Do you believe in god ?

[sameer-abc]

and god doesn't exists because ........(drum roll) you said so!!!!!

wow, that's an incredible logic there, perhaps your the new Charles Darwin!

Thats the logic after all!

For which merciful God allow beheading, chopping, amputations, floging, stonning?

If he does, he is cruel!
It means he is no God. Period.

 

[Safriz]

Your comparing non living matter with living matter it doesn't work like that . Iron is also made in outer space you can see that metorids contain iron too. Anyways to get back at your point. Acording to you God did it or hand in it and i have no problem with that. I just like to point out i am not arguing about god i am just saying evolotion is indeed a fact where as the process by which it happens can be a bit flawed. But yea acording to you god did it i just say "nature" did it we both have our personal prespective =p.

also you have to excuse me on my poor grammers and spellings i have a minor case of Dyslexia. Anyways all the best ;D

No i am comparing the probability..as in mathematical probability of elements randomly combining and creating a thing as complicated as living matter...as living things incorporate more elements from the periodic table than a jumbo jet...If Natural Random selection can go to such an extreme an intricately combine so many random materials to form such a complex structure as living matter..There was more than double of the probability that we had found a jumbo jet randomly created by wind,earthquakes and meteorites..But is there any explanation why that didn't happen?
Saying that all this happened at random is lame.

 

[Valiant_Soul]

To the the atheists

Here is some food for thought - think about the laws of Nature and think about how they are enforced.

 

[gubbi]

My belief in God is scientific.

The thing is science cannot disprove God, nor can it prove how life came into existence.

The theory of God is better than the theory of evolution. Since theory of evolution does not explain how the first life came to be. Which shows that life was made by an intelligent being by design.

So the theory of God holds stronger than the theory of Evolution.

This is exactly how proponents of Intelligent Design start their arguments. ID is full of malarkey, finding minor gaps in Evolution and then claiming to have nullified the whole theory without as much as providing irrefutable proofs otherwise.

It has been proven time and again that primordial soup was the incubator for many of our building block molecules. Conditions were perfect for synthesis of simple molecules, something similar to microwave synthetic chemistry. Involvement of Intelligent Design is all malarkey. Many recent advances in our understanding of cellular machinery shows how small molecules modulate their own synthesis and degradation.

Science is NOT out to disprove existence of God. But yes, religious nutcases are out to disprove logical and factual science.

Now as far as religion is concerned, there has to be room for error as man gets involved here and hence everything should be critiqued and judged, but that doesn't mean that we also ascribe things to it, judging what God would probably want us to do.

Where & when did the concept of God originate? Isnt that an idea out of the fertile minds of humans? If not, then why dont we see or hear God? Why work in mysterious ways when God (the all knowing and all understanding and all compassionate) can simplify the process by direct contact? Is God that incompetent that he/she could not come up with an effective direct process?

Religions, as we know and define them are full of illogical things. Almost all religions say that there is a direct connection between God and his/her creations. And yet, that direct communication doesnt ever happen. We have all sorts of middle men/women who claim to "talk" to God on our behalf and order us to submit to their interpretation of "whatever". And then we have Prophets.

Why do we need Prophets or need to believe what they have to say? Why cant God talk to us directly?

Prayer/Worship should not be mandatory in terms we usually think off. We think if we don't worship God, we would go to hell. Instead it should be that if we don't worship God we're being rude and offensive to a being that gave you life and everything else. It shouldn't be understood that God wants you to worship, it should be that you want to worship God.

Again, where did these concepts of Hell and Heaven come from? If God loves all his/her creations equally, why does he/she punish them AFTER they are dead? Why not punish them immediately? Why create Hell and Heaven? Has anyone seen those entities?

Islam has all avenues open for it to become the perfect such religion. Only thing is its implementation and for Muslims to have the courage to think out of the box and realize that practically there is nothing wrong in this, and technically a more modern approach to God and religion holds true as per the Quran.

All religions, particularly the organized ones, claim to be perfect. And yet, they all suppress logical questioning and independent thought processes. All those demand complete submission to the "Almighty" as ordered by the clerics, priests, ministers, rabbis etc!

But then again, Religion is a necessary evil to keep humanity in check by fear.

 

[Desert Fox]

You are an angry man Anyway, I said i can't help you in understanding what I am trying to say.

