Do you like Mahatma Gandhi?

[ashokdeiva]

OK.....first of all my forefathers served in INA. Netaji not died in 1945 he resided in Tamilnadu especially in Ramanathapuram district under the supervision of Pasumpon muthuramaliga thevar.He stayed till 1960 in TN then he moved to China. I think you are frm Tamilnadu just watch documentary regarding this in Makkal TV if have a chance. If you think I am fool go ahead.

so now you are telling untold stories that is not documented any where but by Makal TV.
There are quite a few good programs in Makal TV like malarum boomi, etc. but there are few programs that are aimed at twisting facts to unify the south districts and ask for a seperate state by Mr Ramados and co.

 

[medulla]

so now you are telling untold stories that is not documented any where but by Makal TV.
There are quite a few good programs in Makal TV like malarum boomi, etc. but there are few programs that are aimed at twisting facts to unify the south districts and ask for a seperate state by Mr Ramados and co.

I told that for your reference , If u genuinely interested in Netaji history just go to Kamuthi and associated villages and clarify that I think whole city/ villages won't lie. I am betting 20000INR wat u say?

In those regions if you saying that Netaji was died in flight crash means everybody won't laugh frm mouth ......................................

 

[ashokdeiva]

I told that for your reference , If u genuinely interested in Netaji history just go to Kamuthi and associated villages and clarify that I think whole city/ villages won't lie. I am betting 20000INR wat u say?

just because a whole village tells it, does not mean that they are telling the truth, do you know how a magician makes a elaphant diappear infront of a large audiance, Its all "Mis directions" my friend.
By the way i got to go home, its my wifes b day tomorrow. will have our debate later.

 

[medulla]

just because a whole village tells it, does not mean that they are telling the truth, do you know how a magician makes a elaphant diappear infront of a large audiance, Its all "Mis directions" my friend.
By the way i got to go home, its my wifes b day tomorrow. will have our debate later.

Ramanathapuram was a INA belt once have u knw tat? so ur point is INA family people lying. Its difficult to argue with fools like you. Have an nice day dear. end of discussions case closed.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Ramanathapuram was a INA belt once have u knw tat? so ur point is INA family people lying. Its difficult to argue with fools like you. Have an nice day dear. end of discussions case closed.

oh yes, if it is true, it would have not gone un noticed by the rest of the world historians, and finally when you do not have an iota of knowlege what you are talking about you'll go for personal attack.
Good I understood the level of your mental ability when you accused Netaji of ordering his white soldiers to put thier gun in the mouth and ordered them to blow their brains.
Even if he had ordered so, I seriously doubt any one would have followed such stupid order.

 

[zip]

If atleast one or two of all those who hate gandhi are greater patriots and thinkers than him than many of social ills present in our present society have long gone..

 

[indushek]

I admire Gandhi, but do not like him.

He was a supernatural force, somebody who could not be resisted, ruthless when he had to be or wanted to be, strict on personal integrity, harsh with those who did not fall in with his demands, a difficult husband, a bad father, a charming friend to those who mattered, able to smash through the barriers of race and class with his candour, principled to a fault, but adherent only to his own principles, not to those of others, finally, a visionary, who saw into public affairs and into the hearts of men, both of his sort and very different.

How does make me, or anyone else, like him?

His age, his physical frailty (only on the surface) and his dimensions incited a lot of sympathy. Wasted sympathy, because he did what he had to, with little concern for other feelings.

At the end of the day, he was a winner. He won over the British Empire, and it does not matter how many qualifications one places before his feat, it was, and is, still of heroic proportions.

There is much to admire, little to like.

That is why I admire him, but cannot like him.

Can you give me an answer on this one question i always had and still have as strong as a belief of sorts. Do u think if the UK didn't suffer as it did in WWII financially and militarily, they would have given up their crown jewel??

Here is my belief based on one or two facts, I think Netaji's efforts on garnering support from overseas for Military help had put more pressure on the crown than the ahimsa movements. Personally i think Mr. Gandhi's movements mostly would have amused them (british) as the saas bahu entertainment on television now a days. I could be wrong too.

If the UK was successful militarily overwhelmingly and wasn't drained of its financial resources as it was in WWII it wouldn't have let India go. The case of Falklands is an example i consider here, they fought a war with Argentina over them.

It might seem offtopic but ur assertion that Mr. Gandhi won over the British seems fallacious statement to me, in light of my above arguments.

 

[Developereo]

assertion that Mr. Gandhi won over the British seems fallacious statement to me

I agree. As much as I respect Gandhi, the fact is that the age of colonialism had run its course and colonies all over the world were getting their independence, with or without Gandhi.

Certainly, Gandhi's actions surely hastened independence, but British departure was always on the cards.

 

[indushek]

I agree. As much as I respect Gandhi, the fact is that the age of colonialism had run its course and colonies all over the world were getting their independence, with or without Gandhi.

Certainly, Gandhi's actions surely hastened independence, but British departure was always on the cards.

Actually by saying that "Gandhi's actions surely hastened independence", you are supporting the argument that Mr. Gandhi's actions some how were instrumental in bringing about the Independence. I think that not one of his actions served the purpose, and it was unrelated circumstances which led to our Independence.

 

[Developereo]

Actually by saying that "Gandhi's actions surely hastened independence", you are supporting the argument that Mr. Gandhi's actions some how were instrumental in bringing about the Independence. I think that not one of his actions served the purpose, and it was unrelated circumstances which led to our Independence.

