Does the Establishment realize that Pakistan's future is with China?

[Hayreddin]

Pakistan future strategic alliance is with China
But our elite and their children belongs to West

 

[WotTen]

Sorry what ? 1962 Chinese literally give you kashmire, but you act against it on the advise of Americans...

1962 Pakistani ally USA helps India against china and tells Pakistan to back off.

1971 aircraft carrier leaves to help Pakistan 2022 its still haven't made it yet.

1990 India is almost bankrupt Americans pump $40Billion dollars of cash liquidity into Indian credit markets and save India from bankruptcy..

Pakistan literally destroys her economy and radicalizes its population to please Arabs and USA , we are given loans at draconian conditions and put on FATF plus asked to do more

Not going to mention soya beans for f sola(F16) and complete refusal to supply or sell any weapon to Pakistan that will give her edge over India

Please feel free to tell me when does your good relation ship theory with the Americans kick in...

My understanding is that the US had given favorable trade terms to Pakistan in the early years, but we failed to capitalize.

And, yes, Ayub made a monumental blunder by not accepting the Chinese offer to take Kashmir during the 1962 Sino-Indian war.

Of course. America's actions must serve America's interests. Just like Pakistan's actions serve its interests. See how logical international geopolitics can be if one is capable of understanding a few basic principles.

Yes, but it negates your claim that the US was supportive of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program as a balancing act in the region. The US only turned a blind eye to Pakistan's nuclear program because it needed Pakistan's cooperation in the anti-Soviet Afghan war. As soon as that matter was resolved to America's satisfaction, it slapped sanctions on Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, but it negates your claim that the US was supportive of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program as a balancing act in the region. The US only turned a blind eye to Pakistan's nuclear program because it needed Pakistan's cooperation in the anti-Soviet Afghan war. As soon as that matter was resolved to America's satisfaction, it slapped sanctions on Pakistan.

Would it be beyond your capabilities to understand that support need not be an all-or-none thing, or even at a constant level? That Pakistan has nuclear weapons is okay, and anything beyond it in terms of proliferation is not. Other than that, levels of support can go up or down as required to best meet national interest goals, for both sides.

 

[Longhorn]

Nothing stops Pakistan and China from making an open alliance. USA and India will get closer. No one in the Pakistani establishment wants that

What happens to Pakistan when China and India make peace with each other ?



Who buys Pakistani products ? West or China

Who allows more Pakistanis to immigrate ? West or China

Who allows more expatriate remmittances ? West or China

Who holds us back by imposing corrupt governments of their choice upon us?
West or China?

 

[WotTen]

That Pakistan has nuclear weapons is okay

We are going in circles.

To quote HAL from 2001 Space Odyssey, "this conversation can serve no purpose anymore".

 

[VCheng]

Reading plain English seems to be beyond your capabilities, as is a grasp of geopolitics beyond vague platitudes. You have contradicted yourself numerous times within a dozen posts.

Feel free keep us informed on your adventures in D.C. to educate the US administration on their own foreign policy on nuclear non-proliferation.

LOL. As if you were right, China is eager for Pakistan's fraandship?

Given the recent changes, how is all that working out for Pakistan, given the OP and this thread?

 

[WotTen]

LOL. As if you were right, China is eager for Pakistan's fraandship?

Please quote me where I wrote that.

P.S. This below is what I have written consistently.

Most businessmen will take the best deal given to them, whether they are Chinese, Pakistani, American, or Indian.

It is Pakistan's job to have powerful and efficient oversight mechanisms to guard against corruption. The fact that Pakistan does not have such institutions is a conscious decision made over the last 70 years by the corrupt power structure,



There is nothing wrong with China basing its relationship on self-interest. It would be silly to expect any country to do otherwise. Pakistan's job is to find common ground and promote Pakistani interests in that relationship.

The difference between China and America is that America has powerful interest groups which are pathologically anti-Pakistan, whereas there is no such built-in bias in the China-Pakistan relationship.

 

[VCheng]

Please quote me where I wrote that.

P.S. This below is what I have written consistently.

Ah yes, baraat tayyar hey, bus dulhan maan jae. After all, you think Pakistan's establishment should look to China, but "it is not mutual". You really should stop watching Pakistani movies.

 

[ARMalik]

QUESTION - DO RULING ELITES IN PAKISTAN REALIZE THAT THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN LOOTING, THUGERY, BRIBERY, LIES, DECEPTION, MURDER AND TERRROISM IS WRONG??

ANSWER - NO

And hence Pakistan Establishment aka THUG MAFIA does not care what happens to this country !

 

[Adnan12333]

What a silly Question. Do you really think they care for Pakistan future?

They think pak future is with corruption.

 

[The Terminator]

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This book tells the story of the tragic and often tormented relationship between the United States and Pakistan. Pakistan's internal troubles have already threatened US security and international peace, and Pakistan's rapidly growing population, nuclear arsenal, and relationships with China and India will continue to force it upon America's geostrategic map in new and important ways over the coming decades. This book explores the main trends in Pakistani society that will help determine its future; traces the wellsprings of Pakistani anti-American sentiment through the history of US-Pakistan relations from 1947 to 2001; assesses how Washington made and implemented policies regarding Pakistan since the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001; and analyzes how regional dynamics, especially the rise of China, will likely shape US-Pakistan relations. It concludes with three options for future US strategy, described as defensive insulation, military-first cooperation, and comprehensive cooperation.

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Reviews & endorsements​

'Daniel Markey takes the title and opening remarks of No Exit from Pakistan, his book on the US-Pakistani relationship, from Sartre's Huis Clos, a work that contains the famous dictum 'Hell is other people'. Hell, for many US policymakers, is having to work in Pakistan. As Markey writes, the degree of sheer personal animosity felt by parts of the Washington establishment toward Pakistan is beginning to have a serious effect on the clarity of thought about that country.' Anatol Lieven, New York Review of Books

nope Dha > Pakistan
Green card > green passport
AMrikans > Pakistanis
Zardari == Money machine!

US has been using our institutions as freelancers to achieve goals. With Zardari and Co being their ambassadors. There is a saying "lahuu moo lag gaya" in our case it's "rokra moo lag gaya".

A brief history of Pakistan's slavery services to the US as per declassified/leaked documents!

 

[The Terminator]

Mubarak ho, 1 or KhushKhabri!

And most wanted fugitive of Law was found sitting sitting sharing the table in Turkey with Pakistani PM and Turkish President!

Welcome to corrupt Pakistan. The land of mafias!

And Slave masters!

Warning : This land of mafias is under the protection of the "Neutral" Generals of Pak Army and ISI (The Lumber 1 in the world)

 

[The Terminator]