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Doklam issue: China’s Xi Jinping has a PLA problem

Every body knows who managed to save her face after stand off. Even 70 warnings were not enough for them.
I see it as China lambasting India daily without a peep response from timid Modi.
Its akin to I use vulgar on you, mom, sister and wife and you timidly kept quiet and say you are calm and mature.
I sure wish you are in Singapore and let me practice that on you.
Frankly if India don't mind being denigrated provocatively daily for 2 months, its OK with me.
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Why the need to derogate India.
China just need to be firm and not give anything away to India, no need to rub salt to injury.
China still want to earn hundreds of billions from the dumb Indians, but not at the expense of loss of reputation or land.
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You guys were the ones chest-thumping. Even your Foreign Ministry statements were too vague. So the onus is on u to provide exact reasons for our withdrawal.
 
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You guys were the ones chest-thumping. Even your Foreign Ministry statements were too vague. So the onus is on u to provide exact reasons for our withdrawal.
China is not stupid India.
China don't do what India does, go around alienating all its neighbors.
That is why China has such a high standing in world affairs compared to India.
You go ask Bhutan, which neighbor they prefer after this Donglang fiasco by India.
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Asked if China had agreed to stop road construction, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters: "I can tell you that Chinese border troops continue to station and patrol in the Donglang area. In order to defend the needs of defending the border and improve living conditions, China has long engaged in road construction in Donglang area. We will take into account all relevant factors including the weather and we will make plans, including for road construction, in accordance with the situation on the ground."

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-china-border-dispute-doklam-road/1/1036185.html

btw, what are the relevant factors your minister talked about ? or its just another spin ?



it was about Xi's control over PLA not particularly related to Dokhlam. understood wannabe chinese ?



No body here thinks that chinese wont repeat dokhlam again. Yes, This new general will take the count of chinese warnings to 100 unlike 70 this time.


Indians look for superficial victories, but Chinese look for substantiated gains, which leads two nations to different paths.

In the case of Doklam standoff, India delayed Chinese road construction temperately, but Chinese started permanent stationing there. win-win proposition IMO. :enjoy:
 
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They are a self-glorifying, self-deceiving people. No cure.
I guess when our Foreign Ministry said that road construction will resume once weather and other conditions permits it is just a lie. We have already created a thread of Indian lies, nobody beats them in that category. In 2017 possessing 132 exaflop supercomputer, 2012 reached supa powa status, having a hyper sonic missile with over 24 Mach, now where have we heard this before? Oh the most notorious myth 1967 victory
 
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Asked if China had agreed to stop road construction, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters: "I can tell you that Chinese border troops continue to station and patrol in the Donglang area. In order to defend the needs of defending the border and improve living conditions, China has long engaged in road construction in Donglang area. We will take into account all relevant factors including the weather and we will make plans, including for road construction, in accordance with the situation on the ground."

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-china-border-dispute-doklam-road/1/1036185.html

btw, what are the relevant factors your minister talked about ? or its just another spin ?



it was about Xi's control over PLA not particularly related to Dokhlam. understood wannabe chinese ?



No body here thinks that chinese wont repeat dokhlam again. Yes, This new general will take the count of chinese warnings to 100 unlike 70 this time.
Strawman n irrelevant cow dung.

Xi 'firing' his general for doing his job in advancing chinese interest?

Ya right hahahahaha.

I guess the PLA soldier who literally kicked the indian soldier in the *** is gonna be dishonorably discharged.

I repeat:

Refrain from using home audience sources in Far East section(u may do so for tabloid entertainment value in South asia section)
 
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The Doklam debate has missed one key element: The mutual withdrawal deal was clinched just after Chinese President Xi Jinping replaced the chief of the People Liberation Army’s (PLA) joint staff department. This topmost position – equivalent to the chairman of the U.S. joint chiefs of staff – was created only last year as part of Xi’s military reforms to turn the PLA into a force “able to fight and win wars”.

The Doklam pullbacks suggest that the removed chief, General Fang Fenghui, was an obstacle to clinching a deal with India and probably was responsible for precipitating the standoff in the first place. Fang was fired just days after he hosted America’s highest-ranking military officer, General Joseph Dunford.

To be sure, this was not the first time that PLA belligerence in the Himalayas imposed diplomatic costs on China. A classic case was what happened when Chinese President Xi Jinping reached India on a state visit in September 2014. Xi arrived on Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s birthday with a strange gift for his host — a predawn Chinese military encroachment deep into Ladakh. The encroachment, the worst in many years in terms of the number of intruding troops, overshadowed Xi’s visit.

