Do you support Azadi March?

[Jaanbaz]

or simply he was never in majority coz he only yelled Muhajirs!

What lol? He can easily win national assembly seats from Karachi or Hyderabad. But he didn't.

 

[Leader]

Expose by staying within the parameters of the constitution. We did not vote for them to start giving us impression of these parties being controlled by other elements besides the party itself. We wanted to see a true democratic party in Pakistan but so far it seems the party has not learnt to gel together after gaining some ground after the general elections and there has been tons of rifts within PTI. It is time for them to reorganise themselves and perform in whatever ground they have gained after the general elections. The solution to PTI's problem is found within the parliament by creating political pressure on the government to make electoral reforms, create a fair ground for elections before ever demanding for midterm elections. For me they should be asserting on e-voting technology, new election commissioner, exposing corruption, putting pressure on the government for working more n more on energy, extremism, education and health sector rather than wasting billions of rupees of the public by shutting down the businesses and holding the entire city hostage and leading us to the state of anarchy.

If the government is toppled under current scenario it only means that the constitution is violated once again and the army takes over. Does PTI want that? if not then what other option is there before they can convince us the general voters about the right time for midterm election? If the government resigns tomorrow and the elections are held at this scenario when the election commission is not even as powerful as they were in 2013, where are we heading to? On top of that, they only find the time when we are fighting the ultimate war against terrorism.

I don't want to see the repeat of 2013 General Elections, i want them to work towards improving the the election process and making it possible for the government to hold free n fair elections

puff... parameters of constitution, dear wordsmith, what is unconstitutional about it?

 

[ice_man]

no amount of re elections wil get PAKISTAN anywhere until we have electoral reforms. so all this is pointless until and unless we get reforms of the process.

It is naive if not out right dumb to expect a different result under the same system of voting.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Bad timing

 

[Jazzbot]

I support it.


@Aether first of all, about your post:

Personally, I don't want this govt to be toppled. IK also didn't want it till just a couple of weeks ago. Its a shame that things have been brought to such low today that even a democracy friendly person like IK is forced to talk about taking such steps. But this is what happen when you refuse others from their rights, Justice in this case. Its been a hard 14 months struggle by PTI to get Justice, but after exercising all their options, Pakistan's second largest political party didn't get any Justice. Imagine in which state poor people of this country are living today if this is happening to PTI.

About care taker, ECP etc:

No. We don't want army to interfere. Most likely a non-military caretaker setup will be formed. But these questions is out of scope right now. ECP will be totally revamped, this is one of basic demands of PTI. Listen to IK's today's presser.


About Operation in Fata:

That's a concern, but I think army should have enough resources to keep on with the operation for a couple of months. I'm no expert at this though.


Foreign reputation, IMF and WB affairs etc:
These things are bound to happen when there is unrest in the country. No one is denying that. But the thing is, we are facing these things since ages because of continuous unrest in this country. Initially because of democracy / marshal law, then due to wars, then due to PPP / PMLN music chair democracy and then marshal law followed by a clown's corrupt govt. Now we'll continue to have this situation in future if these things will keep on like this. For a greater cause, if we have to face these things, which we are already facing since ages in one way or another, then its not a bad choice.


About current govt's developments, dams etc:

If govt is gonna create projects like Nandi Pur, and imposing heavy tax at solar panels than no thanks. I have less hope in them after seeing above two things.


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Now anyone who think that NS has changes, he is good for this country or he will bring anything good to this country should visit this thread and open his eyes: King Nawaz Sharif bin Abdul Aziz's journey back home from KSA

This is the same old dump and corrupt Nawaz Sharif we are talking about. A thief who is representing our country right now due to fake mandate. They have robbed the 2013 elections and then they have denied Justice to everyone who has raised voice against this rigging. Those days are gone, when no one cared about the rigging or just kept mum after making secret deals, today we'll do whatever we'll have to do to get Justice. If this system can't give Justice, then to hell with this system too. We don't need a system that can't protect basic rights of the people of Pakistan. This system should be uprooted and revamped completely. Enough is enough.

 

[Hyde]

Personally, I don't want this govt to be toppled. IK also didn't want it till just a couple of weeks ago. Its a shame that things have been brought to such low today that even a democracy friendly person like IK is forced to talk about taking such steps. But this is what happen when you refuse others from their rights, Justice in this case. Its been a hard 14 months struggle by PTI to get Justice, but after exercising all their options, Pakistan's second largest political party didn't get any Justice. Imagine in which state poor people of this country are living today if this is happening to PTI.

Gain political advantage by protesting and keep eating mentioning the same thing in the media. Toppling the government when we are fighting a war is not the right step forward

About care taker, ECP etc:

No. We don't want army to interfere. Most likely a non-military caretaker setup will be formed. But these questions is out of scope right now. ECP will be totally revamped, this is one of basic demands of PTI. Listen to IK's today's presser.

This is the most critical issue before the next elections are held. Without military's interference fresh elections can't be held as the assemblies can't be dissolved. If Military takes an action, Imran will be blamed and will be considered the puppet of military. If military does not take action, it may lead to anarchy if Imran didn't revert to his aggressive stance.

ECP needs to be overhauled and that is only possible if the questions and solutions are raised in the parliament. The street politics will only worsen the matter

About Operation in Fata:

That's a concern, but I think army should have enough resources to keep on with the operation for a couple of months. I'm no expert at this though.

