Don’t look away from Kashmir’s mass graves and people’s struggle

[golmaal]

Ask a Kashmiri if they are Indian, and they will probably laugh in your face. They look completely different.

Ask a Tibeten or Uyghur man and woman if they are Chinese, they will laugh in your face (not probably)... First you make your house perfect then teach others..

 

[Kaniska]

I beleive i was reading another thread and a post by a chinies member regarding the topic of south china sea...He was telling that China has power so it will simply occupy whatever it wants....SO in that context...let us put the things in straight...Kashmir is occupied by india...it is a not choice but the compulsion to the people to accept or else they have the choice to cross the border to their beloved nation...

 

[Mike2011]

When India annexed the Kingdom of Sikkim, the king went into exile and died in the west in 1980's.

To silence resistance and opposition to Indian occupation, a bunch of upper class Sikkimese had been murdered by the Indian occupation armies.

Who is going to investigate this tragedy?

Now everyone in Sikkim shut up to stay alive!

Did you miss todays morning walk?

 

[golmaal]

Record of Chinese atrocities in Tibet - World shoud wake on this call and support Tibet..


1.2 million Tibetans died as a direct result of Chinese atrocities.

Over 6000 monasteries and institutes of learning have been destroyed.

Precious Tibetan artifacts were vandalized and sold in Hong Kong markets.

Over 6000 Tibetan religious and historical literature have been destroyed.

Tibetans in Tibet are second class citizen without basic Human Rights, such as Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Religion, Right to Education, etc.

Tibetan women are subjected to forced abortion and sterilization.

Tibetan Children are denied their right to education.

70% of Tibetans living in Tibet now are illiterate.

Arbitrary arrests, torture, intimidation and imprisonment without trial are the order of the day for Tibetans in their country.

Tibet has been divided into different parts and incorporated with Chinese provinces, thereby removing the existing Tibetan identity.

Thousands of Tibetans are still in prisons in China. Tibet’s natural resources and fragile ecology are irreversibly destroyed.

6 Million Tibetans have been outnumbered by 7.5 Million Chinese inducted into Tibet causing demographic disadvantage to Tibetans in their own country.

 

[Starblazer]

Record of Chinese atrocities in Tibet - World shoud wake on this call and support Tibet..


1.2 million Tibetans died as a direct result of Chinese atrocities.

Over 6000 monasteries and institutes of learning have been destroyed.

Precious Tibetan artifacts were vandalized and sold in Hong Kong markets.

Over 6000 Tibetan religious and historical literature have been destroyed.

Tibetans in Tibet are second class citizen without basic Human Rights, such as Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Religion, Right to Education, etc.

Tibetan women are subjected to forced abortion and sterilization.

Tibetan Children are denied their right to education.

70% of Tibetans living in Tibet now are illiterate.

Arbitrary arrests, torture, intimidation and imprisonment without trial are the order of the day for Tibetans in their country.

Tibet has been divided into different parts and incorporated with Chinese provinces, thereby removing the existing Tibetan identity.

Thousands of Tibetans are still in prisons in China. Tibet’s natural resources and fragile ecology are irreversibly destroyed.

6 Million Tibetans have been outnumbered by 7.5 Million Chinese inducted into Tibet causing demographic disadvantage to Tibetans in their own country.

We're talking about what happens in India, what does China have to do with it, never mind the inaccuracies. Avoiding the problem won't fix it, the freedom fighters winning will.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Ask a Kashmiri if they are Indian, and they will probably laugh in your face. They look completely different.

Why don't you tell this to the Chinese emigrate here to the US. In your definition, do they look any American.
#Hypocrisy!

 

[harshad]

We're talking about what happens in India, what does China have to do with it, never mind the inaccuracies. Avoiding the problem won't fix it, the freedom fighters winning will.

this topic has been discussed many time before the only purpose of this thread now is selective bashing

 

[golmaal]

We're talking about what happens in India, what does China have to do with it, never mind the inaccuracies. Avoiding the problem won't fix it, the freedom fighters winning will.

Man, sole purpose of this thread making is for trolling.. nothing value in that since we have been in and out discussed on this subject before.
On Subject - Indian authorities conducted an inquiry to find out the truth. hope our govt will publish the report soon and if anything happened illegally should take the action against concerned.

 

[beijingwalker]

HAH,China brought prosperity and wealth the the people living in China,and what India brought to Kashmir people_mass graveyards and death.Tibet was the poorest province in China ,but still much better than india per capita wise.we dont have guerilla troops fighting the government everyday,we dont a history that the top government leaders were blown up into pieces,what a peace loving country you are.

