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Don't beat us, just shoot us': Kashmiris allege violent army crackdown (BBC)
Security forces in Indian-administered Kashmir have been accused of carrying out beatings and torture in the wake of the government's decision to strip the region of its autonomy.

The BBC heard from several villagers who said they were beaten with sticks and cables, and given electric shocks.

Residents in several villages showed me injuries. But the BBC was not able to verify the allegations with officials.

The Indian army has called them "baseless and unsubstantiated".

Unprecedented restrictions have put Kashmir into a state of lockdown for more than three weeks and information has only trickled out since 5 August when Article 370 - as the provision giving the region special status is known - was revoked.

Tens of thousands of extra troops have been deployed to the region and about 3,000 people - including political leaders, businesspeople and activists - are reported to have been detained. Many have been moved to prisons outside the state.

The authorities say these actions are pre-emptive and designed to maintain law and order in the region, which was India's only Muslim-majority state but is now being divided into two federally-run territories.

The Indian army has been fighting a separatist insurgency here for over three decades. India blames Pakistan for fomenting violence in the region by supporting militants - a charge that its neighbour, which controls its own part of Kashmir, denies.

Many people across India have welcomed the revocation of Article 370 and have praised Prime Minister Narendra Modi for taking the "bold" decision. The move has also been widely supported by mainstream media.

Warning: Content below might cause distress to some readers

I visited at least half a dozen villages in the southern districts which have emerged as a hub of anti-India militancy in the past few years. I heard similar accounts from several people in all these villages of night raids, beatings and torture.

Doctors and health officials are unwilling to speak to journalists about any patients regardless of ailments, but the villagers showed me injuries alleged to have been inflicted by security forces.

In one village, residents said that the army went from house to house just hours after India announced the controversial decision that upended a decades-old arrangement between Delhi and Kashmir.

Two brothers alleged that they were woken up and taken to an outside area where nearly a dozen other men from the village had been gathered. Like everyone else we met, they were too afraid of reprisals to reveal their identities.

"They beat us up. We were asking them: 'What have we done? You can ask the villagers if we are lying, if we have done anything wrong?' But they didn't want to hear anything, they didn't say anything, they just kept beating us," one of them said.

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"They beat every part of my body. They kicked us, beat us with sticks, gave us electric shocks, beat us with cables. They hit us on the back of the legs. When we fainted they gave us electric shocks to bring us back. When they hit us with sticks and we screamed, they sealed our mouth with mud.

"We told them we are innocent. We asked why they were doing this? But they did not listen to us. I told them don't beat us, just shoot us. I was asking God to take me, because the torture was unbearable."

Another villager, a young man, said the security forces kept asking him to "name the stone-throwers" - referring to the mostly young men and teenage boys who have in the past decade become the face of civilian protests in Kashmir Valley.

He said he told the soldiers he didn't know any, so they ordered him to remove his glasses, clothes and shoes.

"Once I took off my clothes they beat me mercilessly with rods and sticks, for almost two hours. Whenever I fell unconscious, they gave me shocks to revive [me].

"If they do it to me again, I am willing to do anything, I will pick up the gun. I can't bear this every day," he said.

The young man added that the soldiers told him to warn everyone in his village that if anyone participated in any protests against the forces, they would face similar repercussions.

All the men we spoke to in all the villages believe the security forces did this to intimidate the villagers so that they would be too scared to protest.

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In a statement to the BBC, the Indian army said it had "not manhandled any civilians as alleged".

"No specific allegations of this nature have been brought to our notice. These allegations are likely to have been motivated by inimical elements," army spokesperson Col Aman Anand said.

Measures had been taken to protect civilians but "there have been no injuries or casualties due to countermeasures undertaken by the army", he added.

We drove through several villages where many residents were sympathetic towards separatist militant groups, whom they described as "freedom fighters".

It was in one district in this part of Kashmir in February that a suicide attack killed more than 40 Indian soldiers and brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war. This is also the same region where popular Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani was killed in 2016, after which many young and angry Kashmiris joined the insurgency against India.

There's an army camp in the region and the soldiers regularly comb the area to track down militants and sympathisers, but villagers say they often get caught in the middle.

