Does Pakistan have a need for Unmanned Ground Vehicles?

[Philip the Arab]

My question is simple, does Pakistan has a need for unmanned ground vehicles?
The reason I ask this is because I am not aware of an UGVs in Pakistan's inventory or indigenously developed UGVs but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
My thought is that they could be useful for Pakistan in these roles.

1. Surveillance.
2. Anti-terrorist Ops.
3. EOD Ops.
4. Logistics and transportation (as demonstrated right now).
5. Anti-armored vehicles and Anti-bankers.

Firstly, surveillance could be useful for Pakistan in a war with India because its a small target that can easily infiltrate into areas where otherwise unsafe for troops to be performing recon.

Secondly, Anti-terrorist Ops with this UGV is a good idea because you aren't risking troops when attacking terrorist camps, targets, etc.

Thirdly, EOD is useful for Pakistan because of the IEDs and land mines around Pakistan in different area and reduces the risk of soldiers dying from explosions.

Fourthly, Logistics and transportation could help with holding the soldiers carrying load such as anti-tank missiles, rations, etc.

Fifthly, UGVs equipped with RPGs or ATGMs could engage armored vehicles such as APCs, IFVs, Tanks, etc or act as a distraction from where the real attack is coming from.

Possible candidates that Pakistan could use include-
Milica is a UGV made by Serbia that provides an anti-tank capabilities provided by two 90mm RPG launchers.

Multi Functional Robot is a UGV made by KADDB of Jordan able to perform long-range, long endurance missions, its designed to provide flexibility for different configurations such as Surveillance, Anti-terrorist Ops, Firefighting Ops, EOD Ops, Logistics and battle field recovery. In an anti-tank role it utilizes dual RPG-32s which can penetrate 650mm of RHA after ERA and 750mm without ERA.

1. 6X6 wheel drive.
2. Daylight-readable, anti-glare screen.
3. Platform is fully electrically driven.
4. Payload is up to 200 kg.
5. Maximum speed is >10 km/h on asphalt roads.
6. Fording capability is up to 15 mm.
7. Trench crossing capability up to 450 mm.
8. Capable of passing vertical step climbing up to 200mm.
9. Equipped with 2 navigation cameras (front view and rear view).
10. Platform is equipped with 2 –way Audio system (microphones and speakers).
11. The operational time is 2 - 3 hours.
12. The operational range is 1500m with line of sight.

KADDB UGV

KADDB also offers another other UGV being named simply Unmanned Ground Vehicle UGV II and it is a 6x6 independent wheel with electric drive, it performs reconnaissance and surveillance operations needed for border security forces, airports and special operations. UGV II utilizes reliable communication link for data, image and video streaming. It can be armed with a 7.62mm machine gun and also 2 RPG-32s.

MDBA and Milrem are offering a anti-tank UGV equipped with two fire and forget missiles.
is a fully modular diesel-electric unmanned ground vehicle that can operate up to 10 hours with a full tank, including up to 1.5 hours in silent mode. It has a top speed of 22 km/h and can carry a payload of 750 kg. It can be operated line of sight, via cameras or equipped with an autonomy kit for fully autonomous operation.

IMPACT is a 250 kg motorised turret designed for light armoured vehicles. IMPACT carries the day/night sensors of the MMP fire control, as well as two ready-to-fire missiles and a 7.62 mm self-protection machine gun and its ammunition. The firing installation commands are displayed remotely in the vehicle cab so that the crew remains safe from enemy fire and adverse weather conditions thereby increasing permanency in combat.

Again, these are just some UGVs I thought could work for Pakistan but I could be wrong. Give me your opinion on if Pakistan needs UGVs or not.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Also, KADDB offers a 3 pound UGV for portable observation and surveillance.

• Complete system with remotely controlled capability
• Designed for observation and surveillance missions
• 4x2 wheel drive mini-robot with an optional rubber track
• Capable of upside down operations
• Equipped with a colored front and back cameras
• Equipped with Infrared (IR) front camera
• Ruggedized structure
• Effective for all terrains
• Rapid deployment

SPECIFICATIONS
Vehicle range (m) 25 m
Payload (kg) 2 kg
Vehicle Weight (c.w) 3 kg
Control unit weight (kg) 1.3 kg
Operational Endurance 1 Hour
Screen 7"

 

[Signalian]

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htcbtsp/articles/20140110.aspx

 

[Philip the Arab]

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htcbtsp/articles/20140110.aspx

No anti-tank capabilities. In urban warfare the UGVs I mentioned could sneak up behind tanks and destroy them while this can't.

 

[Signalian]

No anti-tank capabilities. In urban warfare the UGVs I mentioned could sneak up behind tanks and destroy them while this can't.

Thats not a requirement of PA in urban warfare.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Thats not a requirement of PA in urban warfare.

It isn't a requirement but it is a benefit isn't it? Why have something lesser when you can have something greater than does more jobs. In theory you can save troops lives with UGVs and destroy million dollar equipment. With the Talon the best it can do is swing 40mm grenades at it.
Also, I'm not 100% sure if Pakistan's versions are armed.

 

[Signalian]

It isn't a requirement but it is a benefit isn't it? Why have something lesser when you can have something greater than does more jobs.