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keep making things up you indian guys,in 1950 the whole tibet had barely 1 million people,and we killed 1.2 million,haha

 

[beijingwalker]

if you Indians made up stories were true ,how come even Dalai lama himself says that Tibet benifitted a lot economically from China and It is good for tibet to be within China,do you mean Dalai lama is lying?

 

[beijingwalker]

Facts and figures of Tibet - China.org.cn

Facts and figures of Tibet

 

[golmaal]

HAH,China brought prosperity and wealth the the people living in China,and what India brought to Kashmir people_mass graveyards and death.Tibet was the poorest province in China ,but still much better than india per capita wise.we dont have guerilla troops fighting the government everyday,we dont a history that the top government leaders were blown up into pieces,what a peace loving country you are.

Yea those gurilla war we are facing bcz of our great eastern neighbor.. unless our govt doesn't have any policy to arm any separatist movement in China ..keep a bay
We don't do any Tiamensquare like massacre with our own people using Tanks. In modern civilization history only China can do that..
On wealth and development we are improving YOY and you can see the statistics.. But trollers like you never understand the fact.

 

[beijingwalker]

NEWSWEEK is not a Chinese magezine,do you mean NEWSWEEK is lying.

NEWSWEEK
Whether they like it or not, China has been very good for Tibetans.

Feb 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST

Isaac Stone Fish

President Obama's controversial meeting with the Dalai Lama this week has already infuriated China and stirred up Tibet advocates who thought it should have come sooner. China says Tibet is part of its territory, and that the meeting represents an unwanted intrusion into its domestic affairs. But most Americans still see the Dalai Lama as the representative of a people oppressed by Chinese rule. Tibetans feel chafed by the restrictions on their political and religious freedoms; many are dissatisfied with Chinese rule, and this has led to widespread rioting over the past few years. They want self-determination; fair enough. But that seems to be the only story about Tibet that is ever told. The other story is that, for China's many blunders in mountainous region, it has erected a booming economy there. Looking at growth, standard of living, infrastructure, and GDP, one thing is clear: China has been good for Tibet.

Since 2001, Beijing has spent $45.4 billion on development in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR). (That's what the Chinese government calls Tibet, even though many Tibetans live in neighboring provinces, too). The effect: double-digit GDP growth for the past nine years. About a third of the money went to infrastructure investment, including the train connecting Beijing to Lhasa. "A clear benefit of the train was that it makes industrial goods cheaper for Tibetans, who, like everyone else in the world, like household conveniences, but normally had to pay very high prices," said Ben Hillman, a Tibet expert from the Australian National University's China Institute. The train also provides an opportunity for Tibetan goods to be sold outside of the region and for a massive increase in number of tourists, reaching more than 5.5 million in 2009—up from close to 2 million in 2005, the year before the train. The Chinese government's Tibet tourism bureau expects the numbers to keep climbing. While Tibetan independence groups like Free Tibet raise sustainability concerns about the increase in tourism, Hillman points out that "tourism is an important industry that can benefit local Tibetans."

Infrastructure improvements have not only helped grow the economy but also have aided in modernizing remote parts of the Tibetan plateau, an area with 3 million people about twice the size of France. Paved roads allow herders easier access to hospitals and the capital, where they sell handicrafts. "Cellphone service in parts of western Tibet is better than in parts of New Jersey," said Gray Tuttle, an assistant professor of modern Tibetan studies at Columbia University.

Since 2006, the Chinese central government has been shifting its Tibet development strategy from funding massive infrastructure projects to programs intended to bring greater benefit to individual Tibetans. While Han migrants may compete for jobs with Tibetans in urban areas, diffusing the benefits more broadly among Chinese, the net per-capita income of rural residents was $527 in 2009, an increase of more than 13 percent from the 2008 figure and the fourth year in a row where growth exceeded 13 percent. While still low, it represents an increase in wealth creation at the lowest levels. Although Chinese statistics on Tibet, like Chinese statistics in general, are impossible to verify, it seems clear that material living standards among the 80 to 90 percent of the population living in rural Tibet are rising rapidly.

"I was amazed at the amount of money actually being spent in these villages," said Melvyn Goldstein, codirector of the Center for Research on Tibet at Case Western Reserve University. Through extensive rural fieldwork in the TAR, Goldstein found that "health-insurance plans are getting better, bank loans are now more accessible, schooling is free for primary school and middle school, and access to electricity and water is improving." At the improved schools, students learn Mandarin, which gives Tibetans access to work opportunities in government offices in Tibet and in companies throughout China.