It is bizarre that the PLA would seek to mar in this manner the visit of its own head of state to a key neighbouring country. Yet Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s earlier visit to New Delhi in 2013 was similarly preceded by a 19-km PLA incursion into another part of Ladakh that lasted three weeks.

Such provocations might suggest that they are intentional, with the Chinese government in the know, thus reflecting a preference for blending soft and hard tactics. But it is also possible that the provocations underscore the continuing “disconnect between the military and the civilian leadership” in China that then U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates had in 2011 warned about.

Xi’s purges of generals and admirals and other reform-related actions have been designed to consolidate his authority over the PLA and ensure that it does not blindside the government. But as Fang’s firing and other latest changes in the PLA leadership highlight, Xi is still working to bring the military fully under his control.

During his 2014 India visit, Xi appeared embarrassed by the accompanying PLA encroachment and assured Modi that he would sort it out upon his return.

Soon after he returned, the Chinese defence ministry quoted Xi as telling a closed-door meeting with PLA commanders that “all PLA forces should follow his instructions” and that the military must display “absolute loyalty and firm faith in the party.” He has conveyed that same message repeatedly since then, including recently on the 90th anniversary of the PLA’s creation. Had civil control of the PLA been working well, would Xi repeatedly be demanding “absolute loyalty” from the military or asking it to “follow his instructions”?

Under Xi’s two immediate predecessors, Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin, the PLA gradually became stronger at the expense of the party. The military’s growing power has troubled Xi, a former military reservist whose present wife — folk singer Peng Liyuan — is a civilian member of the PLA, holding a rank equivalent to major general.

As part of his effort to reassert party control over the military and carry out defence reforms, Xi has used his anti-corruption campaign to ensnare a number of top PLA officers. He has also cut the size of the ground force and established a new command-and-control structure.

But just as a dog’s tail cannot be straightened, asserting full civil control over the PLA is proving very challenging. After all, the party is ideologically and morally adrift and depends on the PLA to sustain its political monopoly and ensure domestic order. The PLA, with its soaring budgets and expanding role to safeguard China’s overseas interests, sees itself as the ultimate arbiter of Chinese nationalism.

The structural change in China parallels what happened in Imperial Japan, which rose dramatically as a world power in one generation after the 1868 Meiji Restoration. Boosted by war victories against Manchu-ruled China and Tsarist Russia, the Japanese military gradually went on to dictate terms to the civilian government, with tragic consequences.

The PLA’s increasing clout has led China to stake out a more muscular role, including resurrecting territorial and maritime disputes, asserting new dtensions with a new sdf
China’s internal politics clearly has a bearing on its external policy. China’s prospective rise as a praetorian state will adversely affect the security of its neighbours.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/analy...pla-problem/story-bEqRc9linyioqwKJGUP0aO.html

It's so hilarious that the author just copied me when I said that Arun Jaitley was sacked after failing in Donglang standoff two days ago, now he wrote something similar about General Fang Fenghui:lol: , what a copy cat, he must fallowing me all these time to see what I wrotes...I can't believe that I'm so popular that I even have follower in Hindustan times:rofl:
 
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Same reason delusional Indians are celebrating non existent Surgical Strike.
Indians have High Threshold for Tolerance of Shame.
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They also have a high tolerance threshhold for malodour(which explains why they are oblivious to that horrendous body odour they carry on them)
 
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Now rememember thats one of the "more moderate" mainstream papers writing all these falsehoods.

I cant imagine what their nationalistic yellow press is reporting to the population. Im sure a few Million Indians probably believe China actually started an invasion into India, but was chased down by Indians and retreated.
 
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It's so hilarious that the author just copied me when I said that Arun Jaitley was sacked after failing in Donglang standoff two days ago, now he wrote something similar about General Fang Fenghui:lol: , what a copy cat, he must fallowing me all these time to see what I wrotes...I can't believe that I'm so popular that I even have follower in Hindustan times:rofl:
I realized Jaitley was sacked too, replaced by a lady with balls and leg hair....:rofl:. I believe it was a unilateral decision by Jaitley, Modi might have been ill-informed. Both sides changed guards to avoid future confrontation.
 
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I realized Jaitley was sacked too, replaced by a lady with balls and leg hair....:rofl:. I believe it was a unilateral decision by Jaitley, Modi might have been ill-informed. Both sides changed guards to avoid future confrontation.

Haha..Jaitley has never been a defence minister. He had a part time job and the reason is his closeness to modi.
Jaitley is a finance minister of india who had additional ministry of defence. Now india have a full time defence minister.
BTW, all important decision in defence ministry are taken by modi.
 
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