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Army's fresh order for SIG assault rifles would mean over 1.4 lakh rifles will be bought off the shelf from US despite a domestic industry that manufactures a range of assault rifles.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP13 July, 2020 7:03 pm IST
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New Delhi: The Army’s decision to go ahead with a second order of 72,000 SIG 716 assault rifles from the United States is yet another “setback” to the private small arms industry in India, and sharpens focus on the government’s inability to kickstart the AK 203 production factory in Amethi.

When the order for the SIG assault rifles is placed ⁠— under the option clause of the original contract signed for 72,400 rifles ⁠— it would mean that over 1.4 lakh 7.62×51 mm rifles in total will be bought off the shelf from abroad without a ‘Make in India’ initiative.

The domestic industry said the Army’s decision isn’t surprising, but is indeed a setback to them and doesn’t align with the government’s aatma nirbharta (self reliance) push. For now, domestic manufacturers are placing their bets on the Central Armed Police Forces (CAPF), special forces and the state police, besides the export market for their range of assault rifles.


Defence sources said the SIG assault rifles procurement had to do with a weapon already in service with troops. The fact that an option clause was part of the deal means the plan was always to buy more rifles, depending on the feedback and necessity.

On the ‘Make in India’ initiative, a source said it was being promoted through the AK 203 manufacturing factory, which is expected to be the mainstay of the armed forces. The source added that there are several other tenders in the works in which private domestic players are participating.



The Indian Army had been trying to replace their standard INSAS assault rifles for many years but has been unable to so due to varying factors.

The second batch of SIG rifles will arrive after the delivery of the first order this year, which was placed through the Fast Track Process (FTP). The option clause allows the Army to reorder the rifles for the same price within a similar delivery time-frame.

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The new rifles will go to troops in the Northern Command and other operational areas, while the rest of the troops will be equipped with AK 203.


However, the SIG order draws attention to the fact that the government has not been able to start production of AK 203 rifles, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), at the Amethi factory that was inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi last March.

The Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, established between the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), Kalashnikov Concern and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state agency for military exports, has seen a delay in starting production.

Earlier this year, the defence ministry had formed a committee to work out the cost of the AK 203 since the Russian partner and OFB are yet to arrive at an agreed price.

Also read: Indian Army deploys US-, Italy-trained snipers with deadly new rifles along LoC

Domestic industry unhappy
A source in the defence industry said that when the Army suddenly decided to acquire AK 203 under a government-to-government initiative in 2018, it was the first blow. The SIG rifles deal was also a “setback” for private manufacturers.

“The Army’s decision to order for another tranche of rifles from the US is not surprising but is indeed a setback. A number of companies in India have come up with their own rifles and other systems or tied up with foreign companies and set up manufacturing facilities,” the source said.


A second source said, “The arms manufactured by India have to go through multiple tests. From summer trials to winters to high altitude and desert. However, under the FTP model, the foreign manufacturer shows off the ability in their own factory and is selected under emergency clause.”

A third source said, “The talk now is of ‘Make in India’ and ‘Atmanirbartha’. But when domestic industry is offering world-class rifles, the focus is still on procuring from abroad. Do note that the 1.4 lakh rifles from US will be straight import without any Make in India or technology transfer.”

Also read: Two new Israeli assault rifles Arad and Carmel now set to be manufactured in India

Domestic manufacturers up their game
One of the early companies to set up an arms manufacturing plant in India was PLR Systems in a tie-up with Israeli Weapons System (IWI).

Under the deal, the companies began producing weapons like Tavor series, the mainstay of the special forces in India, along with others like the Galil sniper rifle, Uzi Pro submachine gun, Masada pistol and the Negev Light Machine Gun (LMG) with indigenous content ranging from 40-60 per cent.

In case of a repeat order, though, it is sent to IWI directly instead of the local manufacturing unit since there will be a change in the name of the firm.

“This means that there will have to be fresh trials even when it is the same rifle manufactured in India with a large indigenous component,” a third source said.

Bengaluru-based SSS Defence is another company in the domestic market. The company manufactures a sniper, assault rifle and light machine gun.

