Harisudan
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Wind Jammer, I appreciate the way you put up this and yeah, as you've claimed I have points justify them, yet I don't know how far it will make sense here, or whether I can disclose certain details or not, though I'm not active personnel anymore, but anyways it is better to rebute atleast some of your claims if I can..So let me try..@Harisudan, Sir, else where on this forum, you claimed to be a former IAF pilot, who served with No 28 Squadron, flying MiG-29 Fulcrums out of Jamnagar. I have no dispute with that, however your bold claims towards the PAF did get my attention thus a reply was necessary. I must point out that like most members on the forum, i just sit on the computer but i have some contacts in the PAF. So when i conveyed your remarks to my contact, initially he wasn't interested in the kids fight with claims and counter claims as his profession is above and beyond this chest thumping, however, upon some persuasion, he decided to make some brief comments, hence, firstly let me quote your post. (Edited)
Firstly, kindly enlighten us as what ability does the IAF possesses that you could actually see the Falcons taking off from within your own border ????... did you have satellites permanently rotating over PAF bases beaming live pictures to you or some hidden cameras perched around PAF airfields, even the AWACS pick up the adversary once it's airborne and then observes it's intentions before ordering a hot scramble or directing it's own fighters..!!! By disclosing that every time PAF Falcons took to the skies, your squadron would start patrolling in air.....you are indirectly admitting the threat PAF had installed in the minds of IAF. You were airborne regardless of the fact, whether PAF aircraft were on a training sortie, on exercise or merely on a ferry flight...the IAF felt compelled to start patrolling. !!
The bold claim of PAF not lasting more than a few days is very unprofessional like, for even the US didn't say that about Iraqi AF before the start of Dessert Storm. From it's past history and records, what does the IAF has to show for itself, the only time the IAF eventually managed to perform was in Kargil, that too after much help and input from certain countries and facing no aerial opposition and even then, resorting to high altitude bombings of designated areas. Albeit, PAF had no BVR capability during the Kargil conflict and IAF even awarded one of it's pilot for gaining a lock on a PAF aircraft from within it's own air space but you will seldom hear PAF boasting on what happened when a flight of Fulcrums jinxed and quickly exited the scene once they were made aware of Falcons presence by the Indian ground controller otherwise the IAF pilots were completely unaware of the Falcons trailing them.
Last time when some serious hostilities flared up is more commonly known as the 2002 stand off, which lasted for almost a year. I just happened to be visiting Pakistan in May June of that year, it was when an IAF Searcher-II UAV (of israeli origin) was shot down in the middle of night by the PAF. As a person on family holiday, i didn't think much of it but in due course it became obvious how serious was the situation during that summer. If you were indeed in the IAF then you would know and understand as to why PAF launched interceptors to shoot down the UAV, rather than taking it out with ground based systems. Many would be unaware of this but let me ask you, what transpired on the night of 28/29 June when the IAF was fully poised to launch attacks on Pakistan, if you don't believe me ask your superiors, that night, former PAF Air Chief and C in C, after issuing battle orders to the PAF, spent all night in the operation center to witness the battle.
What made the IAF stand down after all the preparations, did it smell fear, perhaps it was too shocked to find out that Falcons were already patrolling the secret corridors and IAF aircraft will be intercepted before they even cross the border or maybe it became aware of the order, which basically was do or die.
@Oscar @Horus @Hyperion @fatman17 @Icarus @Rashid Mahmood
As I've said, the point about PAF not matching IAF and that it won't Last for more than four days in an all out war, yes I stand by that claim, not just because of jingoism or something but that the equipment build up and planning has changed leaps and bounds ever since the Kargil mishap.. Back then We din have LR trackers, we din have dedicated Military signal from our satellites, we din have precision striking options, not just precision but quick reaction, we didn't had all these options back then..More so, we din had the net centric warfare method, we din involve the three forces concurrently or the communication gap was there among the triforces..
But today's IAF in concurrence is a real force and the Air assets are very well capable of taking down anything that is put in the air by PAF.. I'm not bringing in Cruise missiles or ground forces to question.. I'm just comparing apple to apple viz - a - viz IAF and PAF and the aircrafts and weapons..
The troop movements or column movements or movements of aircrafts or for that matter any high value strategic asset, 500 kms anywhere near our border was tracked accurately, even longer range movements were tracked but not with such high accuracy.. The assets in question here can't be discussed since I'm bound to disclose only things which are allowed to be disclosed..
Yes, as I told the sheer superiority in terms of quality and quantity is very much fit enough to neutralise air based threat in few days, where as the Air defence sqns are far more advanced and capable enough to take care of strike formations...
As for your query regarding the standing down of an attack, there may or may not be an attack planned against PAF and due to various reasons it might have got cancelled..??
Who knows, the reason could have also been not to wipe off a country once a part our own country from the faces of this planet..??As graduated from our academies we had been prepared to die for our country anytime, anywhere and your statement about getting afraid of your AF makes me laugh inside, through organs other than my mouth..
So pls keep it aside and come for a rational debate, I'll be more than sincere to answer with reasons and details I'm ok to disclose with..