In one village, I met a man in his early 20s who said the army threatened to frame him if he didn't become an informant against militants. When he refused, he alleged, he was beaten so badly that two weeks later he still cannot lie on his back.

"If this continues I'll have no choice but to leave my house. They beat us as if we are animals. They don't consider us human."

Another man who showed us his injuries said he was pushed to the ground and severely beaten with "cables, guns, sticks and probably iron rods" by "15-16 soldiers".

"I was semi-conscious. They pulled my beard so hard that I felt like my teeth would fall out."

He said he was later told by a boy who had witnessed the assault that one soldier tried to burn his beard, but was stopped by another soldier.

In yet another village, I met a young man who said his brother had joined the Hizbul Mujahideen - one of the largest groups fighting Indian rule in Kashmir- two years ago.

He said he was recently questioned at an army camp, where he alleged he was tortured and left with a leg fracture.

"They tied my hands and legs and hung me upside down. They beat me very badly for more than two hours," he said.

But the army denies any wrongdoing.

In their statement to the BBC they said they were "a professional organisation that understands and respects human rights" and that all allegations "are investigated expeditiously".

It added that 20 of a total 37 cases raised by the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) in the past five years were found to be "baseless", 15 were being investigated and "in only three cases allegations were found to be probe-worthy". Those found guilty, the statement added, are punished.

However, earlier this year, a report released by two prominent Kashmiri human rights organisations documented hundreds of alleged cases of human rights violations in Kashmir over the past three decades.

The UN Commission on Human Rights has also called for setting up a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to conduct a comprehensive independent international investigation into allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir. It has released a 49-page report on alleged excesses by security forces in the region.

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Indian bsfds mfk piece of sht country. We will nuke you. Say whatever last prayers and poojas you fkrZ wish to say. You will be nuked. Thank you BBC for finally showing some journalistic guts.

India is a pathetic amateur, resorting to medieval siege, Rape and torture. what a fkd up mutated piece of pig sht Hindustan is to do such things to humans. Do you think you will get away with this?

As long as it takes, you will be finished. Not defeated. Finished permanently. A footnote in history. India will be nothing. Hinduism's home will become a nuclear wasteland. There will be no Indians left to rue the day they voted Modi into power. There is no going back to normalcy, or cordial relations. This is too much.

I cannot comprehend how Indians have voted for this with their democratic privilege. Do you all have some mental disease?? Fk off. Better that you get nuked and someone uses the land for a new country with new people.
 
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Can we not put our transmitters all across ceasefire line so Kashmiris can hook up to our network for communications and send the real situation on ground to the rest of world.

NDS used the same technique and many Afghan terrorists were using Afghan sims for communications while staying in Pakistan. It's similar hilly terrain.
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49481180
'Don't beat us, just shoot us': Kashmiris allege violent army crackdown


Security forces in Indian-administered Kashmir have been accused of carrying out beatings and torture in the wake of the government's decision to strip the region of its autonomy.

The BBC heard from several villagers who said they were beaten with sticks and cables, and given electric shocks.

Residents in several villages showed me injuries. But the BBC was not able to verify the allegations with officials.

The Indian army has called them "baseless and unsubstantiated".

Unprecedented restrictions have put Kashmir into a state of lockdown for more than three weeks and information has only trickled out since 5 August when Article 370 - as the provision giving the region special status is known - was revoked.

Tens of thousands of extra troops have been deployed to the region and about 3,000 people - including political leaders, businesspeople and activists - are reported to have been detained. Many have been moved to prisons outside the state.

The authorities say these actions are pre-emptive and designed to maintain law and order in the region, which was India's only Muslim-majority state but is now being divided into two federally-run territories.

The Indian army has been fighting a separatist insurgency here for over three decades. India blames Pakistan for fomenting violence in the region by supporting militants - a charge that its neighbour, which controls its own part of Kashmir, denies.

Many people across India have welcomed the revocation of Article 370 and have praised Prime Minister Narendra Modi for taking the "bold" decision. The move has also been widely supported by mainstream media.