The rifles are completely indigenously designed, with SSS Defence holding the Intellectual Property Rights for its design.

Bharat Forge of the Kalyani Group also works in the small arms market and has tie-ups with a foreign player for indigenous manufacturing for an Army contract bid.

Also read: AK 203 and Kamov delayed, India and Russia aim for missile deal ahead of Modi visit

Army’s quest for assault rifles
In 2011, the Army issued a global tender for procurement of assault rifles wherein Colt of United States, Beretta of Italy, IWI of Israel and Ceska of Czeck Republic participated.

However, this attempt failed since only the IWI weapon qualified the trials and was declared the resultant single vendor.

The Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), DRDO and OFB also tried to design and develop assault rifles to replace the INSAS. However, none of their weapons made the cut.

Yet another Request for Proposal (RFP) for procurement of assault rifles was issued in 2017 with assurance of a floating RFP in 2018.

Given the situation, it was felt that a certain quantity of rifles needed to be procured on an urgent basis for the frontline troops.

Accordingly, the Indian Army planned to procure 72,400 assault rifles of Calibre 7.62x51mm through the Fast Track Process route.

Later, the Army backed the idea of manufacturing AK rifles jointly with Russia, a project that the Russians had been pushing for a while.

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This make in India is a big fat drama and nothing more. Even if Indian companies produce let say 10 different Assault Rifle series from around the world. Issue is Indian Army can buy one or two of those for themselves. On the other hand if Indian Para Military and Police is not allowed to select from those Rifles and buy them in large numbers this entire Make in India thing will come crashing down. Even Mumbai attack had done nothing to wake Indian Government up and seriously reconsider retraining plus Arming Indian Police with better more modular and light weight weapons. Despite India having a friend like Israel.
 
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This make in India is a big fat drama and nothing more. Even if Indian companies produce let say 10 different Assault Rifle series from around the world. Issue is Indian Army can but one or two of those for themselves. On the other hand if Indian Para Military and Police is not allowed to select from those Rifles and buy them in large numbers this entire Make in India thing will come crashing down. Even Mumbai had done nothing wake Indian Government up and seriously consider retraining plus Arming Indian Police with better more modular and light weight weapons. Despite India having a friend like Israel.
India panic buying. I enjoy the show, how about you?
 
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This make in India is a big fat drama and nothing more. Even if Indian companies produce let say 10 different Assault Rifle series from around the world. Issue is Indian Army can but one or two of those for themselves. On the other hand if Indian Para Military and Police is not allowed to select from those Rifles and buy them in large numbers this entire Make in India thing will come crashing down. Even Mumbai attack had done nothing to wake Indian Government up and seriously reconsider retraining plus Arming Indian Police with better more modular and light weight weapons. Despite India having a friend like Israel.
India has historically been focused on indeggeonus production and had leveraged its local resources. Initially the trend set under influence of ussr helped the Indian economy reinforce the base which yielded dividends in early 2000s. On the other hand our indeggeonus effort is completely missing.
 
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India has historically been focused on indeggeonus production and had leveraged its local resources. Initially the trend set under influence of ussr helped the Indian economy reinforce the base which yielded dividends in early 2000s. On the other hand our indeggeonus effort is completely missing.
Their last effort to make an indigenous rifle INSAS was a total disaster. It’s being replaced after only 22 years of service. A well designed rifle has a life cycle of 50 to 70 years. Case in point Lee Enfield, G3, FN FAL, M16/M4, AK47 & derivatives.

Designing a good rifle is not easy. It is a matter of trial and error. An iterative process. A lot of the so called successful rifles from Israel, Korea, Singapore etc. are spin off of other established designs. A new rifle may be good in the short-term but may go bad over time. Certain design features can erode the effectiveness of the rifle overtime or certain actions can slowly bend the barrel. Armies have to be very careful in selecting its standard rifle. Best to go with established names.
 
