Does anyone know about PAFs Air Force Development Program 2025 which got canceled ?

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Salam, I have been trying to find details of AFDP 2025 which was canceled back in 2013 due to Federal Govt back then cutting funding to it...(funding cuts started in 2007) but final blow was given by Nawaz Sharif but what I am interested in is the details of the project... if anyone has any knowledge please do share...

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In short, it was:

150-200 JF-17
55 F-16 Block-52+
60 F-16 MLU
30-40 J-10A
6 Erieye AEW&C
4 A310 MRTT

The PAF was able to implement most of it, but not to the original plan.

Basically, the A310 MRTT (or even the costlier A330 MRTT) was not on offer due to Indo-US pressure. However, the PAF dealt the MRTT with used IL-78s from Ukraine. Not ideal, but it gets the job done.

As for the Erieye, it basically split the program in two parts (4 in 2006-2010 and 3+ in 2017-2021).

The JF-17 is continuing as planned (50 Block-I, 62 Block-II, 50 Block-III, and 26 JF-17B).

The PAF tried keeping up with the F-16, but it wasn't enthusiastic about paying for them from its own money. If FMF and CSF were available, the PAF would've probably bought more new planes in small batches.

The PAF walked back on the J-10As due to lack of funding and marginal gains over the JF-17. In 2016, it took another look at the J-10A as well as Su-35, Typhoon, and Gripen. Obviously, nothing happened there.

In short, everything from the West got canned, scaled back, or reworked. Stuff involving our industry and/or Eastern partners (China, Ukraine, etc) continued. That's the lesson.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

In short, it was:

150-200 JF-17
55 F-16 Block-52+
60 F-16 MLU
30-40 J-10A
6 Erieye AEW&C
4 A310 MRTT

The PAF was able to implement most of it, but not to the original plan.

Basically, the A310 MRTT (or even the costlier A330 MRTT) was not on offer due to Indo-US pressure. However, the PAF dealt the MRTT with used IL-78s from Ukraine. Not ideal, but it gets the job done.

As for the Erieye, it basically split the program in two parts (4 in 2006-2010 and 3+ in 2017-2021).

The JF-17 is continuing as planned (50 Block-I, 62 Block-II, 50 Block-III, and 26 JF-17B).

The PAF tried keeping up with the F-16, but it wasn't enthusiastic about paying for them from its own money. If FMF and CSF were available, the PAF would've probably bought more new planes in small batches.

The PAF walked back on the J-10As due to lack of funding and marginal gains over the JF-17. In 2016, it took another look at the J-10A as well as Su-35, Typhoon, and Gripen. Obviously, nothing happened there.

In short, everything from the West got canned, scaled back, or reworked. Stuff involving our industry and/or Eastern partners (China, Ukraine, etc) continued. That's the lesson.

So Only good thing that happened was we got on our own feet...

Anyways Thanks bro keep doing what you are doing with your website really appreciative work

 

[Tamiyah]

In short, it was:

150-200 JF-17
55 F-16 Block-52+
60 F-16 MLU
30-40 J-10A
6 Erieye AEW&C
4 A310 MRTT

The PAF was able to implement most of it, but not to the original plan.

Basically, the A310 MRTT (or even the costlier A330 MRTT) was not on offer due to Indo-US pressure. However, the PAF dealt the MRTT with used IL-78s from Ukraine. Not ideal, but it gets the job done.

As for the Erieye, it basically split the program in two parts (4 in 2006-2010 and 3+ in 2017-2021).

The JF-17 is continuing as planned (50 Block-I, 62 Block-II, 50 Block-III, and 26 JF-17B).

The PAF tried keeping up with the F-16, but it wasn't enthusiastic about paying for them from its own money. If FMF and CSF were available, the PAF would've probably bought more new planes in small batches.

The PAF walked back on the J-10As due to lack of funding and marginal gains over the JF-17. In 2016, it took another look at the J-10A as well as Su-35, Typhoon, and Gripen. Obviously, nothing happened there.

In short, everything from the West got canned, scaled back, or reworked. Stuff involving our industry and/or Eastern partners (China, Ukraine, etc) continued. That's the lesson.

Nice and informative read. Thank you Bilal.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... In 2016, it took another look at the J-10A as well as Su-35, Typhoon, and Gripen. ...

Were they serious about Su-35 or just browsing?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Were they serious about Su-35 or just browsing?

IIRC...they were interested in 30-40 fighters from among those options, but for one reason or another, there wasn't enough ground for a deal. If you've got issues with the US, India, and money, then none of those were going to be realistic options in the end.

 

[volatile]

Threat perception changes in last 10 years our primary focus remains on Eastern border and with IAF going for 4++ Generation and US /China divorced relationship project AZM took place for vision 2025

 

[AUz]

In short, it was:

150-200 JF-17
55 F-16 Block-52+
60 F-16 MLU
30-40 J-10A
6 Erieye AEW&C
4 A310 MRTT

Damn, what a potent fleet would that be. PAF would have significantly more muscle behind it

Hopefully we dont get restricted by funding in the future, and actually procure the necessary military firepower----especially as our allies' industries mature (China+Turkey).

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Damn, what a potent fleet would that be. PAF would have significantly more muscle behind it

Hopefully we dont get restricted by funding in the future, and actually procure the necessary military firepower----especially as our allies' industries mature (China+Turkey).

If you really look at it, the only real 'casualty' from the original plan were the F-16s.

I imagine the PAF can get the J-10CE if it has the money and chooses to spend it that way, and that can fill in the lack of the F-16s. Likewise, the PAF can also stretch JF-17B and Block-III production by 2 years and build 16-32 additional aircraft. So, it's on-track to getting 90-95% of the original plan.

 

[Super Falcon]

Pak should buy SU 35 in small numbers to counter iaf threat and take air superiority of our skies 36 jets shoukd do tge deal we can pay yearly basiswe need air superiority jet our skies at greater risks remember we are nuke state if iaf penetrated our air our multi billion ollars nukes infastructure at their mercy

 

[Super Falcon]

Pak should buy SU 35 in small numbers to counter iaf threat and take air superiority of our skies 36 jets shoukd do tge deal we can pay yearly basiswe need air superiority jet our skies at greater risks remember we are nuke state if iaf penetrated our air our multi billion ollars nukes infastructure at their mercy