Last month, President Hu Jintao held the Communist Party's fifth Tibet planning conference, the first since 2001, to strategize on the upcoming years. He said that Tibetan rural income will likely match China's average by 2020. And he stressed the need for Tibet, beset by the "special contradiction" of the Dalai Lama, to develop using the "combination of economic growth, well-off life, a healthy eco-environment, and social stability and progress."

It's true that, so far, all the money has failed to buy Tibetan loyalty. Beijing won't deal with the Dalai Lama, even though Tibetans revere him, nor will it let his monastic followers build any power or voice any nationalist sympathy. Instead, the government is offering Tibetans the same bargain it has offered the rest of the country: in exchange for an astronomical rise in living standards, the government requires citizens to relinquish the right to free worship and free speech. The Chinese government has kept its end of the deal. Even if Tibetan residents never signed the contract, they have benefited from its enforcement—a fact Obama might keep in mind when he meets the Dalai Lama.

 

[beijingwalker]

haha,you know where Tiananmen is?I m from Beijing.how well do you know China,I have hundreds of Tiananmen analysis I found both when I m in China and was in US.if you like to talk about that,I m very happy to start a thread.I m fully armed with all the details.but we dont have a violence tradition of blowing up our presidents into pieces.

 

[golmaal]

NEWSWEEK is not a Chinese magezine,do you mean NEWSWEEK is lying.

This is new from UN - Have a look.

China: UN experts warn of severe human rights restrictions on Tibetan Buddhist monasteries

GENEVA (1 November 2011) – A group of United Nations independent experts voiced grave concern over reports of heavy security measures, in and around the area of the Tibetan Buddhist Kirti monastery - which houses some 2,500 monks- and other monasteries in Aba County, an area of Sichuan province with many ethnic Tibetans in south-west China.

“Intimidation of the lay and monastic community must be avoided, and the right of members of the monastic community, and the wider community to freely practice their religion, should be fully respected and guaranteed by the Chinese Government,” stressed the UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief, Mr. Heiner Bielefeldt, noting that the recent deployment of security forces is reported to include officers in riot gear, soldiers with automatic rifles, and trucks and armed personnel on the streets leading to the monastery.

Further measures are reported to include security raids and surveillance within monasteries, with police presence inside and outside monasteries to monitor religious activities. “Such restrictive measures not only curtail the right to freedom of religion or belief, but further exacerbate the existing tensions, and are counterproductive,” Mr. Heiner Bielefeldt said.

His comments were echoed by the Special Rapporteur on the rights to freedom of peaceful assembly and of association, Mr. Maina Kiai, who warned that “such measures seriously impede the exercise of the right to association of members of the monastic community.”

The UN Special Rapporteur on the right to freedom of opinion and expression, Mr. Frank La Rue, added his voice expressing his “deep concern about allegations of restrictions to Internet access and mobile messaging services within Aba Country, as well as journalists’ lack of access to the region.” In his view, “rather than taking such measures, the Government should instead listen to and address the legitimate grievances of the monastic community.”

The heavy security measures adopted have resulted in increased tensions between the Chinese authorities and members of the monastic community, in particular since March 2011, a period which has seen an escalation of protests by both lay persons and members of the monastic community, calling for religious freedom. The severe restrictions on freedoms of religion, expression and association, have led to hundreds of monks reportedly leaving the monastery, with many being arrested or subjected to enforced disappearance.

“Any enforced disappearance is unacceptable and such practices are in violation of international law,” said the Chair-Rapporteur of the Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances, Mr. Jeremy Sarkin, expressing concern that a proposed revision to the Chinese Criminal Procedure Law will legalise enforced disappearances in the country. “This heinous practice is not permitted under any circumstances. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever may be invoked to justify an enforced disappearance.”

Another UN expert panel, the Working Group on Arbitrary Detention, expressed concern about the recurring practice of arbitrary arrests and detention of monks in the area of Sichuan province. “No individual can be arrested on the ground of peacefully exercising the rights and freedoms guaranteed under international human rights law,” stressed Mr. El Hadji Malick Sow, the Group’s Chair-Rapporteur.

The Independent Expert on minority issues, Ms. Rita Izsák, also called on the Chinese authorities to fully respect and uphold the rights of minorities including their rights to freely practice their religion and culture. “Allegations suggest that this is far from the case in this region and I urge the Government to cease any restrictive practices and refrain from any use of violence or intimidation.”
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