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Army's fresh order for SIG assault rifles would mean over 1.4 lakh rifles will be bought off the shelf from US despite a domestic industry that manufactures a range of assault rifles.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP13 July, 2020 7:03 pm IST
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New Delhi: The Army’s decision to go ahead with a second order of 72,000 SIG 716 assault rifles from the United States is yet another “setback” to the private small arms industry in India, and sharpens focus on the government’s inability to kickstart the AK 203 production factory in Amethi.

When the order for the SIG assault rifles is placed ⁠— under the option clause of the original contract signed for 72,400 rifles ⁠— it would mean that over 1.4 lakh 7.62×51 mm rifles in total will be bought off the shelf from abroad without a ‘Make in India’ initiative.

The domestic industry said the Army’s decision isn’t surprising, but is indeed a setback to them and doesn’t align with the government’s aatma nirbharta (self reliance) push. For now, domestic manufacturers are placing their bets on the Central Armed Police Forces (CAPF), special forces and the state police, besides the export market for their range of assault rifles.


Defence sources said the SIG assault rifles procurement had to do with a weapon already in service with troops. The fact that an option clause was part of the deal means the plan was always to buy more rifles, depending on the feedback and necessity.

On the ‘Make in India’ initiative, a source said it was being promoted through the AK 203 manufacturing factory, which is expected to be the mainstay of the armed forces. The source added that there are several other tenders in the works in which private domestic players are participating.



The Indian Army had been trying to replace their standard INSAS assault rifles for many years but has been unable to so due to varying factors.

The second batch of SIG rifles will arrive after the delivery of the first order this year, which was placed through the Fast Track Process (FTP). The option clause allows the Army to reorder the rifles for the same price within a similar delivery time-frame.

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The new rifles will go to troops in the Northern Command and other operational areas, while the rest of the troops will be equipped with AK 203.


However, the SIG order draws attention to the fact that the government has not been able to start production of AK 203 rifles, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), at the Amethi factory that was inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi last March.

The Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, established between the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), Kalashnikov Concern and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state agency for military exports, has seen a delay in starting production.

Earlier this year, the defence ministry had formed a committee to work out the cost of the AK 203 since the Russian partner and OFB are yet to arrive at an agreed price.

Also read: Indian Army deploys US-, Italy-trained snipers with deadly new rifles along LoC

Domestic industry unhappy
A source in the defence industry said that when the Army suddenly decided to acquire AK 203 under a government-to-government initiative in 2018, it was the first blow. The SIG rifles deal was also a “setback” for private manufacturers.

“The Army’s decision to order for another tranche of rifles from the US is not surprising but is indeed a setback. A number of companies in India have come up with their own rifles and other systems or tied up with foreign companies and set up manufacturing facilities,” the source said.


A second source said, “The arms manufactured by India have to go through multiple tests. From summer trials to winters to high altitude and desert. However, under the FTP model, the foreign manufacturer shows off the ability in their own factory and is selected under emergency clause.”

A third source said, “The talk now is of ‘Make in India’ and ‘Atmanirbartha’. But when domestic industry is offering world-class rifles, the focus is still on procuring from abroad. Do note that the 1.4 lakh rifles from US will be straight import without any Make in India or technology transfer.”

Also read: Two new Israeli assault rifles Arad and Carmel now set to be manufactured in India

Domestic manufacturers up their game
One of the early companies to set up an arms manufacturing plant in India was PLR Systems in a tie-up with Israeli Weapons System (IWI).

Under the deal, the companies began producing weapons like Tavor series, the mainstay of the special forces in India, along with others like the Galil sniper rifle, Uzi Pro submachine gun, Masada pistol and the Negev Light Machine Gun (LMG) with indigenous content ranging from 40-60 per cent.

In case of a repeat order, though, it is sent to IWI directly instead of the local manufacturing unit since there will be a change in the name of the firm.

“This means that there will have to be fresh trials even when it is the same rifle manufactured in India with a large indigenous component,” a third source said.

Bengaluru-based SSS Defence is another company in the domestic market. The company manufactures a sniper, assault rifle and light machine gun.

The rifles are completely indigenously designed, with SSS Defence holding the Intellectual Property Rights for its design.