And you sir are ignorant and disrespectful man

understand what, that i'm descended from apes? what kind of logic is that! I'm very tall person with thick skin, does this mean i'm descended from a Giraffe? you can't prove anything other than Darwin theory which was just a theory by a pseudo intellectual.

Do you have any proof that islam existed in the world before Muhammad was born? Please don't show Zakir Naik's speeches. No one buys that.

but why don't you buy that? is it because you can't refute him? aww poor you

and yes i do have proof, i have the Quran, and i have already proved to you that Islam existed before Muhammad (pbuh) but like a ignorant fool you keep posting the same bs over again "prove to me Islam existed before Muhammad" like a broken record.

Quran itself was written in 7th century . So it cannot claim about things before that.

i have the Quran as a proof, i don't need some pseudo intellectual to tell me that i'm descended from a wild beast, and neither do i need you someone who has not even little knowledge of the Abrahamic Religions to tell me whether or not Islam exited before Muhammad (pbuh) or not.

 

[sameer-abc]

but why don't you buy that? is it because you can't refute him?

Would you accept from me such youtube videos of athiest scholars and start refuting them?

Shall I start?

 

[Desert Fox]

Thats the logic after all!

its logic with no logic in it

If he does, he is cruel!
It means he is no God. Period.

God is cruel? have you met God personally? I've been reading the words of God the holy Quran and at the beginning of every chapter i've read "In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most beneficent".

Have you met God personally? If so then provide me the evidence that he's cruel(logical evidence or else i won't believe it).

 

[Desert Fox]

Would you accept from me such youtube videos of athiest scholars and start refuting them?

Shall I start?

getting ahead of our selves now are we? why should you start? but aren't you Atheists the one who brought Zakir Naik into the topic in the first place? I hadn't even thought of him until you Atheists brought him in!

 

[sameer-abc]

God is cruel? have you met God personally? I've been reading the words of God the holy Quran and at the beginning of every chapter i've read "In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most beneficent".

Hence the beheading, stonning, flogging, amputations!
Very merciful no?

 

[sameer-abc]

but aren't you the one who brought Zakir Naik into the topic in the first place?

Show me any such post, or admit that you are on opium...

 

[Desert Fox]

Hence the beheading, stonning, flogging, amputations!
Very merciful no?

Beheadings, stonings, floggings, but these are committed by Humans! Are you trying to say humans are God? what a logic you have there!

going by your logic, prisoning criminals and executing mass murderrers is also cruel therefor people the likes of Hitler and stalin should not be punished for their crimes as they should be let free. Right?

great logic man, you people are going to turn Earth into a paradise with this logic

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Show me any such post, or admit that you are on opium...

hmmmm, personal attacks, not a nice move on your part...... Whats the matter, your own medicine doesn't taste good?

admit that your on cocain

 

[gubbi]

Oh and this, If anyone has read VS Ramachandran's book Phantoms in the Brain, he mentions the direct relation between brain dysfunction and extreme religious (out of body) experiences.

Most of the people who claim to have extreme religious experiences, something "out of the body", almost always suffer from some type of brain dysfunction. He has quoted examples of how a patient who had his temporal lobe removed started experiencing "God". Theres also an example of an epileptic who started believing he was God when his seizures became more severe suddenly. Patients with brain trauma also suddenly start experiencing "religion and God" all of a sudden.

All this is similar to NDE (near death experience) in critical patients. People believed 'religion and God' played a role in this. They were surprised when a scientist showed that same effects are observed when a patient is administered the anesthetic "Ketamine". NDE is a manifestation of a normal physiological process gone awry.

In the same vein, our understanding of ourselves is not complete. Vast troves of information need to be mined and compiled to understand how things work around and inside us. Just like there is a scientific explanation for NDE or sudden or chronic religious experiences, there will soon be scientific explanations for many of the "Miracles" seen. Then, lets talk God. There was a time when people believed Earth was the center of Universe. Now we know the truth.

 

[sameer-abc]

Beheadings, stonings, floggings, but these are committed by Humans!

Above is Sharia, Islam, thus part of Allah and his endorsement of such acts.

 

[sameer-abc]

hmmmm, personal attacks, not a nice move on your part...

You lied. By linking me to Zakir Naik´s post, which I did not start.

Thats the crux of matter.

 

[Valiant_Soul]

Oh and this, If anyone has read VS Ramachandran's book Phantoms in the Brain, he mentions the direct relation between brain dysfunction and extreme religious (out of body) experiences.

What is his take on consciousness?