It is not only about the operation. If PTI resigns from the national assembly and not from the K-P government, its resignation may not be as significant and if it does resign from both places then operation zarb e azb will be heavily effected. It's just not the right time for marches and protests

Foreign reputation, IMF and WB affairs etc:
These things are bound to happen when there is unrest in the country. No one is denying that. But the thing is, we are facing these things since ages because of continuous unrest in this country. Initially because of democracy / marshal law, then due to wars, then due to PPP / PMLN music chair democracy and then marshal law followed by a clown's corrupt govt. Now we'll continue to have this situation in future if these things will keep on like this. For a greater cause, if we have to face these things, which we are already facing since ages in one way or another, then its not a bad choice.

We were about to get defaulted when the government took over. Now the situation is much better, even the credit rating is improved indicating better financial position of the country. Anarchy may not only put us near the brink of bankruptcy but raise the foreign debts so much that it may not be tolerable for the best management ever (be it from PTI or wherever)

 

[Zarvan]

If that is going to be criteria then be ready to vote for Jamat-e-Islami, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and some religious political parties in Pakistan. None of the major political parties would fulfil this criteria as I last time checked even Imran Khan does use helicopters and planes for travelling around the country.

There fuel is paid from party fund and his own income not KPK goverment with Imran his own opponents know you can't come up with money related corruption that is why they come up with sita and daughter thing

 

[Zarvan]

Gain political advantage by protesting and keep eating mentioning the same thing in the media. Toppling the government when we are fighting a war is not the right step forward



This is the most critical issue before the next elections are held. Without military's interference fresh elections can't be held as the assemblies can't be dissolved. If Military takes an action, Imran will be blamed and will be considered the puppet of military. If military does not take action, it may lead to anarchy if Imran didn't revert to his aggressive stance.

ECP needs to be overhauled and that is only possible if the questions and solutions are raised in the parliament. The street politics will only worsen the matter


It is not only about the operation. If PTI resigns from the national assembly and not from the K-P government, its resignation may not be as significant and if it does resign from both places then operation zarb e azb will be heavily effected. It's just not the right time for marches and protests


We were about to get defaulted when the government took over. Now the situation is much better, even the credit rating is improved indicating better financial position of the country. Anarchy may not only put us near the brink of bankruptcy but raise the foreign debts so much that it may not be tolerable for the best management ever (be it from PTI or wherever)

yes credit had removed because we have taken double loans other that no solid thing has come up

 

[Zarvan]

Gain political advantage by protesting and keep eating mentioning the same thing in the media. Toppling the government when we are fighting a war is not the right step forward



This is the most critical issue before the next elections are held. Without military's interference fresh elections can't be held as the assemblies can't be dissolved. If Military takes an action, Imran will be blamed and will be considered the puppet of military. If military does not take action, it may lead to anarchy if Imran didn't revert to his aggressive stance.

ECP needs to be overhauled and that is only possible if the questions and solutions are raised in the parliament. The street politics will only worsen the matter


It is not only about the operation. If PTI resigns from the national assembly and not from the K-P government, its resignation may not be as significant and if it does resign from both places then operation zarb e azb will be heavily effected. It's just not the right time for marches and protests


We were about to get defaulted when the government took over. Now the situation is much better, even the credit rating is improved indicating better financial position of the country. Anarchy may not only put us near the brink of bankruptcy but raise the foreign debts so much that it may not be tolerable for the best management ever (be it from PTI or wherever)

sorry but this excuse off not right time is used every time

 

[Zarvan]

and above all if most elections is fraud than fraud goverments don't bring progress

 

[Spring Onion]

they have right to protest though i dont support any toppling.

This government must complete its tenure

 

[Hyde]

yes credit had removed because we have taken double loans other that no solid thing has come up

indeed the loan is taken and I had created a dedicated thread to grill the government but also the point to be noted is losses incurred by national assets are reduced this year. Not enough but still a positive step towards the right direction

This debate is out of question as the matter reason for toppling the government are claimed to be the rigging in general elections and not their effort towards improving the economy

sorry but this excuse off not right time is used every time

Definitely not the right time when you are in the state of war

 

[Danish saleem]

Asalam-o-alikum,

After Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Libya and Palestine, its a need of international powers to distabilize Pakistan, and start civil war hear among the Religious sects and Political Parties.

Senerio is developing, because if on 14th of August PML N government resigns, then workers of PML N will be on the roads,against PAT and PTI, and its perfect time to distabilize Pakistan's biggest population, and create uncertainty between the people of Pakistan.

 

[rockstar08]

I will support IK above any other leader expect mushi ...
at least he is better than NS and Haramdari bhutto's ... and no other leader is capable of being a PM ...
Qadri has a very good vision about future changes in electronal process and Pakistan with whole new look of Pakistan provisional and national assembly including local govt body ..but sad thing is Qadri and IK is missing the golden opportuinity to change the fate of Pakistan forever ...

so my vote is " YES "

 

[airmarshal]

Of course.

Any sane person must accept the current system of voting is flawed and favors those who use power on the day of election.

We need electoral reforms. A vote is a trust. How will you feel if your money is stolen from bank account and is being used by someone you see in front of you everyday?

This govt came into being through rigged elections. There is no doubt about it. But pulling down this govt is no use. The next election will be even more worse. We need to reform electoral system and that is why we must support this struggle.

It does not matter you support PTI or not. But PTI is doing is for the common good of rest of Pakistan.

How can someone be your leader who does not even want to celebrate eid with you?