Warning: Content below might cause distress to some readers

I visited at least half a dozen villages in the southern districts which have emerged as a hub of anti-India militancy in the past few years. I heard similar accounts from several people in all these villages of night raids, beatings and torture.

Doctors and health officials are unwilling to speak to journalists about any patients regardless of ailments, but the villagers showed me injuries alleged to have been inflicted by security forces.

In one village, residents said that the army went from house to house just hours after India announced the controversial decision that upended a decades-old arrangement between Delhi and Kashmir.

Two brothers alleged that they were woken up and taken to an outside area where nearly a dozen other men from the village had been gathered. Like everyone else we met, they were too afraid of reprisals to reveal their identities.

"They beat us up. We were asking them: 'What have we done? You can ask the villagers if we are lying, if we have done anything wrong?' But they didn't want to hear anything, they didn't say anything, they just kept beating us," one of them said.

_108516551_injury2-3.jpg



"They beat every part of my body. They kicked us, beat us with sticks, gave us electric shocks, beat us with cables. They hit us on the back of the legs. When we fainted they gave us electric shocks to bring us back. When they hit us with sticks and we screamed, they sealed our mouth with mud.

"We told them we are innocent. We asked why they were doing this? But they did not listen to us. I told them don't beat us, just shoot us. I was asking God to take me, because the torture was unbearable."

Another villager, a young man, said the security forces kept asking him to "name the stone-throwers" - referring to the mostly young men and teenage boys who have in the past decade become the face of civilian protests in Kashmir Valley.

He said he told the soldiers he didn't know any, so they ordered him to remove his glasses, clothes and shoes.

"Once I took off my clothes they beat me mercilessly with rods and sticks, for almost two hours. Whenever I fell unconscious, they gave me shocks to revive [me].

"If they do it to me again, I am willing to do anything, I will pick up the gun. I can't bear this every day," he said.

The young man added that the soldiers told him to warn everyone in his village that if anyone participated in any protests against the forces, they would face similar repercussions.

All the men we spoke to in all the villages believe the security forces did this to intimidate the villagers so that they would be too scared to protest.

_108516623_img_9736-2.jpg



In a statement to the BBC, the Indian army said it had "not manhandled any civilians as alleged".

"No specific allegations of this nature have been brought to our notice. These allegations are likely to have been motivated by inimical elements," army spokesperson Col Aman Anand said.

Measures had been taken to protect civilians but "there have been no injuries or casualties due to countermeasures undertaken by the army", he added.

We drove through several villages where many residents were sympathetic towards separatist militant groups, whom they described as "freedom fighters".

It was in one district in this part of Kashmir in February that a suicide attack killed more than 40 Indian soldiers and brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war. This is also the same region where popular Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani was killed in 2016, after which many young and angry Kashmiris joined the insurgency against India.

There's an army camp in the region and the soldiers regularly comb the area to track down militants and sympathisers, but villagers say they often get caught in the middle.

In one village, I met a man in his early 20s who said the army threatened to frame him if he didn't become an informant against militants. When he refused, he alleged, he was beaten so badly that two weeks later he still cannot lie on his back.

"If this continues I'll have no choice but to leave my house. They beat us as if we are animals. They don't consider us human."

Another man who showed us his injuries said he was pushed to the ground and severely beaten with "cables, guns, sticks and probably iron rods" by "15-16 soldiers".

"I was semi-conscious. They pulled my beard so hard that I felt like my teeth would fall out."

He said he was later told by a boy who had witnessed the assault that one soldier tried to burn his beard, but was stopped by another soldier.

In yet another village, I met a young man who said his brother had joined the Hizbul Mujahideen - one of the largest groups fighting Indian rule in Kashmir- two years ago.

He said he was recently questioned at an army camp, where he alleged he was tortured and left with a leg fracture.

"They tied my hands and legs and hung me upside down. They beat me very badly for more than two hours," he said.

But the army denies any wrongdoing.

In their statement to the BBC they said they were "a professional organisation that understands and respects human rights" and that all allegations "are investigated expeditiously".

It added that 20 of a total 37 cases raised by the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) in the past five years were found to be "baseless", 15 were being investigated and "in only three cases allegations were found to be probe-worthy". Those found guilty, the statement added, are punished.

