lost families forgiveness

It's really not a good move to use veto power in control regimes
After all, they have killed people. Shouldn't flex muscle and make it a national issue.
 
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Italy????Huhh...Sometimes i get surprised...how many countries of Europe feel that they are great nations just because US and Germany are the real heroes....Of course..we are dirty Indian..but does it matter what do you think about us ...
 
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Couldn't help but notice Benny Hill's picture on your Avatar @ Abhijeet Sarkar. The world has forgotten him.
 
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Italians should abundantly compensate and convince the victim families
They should do everything possible for lost families forgiveness

I think they did that, compensation was paid to the victims' families, in exchange for which they agreed to drop the civil cases. But the criminal case cannot be dropped.
 
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I think they did that, compensation was paid to the victims' families, in exchange for which they agreed to drop the civil cases. But the criminal case cannot be dropped.

:o: What s the civil case and what's the criminal case.

I thought it's only a criminal case.
 
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Don’t go back to those dirty Indians’: The marines’ case fuels fascist sentiments in Italy
Right-wing vitriol has worsened since the medical leave of one of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen was extended.
Carlo Pizzati · Today · 09:15 am
09f9389e-c089-457e-a52d-ad01fc1ed3d0.jpg

Photo Credit:AFP/STR
A strange combination of oddities is reawakening the world of right-wing and post-fascist sentiments among some Italians. Odd nativity statuettes, imaginary flying luckdragons, threats of stealing the Indian flag, racist insults and much more are being employed as the result of the drawn-out story of two Italian marines to be tried in India for allegedly killing two fishermen off Kerala’s coast four years ago.

Last month, two miniature plastic soldiers appeared in a nativity scene that was photographed and circulated widely on social media and in the Italian press. Hovering above baby Jesus, next to Mary and rubbing elbows with Saint Joseph were two characters who couldn’t possibly have lived 2015 years ago in Bethlehem. They were dressed in modern Italian marine fatigues and standing erect and proud, as if they were sailing on a giant aircraft carrier. It was Giorgia Meloni, leader of the right-wing Brothers of Italy party, who had decided that figurines of the two Italian marines deserved a place of honour at the heart of a much-revered Italian Christmas tradition.

pqfanrpcii-1452789713.jpg

Giorgia Meloni, leader of Brothers of Italy, with figurines of the Italian marines.
Further trouble came in the form of Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of the extreme right-wing group New Force. “We will steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome and we will cause a diplomatic incident,” he thundered. Such chest-thumping was not uncommon in the Italian fascist and neo-fascist tradition about 100 years ago, but they still survive in some quarters.

These fascists have a soft, dreamy side too. Since the marines’ nativity gimmick didn’t work so well, Brothers of Italy launched a new campaign. It plastered the streets of Rome and parts of Italy with the image of the two marines riding on the back of Falkor, a “luckdragon” from the German fantasy novelThe Neverending Story. “Let’s bring them home,” exhorted the poster against the backdrop of a blue sky filled with scattered clouds, and ended with the comment, “Italy takes off."

In fact, Italy is not taking off, and neither are the two marines.

muhupkwgbs-1452789826.jpg

Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of New Force, has threatened to steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome.
Going nowhere

One of them, the taciturn Massimiliano Latorre, who had returned temporarily to his homeland of Puglia after suffering a stroke, will not take off for Delhi on January 15, as originally planned. This week an Italian senator announced he would not be sent back at all. Shortly after, on the same day, the Supreme Court of India granted Latorre an extension till April 30 on medical grounds. The Kerala government and some Congress leaders were not pleased. “Sad and unfortunate,” was how Charles George, convenor of the Kerala Fisheries Coordinating Committee, described the leniency.

What about the other marine who is still under house arrest at the Italian embassy in Delhi? Salvatore Girone is “coming back on February 30”, said an angry commentator upon hearing the news of Latorre’s extension. In fact, he’s not taking off either. Girone is staying put, regardless of the fact that a defence committee in Italy announced he would be returning soon.

In the past few weeks the Italian government has asked a new International Court to apply “urgent measures” to bring Girone back to Italy, after the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in Hamburg rejected a similar plea. The International Tribunal is still evaluating the case in its entirety.

I guess you would expect a bit of gratitude from Italians for a decision that allows a sick man to stay in his own country longer than originally granted. But this infuriated commentators all over right-wing blogs and social networks. “Those primordial types are making fun of us,” wrote Salvatore Zambrino. Spurted Domenico Libri on his Facebook page, “Don’t go back to those dirty Indians."

Ruined conversations, relations

It must be remembered that up until the 1940s, crowds of Fascists would march on Italian streets singing these words with Ethiopians in mind: “You little black face, pretty Abyssinian, just wait and hope, the time is nearing, when we will be next to you, we will give you another Duce and another King.” Of course, things went south quite fast for Italians in their colonial war in Africa, and a few years later Italians were hanging their Duce upside down in Milan and bludgeoning him and his mistress to death, but that’s another story for another time. In today’s Italy, racist comments against refugees are heard regularly on television, and it is not rare for hooligans in football stadiums to hum racist chants against African and Arab players, despite the reprimand and fine that follows.

Sitting around a festive dinner table a few days ago, I told my nephew that the surest way to revive a languishing conversation in Italy these days is to say, “E i marò?,” which in English means “how about those marines?” The issue of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen seems a sure-fire way to get people talking. I was, unfortunately, right. The dinner was almost ruined by bickering and fights. Two years after the alleged killings, chances are still high that you’ll always unearth conflicting, strong opinions among Italians on this topic. The situation has been worsened by the latest news. The impression is that no solution is in sight, and no beginning of a trial either.

While Italian President Sergio Mattarella vows that the country “will continue to fight for Latorre and Girone”, the legal implications are a bit more muddled up. Relationships, including economic ties, between Italy and India are still strained. On the diplomatic front, Italy has veto power, which it exercised against India in September to stop New Delhi’s membership applications before all four export control regimes in charge of the world’s trade in nuclear supplies. It is all a strange combination of oddities, indeed.

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Falkor the Luckdragon will bring back the Italian marines.

Cry more
 
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:o: What s the civil case and what's the criminal case.

I thought it's only a criminal case.

The victims' families moved court for compensation for their loss, and the owner of the boat also moved court, demanding damages. These were all civil cases.

The murder case is criminal. It cannot be dropped for any compensation.
 
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