Bharat Forge of the Kalyani Group also works in the small arms market and has tie-ups with a foreign player for indigenous manufacturing for an Army contract bid.

Also read: AK 203 and Kamov delayed, India and Russia aim for missile deal ahead of Modi visit

Army’s quest for assault rifles
In 2011, the Army issued a global tender for procurement of assault rifles wherein Colt of United States, Beretta of Italy, IWI of Israel and Ceska of Czeck Republic participated.

However, this attempt failed since only the IWI weapon qualified the trials and was declared the resultant single vendor.

The Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), DRDO and OFB also tried to design and develop assault rifles to replace the INSAS. However, none of their weapons made the cut.

Yet another Request for Proposal (RFP) for procurement of assault rifles was issued in 2017 with assurance of a floating RFP in 2018.

Given the situation, it was felt that a certain quantity of rifles needed to be procured on an urgent basis for the frontline troops.

Accordingly, the Indian Army planned to procure 72,400 assault rifles of Calibre 7.62x51mm through the Fast Track Process route.

Later, the Army backed the idea of manufacturing AK rifles jointly with Russia, a project that the Russians had been pushing for a while.

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IA has an approximate strength of 1.4mn personnel. Assuming the deal for 760k AK-203's is delayed or cancelled due to costing issues, we'd eventually replace with some other model which'll obviously be locally produced and that number might go up given we'd have to replace the rifles for all 1.4mn eventually
 
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India can't even make their own rifles? WTF

Yep, we can thank our greatest leader - Nehru - for his vision in creating these giant inefficient behemoths [state owned industries].

As a measure of gratitude for Nehru & his family - India has named many roads, universities etc etc (you name it) after him and his family.

Also, our Nehru liked children very much (immense love)...hence, we celebrate (used to) his birthday as "Children's day".
 
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This make in India is a big fat drama and nothing more. Even if Indian companies produce let say 10 different Assault Rifle series from around the world. Issue is Indian Army can buy one or two of those for themselves.
MII is not just about Defence but includes all types of manufacturing and we've been doing fairly well on other fronts despite the economic downturn

Secondly, why would 5 or 10 different foreign firms mass produce weapons is India when they don't see potential orders from IA or paramilitary forces?

On the other hand if Indian Para Military and Police is not allowed to select from those Rifles and buy them in large numbers this entire Make in India thing will come crashing down
And there is no restriction that Paramilitary or state police are barred from procuring foreign weapons. Infact, Mumbai's Force One and QRT along with Punjab SWAT, Bangalore Garuda Commandos, Andhra Pradesh & Telangana's Octopus commandos all use foreign weapons. MP5 is one of the most common weapon used by State police, SWAT & ATS teams, Paramilitary units and Special Forces as well

Even Mumbai attack had done nothing to wake Indian Government up and seriously reconsider retraining plus Arming Indian Police with better more modular and light weight weapons. Despite India having a friend like Israel.
Training the entire police force to deal with an active shooter situation, particularly the ones like 26/11 where the terrorists are highly trained is a gargantuan task which requires a lot of budget to be allocated which is why State Police have developed SWAT, ATS and QRT teams stationed at major cities who'd be able to react on a short notice. Again, I agree police deployed in major metropolitan cities should be trained to some extent but that is unlikely to happen anytime soon and police will still rely on their SWAT teams unless the situation escalates where NSG had to take over
 
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Their last effort to make an indigenous rifle INSAS was a total disaster. It’s being replaced after only 22 years of service. A well designed rifle has a life cycle of 50 to 70 years. Case in point Lee Enfield, G3, FN FAL, M16/M4, AK47 & derivatives.