However, earlier this year, a report released by two prominent Kashmiri human rights organisations documented hundreds of alleged cases of human rights violations in Kashmir over the past three decades.

The UN Commission on Human Rights has also called for setting up a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to conduct a comprehensive independent international investigation into allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir. It has released a 49-page report on alleged excesses by security forces in the region.

_105660749_kashmir_map624.png



Source
 
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what a rotten army...

i guess like people like army
 
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And what are we doing about it ?? A lot of bitter things I want to say about it. But then many members will start name calling and label me a "mayoos Pakistani" who has no trust is his armed forces

I do understand wishing WAR is not a good thing. I do understand the restraint our establishment is showing and given the political/economical scenario of Pakistan our limitations are also understandable. But India has annexed Kashmir and now they are moving towards the next step which is kashmiri genocide. Deed has been done and we are advised to wait and then wait some more

lack of action on Pakistan's part is just increasing frustration in masses which is then termed as "mayoosi" and jingoism. Many members as usual will advise "Wait for the right Time". And here is my basic disagreement, Time is not Pakistan's side as believed by many, time is on india's side as they have 6 million+ hostages. They will make them suffer more & more with every passing second. what will we do? wait for the right time. No No I say No
 
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Yet India accuse Pakistan for so-called infiltration and attacks on Indian Occupying Forces. Indian fascist & Nazi designs have so much dehumanized Kashmiris that the torture & brutalities does results in Pulwama type reactions. This is not secrete and most of freedom fighters are the people from the lot either being abducted & tortured inhumanly or their loved ones were massacred/disrespected in front of them. All of the freedom fighters & Kashmiri resistance shares same inspiration to raise arms against Indian Army beside that India is alien in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

The so-called champions of democracy & pro-claimed secular regime following the Nazi footsteps to explode from inside very soon with rising of fascism & religious intolerance. It becomes more worst when Indian society supports this savagery by way of covering for the nationalistic purpose or by way of silence.
 
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Guys just hold on.... and see what Imran Khan is upto... He is motivating the nation...
what I saw today and what I am analyzing is that he ll take nation into confidence and make sure than whole nation is on board; war is inevitable... our demo for Kashmiris today was not something to be ignored... I am certain another kargil like conflict or worst, war can happen..
 
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Yet India accuse Pakistan for so-called infiltration and attacks on Indian Occupying Forces.
Pakistan should have openly came forward and should have given material support to the people of J&K.There is enough material for justifying this move in eyes of sane humans.On one side we want to help kashmiris on other side we want to be good guys in eyes of West,who is aligned with Bharat.That makes no sense.
US has sold M777,Ah-64,P-8,C-130J,C-5 and huge amount of munitions to Bharat,same goes for France and other EU states.They would never stand with us or aupport us.After much hyped CPEC West fully stand behind Bharat.
Pakistan should act alone in whatever capacity or should forget the cause.
 
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Pakistan should have openly came forward and should have given material support to the people of J&K.There is enough material for justifying this move in eyes of sane humans.On one side we want to help kashmiris on other side we want to be good guys in eyes of West,who is aligned with Bharat.That makes no sense.
US has sold M777,Ah-64,P-8,C-130J,C-5 and huge amount of munitions to Bharat,same goes for France and other EU states.They would never stand with us or aupport us.After much hyped CPEC West fully stand behind Bharat.
Pakistan should act alone in whatever capacity or should forget the cause.

I have exhausted much of myself to put some sense into either emotional or political aggrieved lot, from time to time on different threads. Even though I have done so repeatedly in different style on different time but as & when I see someone is causing reverse damage than any benefit; I get energized and realize my duty to have a word again so that the specific lot will realize what is really going on. Emotions are high & indeed everyone of us is concerned and wants to punch India to the cause of Kashmir but before that, there are considerable things from best to worst that need proper attention and i will go through with bit of my part that may add something for betterment to my country......