TTP doesn't have Tanks.

If PA fights IA in urban combat, both forces will have infantry along with armor, this robot will not see more than 2 minutes of combat. The examples you have seen in ME are mostly tanks without infantry support.

 

[Philip the Arab]

TTP doesn't have Tanks.

If PA fights IA in urban combat, both forces will have infantry along with armor, this robot will not see more than 2 minutes of combat. The examples you have seen in ME are mostly tanks without infantry support.

Are you sure? If India say invades a city or town in Pakistan the roads and buildings would be perfect for ambushes. One robot hiding in say an alley or a even a trashcan with the rockets peeking out could engage a armored vehicle without being noticed until the target was engaged. Look at the Chechen wars, Chechens hid in rooftops and engaged the thin armor of tanks with RPG-7s which gave Russia huge losses.

"Ambushes laid down by small groups of soldiers with handheld anti-tank weapons can effectively destroy entire columns of modern armour (as in the First Battle of Grozny)."

I think it would be best in close quarter combat honestly.

 

[Signalian]

Are you sure? If India say invades a city or town in Pakistan the roads and buildings would be perfect for ambushes. One robot hiding in say an alley or a even a trashcan with the rockets peeking out could engage a armored vehicle without being noticed until the target was engaged. Look at the Chechen wars, Chechens hid in rooftops and engaged the thin armor of tanks with RPG-7s which gave Russia huge losses.

"Ambushes laid down by small groups of soldiers with handheld anti-tank weapons can effectively destroy entire columns of modern armour (as in the First Battle of Grozny)."

As for the ambush, a human operating a portable RPG or ATGM has excellent mobility options. A robot doesn't have the same mobility. IA tanks will have infantry support especially through narrow corridors.

 

[Philip the Arab]

As for the ambush, a human operating a portable RPG or ATGM has excellent mobility options. A robot doesn't have the same mobility. IA tanks will have infantry support especially through narrow corridors.

This is what I was thinking of in Urban combat but I guess I could be wrong.
In theory if you had a UGV there say hiding behind the side near the Atlas logo it it could engage the M113 in the picture because I see no troops near it and all the UGV has to do is roll forward, get a line of sight, and fire a rocket which would destroy the APC of course.

Also, why would they be made and developed if the usefulness isn't there?​

@The SC
Also, would UGVs be helpful for Saudi Arabia or do they already produce it. Jordan would be a good partner because they would most likely give licensed production.

 

[The SC]

This is what I was thinking of in Urban combat but I guess I could be wrong.
In theory if you had a UGV there say hiding behind the side near the Atlas logo it it could engage the M113 in the picture because I see no troops near it and all the UGV has to do is roll forward, get a line of sight, and fire a rocket which would destroy the APC of course.

Also, why would they be made and developed if the usefulness isn't there?​

@The SC
Also, would UGVs be helpful for Saudi Arabia or do they already produce it. Jordan would be a good partner because they would most likely give licensed production.

Both KSA and UAE are producing them..

I think that the 3 pound UGV for portable observation and surveillance might be useful for LOC in Pakistan, but preferably a bit bigger lets say 10 pound with longer range, let's say a 100 m or a bit more....

 

[Philip the Arab]

Both KSA and UAE are producing them..

I think that the 3 pound UGV for portable observation and surveillance might be useful for LOC in Pakistan, but preferably a bit bigger lets say 10 pound with longer range, let's say a 100 m or a bit more....

I don't know if that's the range. I think its the range you can operate it from. Either that or them put meters instead of km.
Also, what do you think of Saudi Arabia license producing the RPG-32? It has a whole lot of variants from vehicle mounted, to tripod mounted, to drone mounted as show above. And, Has great penetration at 650mm with ERA and 750mm without ERA.

 

[The SC]

I don't know if that's the range. I think its the range you can operate it from. Either that or them put meters instead of km.
Also, what do you think of Saudi Arabia license producing the RPG-32? It has a whole lot of variants from vehicle mounted, to tripod mounted, to drone mounted as show above. And, Has great penetration at 650mm with ERA and 750mm without ERA.

KSA

UAE

The Jordanian UGV looks practical..I am sure it can find a place on the southern borders of Saudi Arabia..

 

[Philip the Arab]

KSA

UAE

The Jordanian UGV looks practical..I am sure it can find a place on the southern borders of Saudi Arabia..

Nice, but why does the UAE one say Milrem and Aselsan? Aren't those Estonian and Turkish companies and I would hope the UAE doesn't need to rely on that.
Do you disagree that UGVs would be useful in urban combat?

 

[The SC]

Nice, but why does the UAE one say Milrem and Aselsan? Aren't those Estonian and Turkish companies and I would hope the UAE doesn't need to rely on that.
Do you disagree that UGVs would be useful in urban combat?

Milrem signed a deal with a UAE company to make Milrem in the UAE..it is the best one because it can be modified for different tasks (modular) with relative ease.. Turkish, I am not sure but they were many JVs between the UAE and Turkey..
UGVs can certainly be practical in urban warfare, take for example equipping them with anti-sniper detection systems.. and dozens of other practical applications..