Designing a good rifle is not easy. It is a matter of trial and error. An iterative process. A lot of the so called successful rifles from Israel, Korea, Singapore etc. are spin off of other established designs. A new rifle may be good in the short-term but may go bad over time. Certain design features can erode the effectiveness of the rifle overtime or certain actions can slowly bend the barrel. Armies have to be very careful in selecting its standard rifle. Best to go with established names.
My point was regarding "made in India" in general and on the point of amethi from the start it was a political scoring point move
 
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IA has an approximate strength of 1.4mn personnel. Assuming the deal for 760k AK-203's is delayed or cancelled due to costing issues, we'd eventually replace with some other model which'll obviously be locally produced and that number might go up given we'd have to replace the rifles for all 1.4mn eventually

India should've been self-sufficient in small arms decades ago. That this is still a problem in 2020 says loads about India's inability to serve the basic needs of its army. If India really wants "Made in India" to work it needs to beyond slogans and take practical steps like streamlining the procurement process and upgrading defense industry.
 
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MII is not just about Defence but includes all types of manufacturing and we've been doing fairly well on other fronts despite the economic downturn

Secondly, why would 5 or 10 different foreign firms mass produce weapons is India when they don't see potential orders from IA or paramilitary forces?


And there is no restriction that Paramilitary or state police are barred from procuring foreign weapons. Infact, Mumbai's Force One and QRT along with Punjab SWAT, Bangalore Garuda Commandos, Andhra Pradesh & Telangana's Octopus commandos all use foreign weapons. MP5 is one of the most common weapon used by State police, SWAT & ATS teams, Paramilitary units and Special Forces as well


Training the entire police force to deal with an active shooter situation, particularly the ones like 26/11 where the terrorists are highly trained is a gargantuan task which requires a lot of budget to be allocated which is why State Police have developed SWAT, ATS and QRT teams stationed at major cities who'd be able to react on a short notice. Again, I agree police deployed in major metropolitan cities should be trained to some extent but that is unlikely to happen anytime soon and police will still rely on their SWAT teams unless the situation escalates where NSG had to take over

Raising SWAT is job well done, but let say intelligence failure has taken place and terrorists have managed to reach Bus or Railway station or some other crowded place. If a good trained Policeman with Assault Rifle is there he will be the key to stopping those terrorists or keeping them engaged until SWAT arrives. Because even in best case scenario SWAT won't reach the spot before ten minutes and well trained terrorists equipped with AK 47 and hundred magazines and Grenades in those ten minutes they would have caused the damage.

In Mumbai attack in Railway Station Policemen were there but they were very poorly Armed and therefore they failed to stop the attack.
 
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India should've been self-sufficient in small arms decades ago. That this is still a problem in 2020 says loads about India's inability to serve the basic needs of its army. If India really wants "Made in India" to work it needs to beyond slogans and take practical steps like streamlining the procurement process and upgrading defense industry.
With incompetent DPSU's at the helm of arms industry, it's impossible to become self-sufficient. OFB and other DPSU workforce is protesting against privatization since they know they need to work their arse off and couldn't laze off or continue their chai-biscut culture anymore

Raising SWAT is job well done, but let say intelligence failure has taken place and terrorists have managed to reach Bus or Railway station or some other crowded place. If a good trained Policeman with Assault Rifle is there he will be the key to stopping those terrorists or keeping them engaged until SWAT arrives. Because even in best case scenario SWAT won't reach the spot before ten minutes and well trained terrorists equipped with AK 47 and hundred magazines and Grenades in those ten minutes they would have caused the damage.

In Mumbai attack in Railway Station Policemen were there but they were very poorly Armed and therefore they failed to stop the attack.
I agree which is why police force in major metropolitan cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Kolkata should be trained enough to hold the terrorists at bay but unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon unless another such incident takes place. Our measures have always been reactive rather than being proactive
 
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This make in India is a big fat drama and nothing more. Even if Indian companies produce let say 10 different Assault Rifle series from around the world. Issue is Indian Army can buy one or two of those for themselves. On the other hand if Indian Para Military and Police is not allowed to select from those Rifles and buy them in large numbers this entire Make in India thing will come crashing down. Even Mumbai attack had done nothing to wake Indian Government up and seriously reconsider retraining plus Arming Indian Police with better more modular and light weight weapons. Despite India having a friend like Israel.
I guess you’re ignorant, I have seen mumbai police commandos carrying stuff that is more of military, they use .50 cal Snipers, M4A1 SOPMOD Carbines, Ghatak assault rifles, MPX, SG556 etc.
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