Imam Bukhari
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This is not an explanation of why...........xxxxxx.........This is an antiquated, caveman-like thinking of allegiance, loyalty and nationhood.........xxxx...........If you want to see the full quote, you can trivially click the "original post" link that appears below this blue quote-window
If you look at the post to which you are responding (#173, linked below), you will see that someone has "thanked" me for clarifying that Pakistan is a really country based on the Indus-Valley Civilization. Just as Egypt is based on the Valley of the Nile and as North India is based on the Plains of the Ganges.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...towards-indias-minorities-12.html#post3221120
Have you checked to see who thanked my original comment above? It seems to be someone called "atanz". Look him/her up. Look at his "flag" (whatever that implies). And look up his other posts. In fact, in this very thread, at first he was vehemently opposed to my ideas, but as soon as I mentioned the "Pakistan is IVC" theory, he gave me a thumbs-up as thanks. Check it out yourself.
Clearly, there seem to be a lot of differences in opinion amongst our countrymen on this forum about what Pakistan is and what it is not.
So are the opinions in your post just your personal views as an Individual? Or are these views shared by most of our fellow Pakistanis? Is the person (atanz or something) who thanked my post in the minority? Is he a fringe deviant? Is he an "antiquated caveman"? Is he a "racist"? Do you want to "kick him out" as well? Do you think this is what you want to go around saying to fellow Pakistanis like him?
And have you thought about going all over this forum and challenging all our Pakistani members when they talk about this "Pakistanis are the descendants of the Indus Valley Civilization People" theory? Have you vigorously opposed and fought this idea? Have you insisted that there is no such thing as a separate IVC culture and that we are all civilizationally & culturally Indian? Have you firmly argued that Pakistan was created by the Quaid as a separate homeland for all of India's Muslims, so all of us must be "Indian-Muslims", otherwise the Quaid would be wrong. Still further, since we are living in Pakistan, have you conveyed to everyone that we must be Indian-Muslim Pakistanis, otherwise the Quaid would be wrong.
If you have trouble building consensus and face problems with terminologies & definitions, have you ever thought of first creating a cogent, coherant list of terms & their definitions. Perhaps something like this:
1) In the United States (since you brought the US into your post), there are Indian-Americans (a.k.a Bobbleheads & Towelheads) and American-Indians (a.k.a. Geronimo & Haiwatha). And these are obviously two very different people and there is no confusion between them.
2) Similarly, in South Asia, can't we say that there Indian-Muslims and Muslim-Indians? The term "Indian-Muslims" applies to all the Muslims of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, just as the Quaid said. However, the term "Muslim-Indians" applies only to the Muslims living in India. And then there need be no confusion between them.
If we can all agree on this terminology, then we can show that the Quaid was not wrong. He did not lie, he was not a fool, and so his picture can continue to stay on our Currency. We are Indian-Muslims, but we are not Muslim-Indians-- see what I mean?
How about it? Would that work? Think about it. This would allow the Muhajirs to say, "We are indeed Indian-Muslims as our Quaid-i-Azam said, but we are not Muslim-Indians as they are the people living in India, whereas we live in Pakistan". Would that not help solve this persistent terminology crisis?
Of course, as a final note of caution, I hasten to add that you will still have to deal with the reactions of some of our countrymen who strongly hold on to that IVC culture theory. Will they accept your theory of "we are all Indians, except that we are Muslims, so we are Indian-Muslims, but we are not Muslim-Indians"? How do they feel about your insistence that they are also Indian-Muslims like you and that there is "no separate unique IVC culture"? Do they resent it? Do they resent you when you insist on it? Do they increasingly want to deport you back into the arms of Altaf Bhai when he shuttles between London & Dehli?
Why don't you check with that "atanz" fellow on how he feels about all this?