  • I wouldn't wish for war as per my faith but seek peace first. However, when I enter a battlefield, cowardice is not my thing.
  • I wouldn't talk about offensive or war with enemy under politically motivated influence at all.
  • I wouldn't undermine the capacity & capability of my enemy at all.
  • I wouldn't rely upon anyone else when the fight is purely mine, therefore, I will not make decision in haste.
  • I will not go into war unprepared as every column of my nation should be safe or at-least strong enough to take the heat.
  • I will not brag about the war but getting prepared while going through the checklist and must not skip any step for the war.
  • I will not forget or ignore more enemies than India.
  • My CPEC is not hyped but in-fact the clueless minds don't want to believe my progress and lives in denial for many reasons including political or religious differences with me.
  • I will not ignore the fact that there is a hidden enemy that only wish to take away my N power by any means. That enemy has no concern that I grow more or become rich or poorer but N weapon has caused them sleepless night.
  • I wouldn't risk the lives of my people from all the walks of life by making a decision based upon emotions without realizing the threat or due planning for the control of damage back at home.
  • I will keep all the options open and before any offensive of final step; I will not skip any step by step progress to make the world realize that I had no other choice and that can only be done by reaching my voice to the every corner of the world which takes some time.
  • I can see that I have more enemies than friend for many reasons including I am a Muslim majority state having N weapons and I am the most threat for the NWO implementation that only confiscates the rights of every opposing independent nation to make us bow before their so-called world superiority.
  • I will not forget my cause and will never compromise upon the right thing as well as my fundamentals & the reason of my independence from British Colonial Tyranny widely influencing Hindutva order back in days.
  • I will not forget that once the war started, there are irreversible damages & may not end till my last breath or whatsoever hence, I will have to prepare and consider every option of win & survival.
  • I am not a Nazi Fascist that wouldn't realize the aftermath of any misadventure or any miscalculated military move, therefore, I must count everything and consider to exhaust every option like domestic confidence, internal preparedness, diplomatic offensive, diplomatic relations & contacts to be updated & make it to be recorded in history that I didn't left any option to avail before the bloody nose of my enemy or beating them to the dust.
  • Being a Muslim majority country, I also have more responsibilities as compare to Hindutva Nazi Fascist who is highly intolerant in account of religious and in-fact it is the main case to threaten me or my existence.
  • I will not ignore those enemies that dreamed of my disintegration while they get together for the purpose and I have no fear but I don't want to make any mistake before the final order of fight.
  • I will not create any mischief or divide by any mean in my motherland on this issue and not to be played in hands of enemies misinformation warfare of hate & divide on the basis of emotions within the country.
  • I will in-fact support State of Pakistan which is not Imran Khan alone nor any other official but, it is a complete system of all of us working together for our sovereignty & betterment. Remember that PTI, IK or any other party is not the sole owner of country to make such decisions neither the Military can do so without State orders.
  • Therefore, I will have my fate into State and will show full unity in these times, no matter I have personal or political issues or whatever you call it just so that my enemy shouldn't be laughing at me or the naive minds may not feel disappointed because my enemies want to cut public support at first to create internal unrest as Hindutva lot will never take on me conventionally at first knowing my powers.
  • Therefore, it is necessary to tell everyone out there that I am not Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam or whatever they call it because we the public trust our State and support our Military with full confidence. And this confidence is exactly the strength of my first line of defence and the reason to ensure enemy's defeat.

So, any voice that may demoralize us; shall be discouraged & denied any space.
 
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Guys just hold on.... and see what Imran Khan is upto... He is motivating the nation...
what I saw today and what I am analyzing is that he ll take nation into confidence and make sure than whole nation is on board; war is inevitable... our demo for Kashmiris today was not something to be ignored... I am certain another kargil like conflict or worst, war can happen..

These are called validating before making any decision as last resort, the war. No nation can win without public support on certain matter and beside the domestic unity; Pakistan also needs to make our case stronger before International community as well hence, all the diplomatic exercises & sending our voice to everyone out there. A proper practice is being adopted so that tomorrow, so-called world police shall not blame us for making decision in haste. Today's united demonstration in regard to Kashmir hour was not solidarity with Kashmir but also, we submitted our concern being united on this issue and showed our will, resolve as well as strength which itself is strength of the State.
 
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