It gave the British a face saving exit, rather than going through some bloody war of independence.

 

[MastanKhan]

Best quote of Mahatma Gandhi An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.

Sir,

That was the STUPIDEST quote of the century----and i have often wondered who the fool was who stated that---till I learnt it was Gandhi----( please don't get upset at me ).


This quote mean---that the world is full of idiots and dumb people----who cannot learn from looking at things---and learn from their mistakes . Suppose you cut the hand of a person for stealing---how many hands do you need to cut to bring this crime to a minimal on a regualr basis!

This moto is only suitable for the strong---who can abuse the weak and when the weak want to seek revenge---they reply an eye for an eye will make the world go blind----.

Yeah---"when it is your turn to beat the sh-it out of me---it is okay----but if I want to retaliate---the world will go blind---'.

How many of you will still commit a similar crime if 10 out of your 100 friends had lost their eyes as punishment or in revenge---i would say none---because you are not idiots---you are intelligent people with brilliant minds---you will take a different route in your lives---

Gandhi---I guess believed in 3/4 th of this story


" *
Stage 1:*
I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost. I am helpless. It isn't my fault. It takes forever to find a way out.*


Stage 2:*
I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again. I can't believe I am in this same place. But it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.*

**
Stage 3:*
I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it is there. I fall in...it's a habit...but my eyes are open. I know where I am. It is my fault. I get out immediately.*


Stage 4:*
I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.*


Stage 5:*
I walk down a different street".

Criminals hate when pain is inflicted upon them----pain on their personna is what they fear the most---that is why they tell you---I am going to come after you---I am going to destroy you---but if you destroy them on regulat basis---they begin to start towing the line---be like regular people.

 

[F.O.X]

i will go with this quote of Jinnah

No settlement with the majority is possible as no hindu leader speaking with any authority shows any concern or genuine desire for it
(1937-Congress Finally)


And this was in 1937 10 years before Partition , which shows that no Hindu leader wished for Any Power for Muslims , He was a Leader who only Look at one side of the picture .

And As Lord Pethich ( Sectory of state for India ) said :
Gandhi died by the hands of an assassin; Jinnah died by his devotion to Pakistan

Gandhi wanted to Rule Muslims without giving them much power , for which I never Liked him & Never probably will .

 

[jbond197]

^^^^
What a bull!! But I don't blame you because history has been taught to you that way..

Jinnah was a lawyer brought to the front by muslim landlords and industrialists who were scared that they will never be able to compete Hindu Baniya Industrialists in Independent India. He was only representing their concern and getting a separate country was last of his wishes. Pakistan formed because Cabinet mission plan failed to get acceptance which caused jitters to the Muslim league ego and hence the call for the fight on the streets was made by Jinnah. So you please throw that devotion piece aside as all that happened was pure business and politics nothing else..


About Gandhi - I don't like him but believe me he is the reason that we have more than 140 million Muslims in India. He was killed because he wanted some 55 crores to be given to Pakistan which many nationalists didn't like.. so yes he was assassined but for helping Pakistan..

 

[Joe Shearer]

Can you give me an answer on this one question i always had and still have as strong as a belief of sorts. Do u think if the UK didn't suffer as it did in WWII financially and militarily, they would have given up their crown jewel??

Here is my belief based on one or two facts, I think Netaji's efforts on garnering support from overseas for Military help had put more pressure on the crown than the ahimsa movements. Personally i think Mr. Gandhi's movements mostly would have amused them (british) as the saas bahu entertainment on television now a days. I could be wrong too.

If the UK was successful militarily overwhelmingly and wasn't drained of its financial resources as it was in WWII it wouldn't have let India go. The case of Falklands is an example i consider here, they fought a war with Argentina over them.

It might seem offtopic but ur assertion that Mr. Gandhi won over the British seems fallacious statement to me, in light of my above arguments.

It is impossible to apply 'weights' to the various factors that made the British leave when they did. In parenthesis, it must be noted that they had planned to stay on till around 1970, and were locally, within the Colony, totally unprepared for an early withdrawal.

Some of the factors that can be listed are

1. Gandhi and the civil struggle for freedom;
2. The weakening hold on the huge number of Indians serving in the military, shown by the recruitments that Bose could undertake, AND the RIN mutiny;
3. The utter war-weariness of the British troops: I have eye-witness accounts about their reluctance to take even the slightest risk at the closing stages, which are thought-provoking;
4. The social revolution within Britain, whereby the socialist Labour party came to power, and decided that the Empire which mainly fed their political opponents, the upper and middle classes, ought to go;

It is not possible to suggest which had what proportion of influence. It is known that Attlee never thought the civil struggle to be worth much. In later life, when he was questioned, he made a derisive reply. Bose's contribution was worth nothing in military terms, but worth a lot of worry for a ruling nationality that had undergone 1857, 90 years before (the time gap between today and events in 1922). The last two cannot be discounted, but certainly aren't the only two reasons to take into account.

So there you are.

 

[Bhairava]

He was like any other human....had his strong points..had his failings.

He may not be the absolute Messiah some make him out to be (pioneered religion based politics like Khilafat movement) and he may not be the absolute devil others make him out to be.

Maybe one can say about him roughly as a man with a "net positive" side who happened to be at the right place in right time.