Do Indian Members know about Vikas-1,2,3,5 and 7 of SFF ?

[Alphacharlie]

Gentlemen -

Lets not reveal our Son`s they do have lovedone`s too......

Tibetians have paid ample blood they do deserve Shangrila.

Jul-ae !!

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I just know this that the SFF are not the best SF in India and I dont give a damn about their secrecy...90% of Special Ops are done by Para SF.

 

[Jai_Hind]

SFFs are mainly Dalai Lama's security guards

 

[Abingdonboy]

I just know this that the SFF are not the best SF in India and I dont give a damn about their secrecy...90% of Special Ops are done by Para SF.

SFF is not a SF, they are a clandestine unit mostly targeted at China- they don't take part in CT ops or anything of that kind. Their utility in peacetime is incredibly limited.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

SFF is not a SF, they are a clandestine unit mostly targeted at China- they don't take part in CT ops or anything of that kind. Their utility in peacetime is incredibly limited.

I am talking about SG also.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I am talking about SG also.

SG is made up of SF operators and is dedicated to CT ops but I agree that they are used very infrequently.

 

[hkdas]

I just know this that the SFF are not the best SF in India and I dont give a damn about their secrecy...90% of Special Ops are done by Para SF.

bro, what are you saying?? SG is made up of SF commandos. the only difference with a military commandos and SG is, SG trained in deep covert operations, advance intel and is a sea air land unit(other than marcos and army SF divers ). they are the only unit india which conducts foreign internal defence(they also do an advisory role for many SF training of friendly nations-mainly nepal, afghanistan-limited training for afghan SF. apart form these countries SG plays an important role in myanmar and china too). bro, i will say the SG is the only true SF of india. army SF operations are limited in neighbouring countries. our army don't do an FID role in any country, they don't even visit any country for training their SF( only do joint exercises never go as an advisor to their SF), corporation b/w other sf are limited in case of army and navy SF except with US and israeli special forces.

 

[nair]

Your brother will be sooo proud of you!!!!!!

 

[sree45]

This is a General question. Are Indian members aware of the Vikas regiments of Special Frontier Force? My brother is a Maj. in the Punjab Regiment and he first told me about the force. No martial rules are applied on them. They smoke weed and do whatever they want and they are given Special Forces training so that when India goes for war against China, they are used as Cross-border action team in Tibet. These regiments don't have any Indians but all they consist of is Tibetians.If they die in war, their body, it is said will not be claimed by Indian Government. All views and info.(except of Wiki) are welcomed.
That's all he told me and said that the rest is classified (eg. the place where they are trained, stationed and the weapons they have, their salary and other things)

Your brother committed a crime by giving you that information. Instead of keeping your mouth shut you come to an online forum to discuss it? jeez.. Your brother could lose his job if the Indian agencies feel that he leaked a sensitive matter to the world.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

bro, what are you saying?? SG is made up of SF commandos. the only difference with a military commandos and SG is, SG trained in deep covert operations, advance intel and is a sea air land unit(other than marcos and army SF divers ). they are the only unit india which conducts foreign internal defence(they also do an advisory role for many SF training of friendly nations-mainly nepal, afghanistan-limited training for afghan SF. apart form these countries SG plays an important role in myanmar and china too). bro, i will say the SG is the only true SF of india. army SF operations are limited in neighbouring countries. our army don't do an FID role in any country, they don't even visit any country for training their SF( only do joint exercises never go as an advisor to their SF), corporation b/w other sf are limited in case of army and navy SF except with US and israeli special forces.

All these are not proven and to be taken with a lot of salt.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

This is a General question. Are Indian members aware of the Vikas regiments of Special Frontier Force? My brother is a Maj. in the Punjab Regiment and he first told me about the force. No martial rules are applied on them. They smoke weed and do whatever they want and they are given Special Forces training so that when India goes for war against China, they are used as Cross-border action team in Tibet. These regiments don't have any Indians but all they consist of is Tibetians.If they die in war, their body, it is said will not be claimed by Indian Government. All views and info.(except of Wiki) are welcomed.
That's all he told me and said that the rest is classified (eg. the place where they are trained, stationed and the weapons they have, their salary and other things)

You sure do sound like you are a member of this Vikas 420 regiment of the SFF.
Now what are you smoking right now?

 

[Screambowl]

it's an old info. nothing so secretive about this. this much info is known by defense analyst too. so calm down guys. he can't even know more and if he shares anything which is compromising he will be marked.

 

[HariPrasad]

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[silent poison]

Something i found about SFF :

"When the first airborne exercise was started in the summer of 1963, Major Uban recalled that even cooks and drivers implored for their opportunity to jump (Conboy & Marrison, 2002). In a similar vein, Indian Air Force officer and parachute instructor of the unit M. K. Anand recounted that "there was even a pregnant lady, the wife of the Tibetan ranking member, serving as rigger, who kept her pregnancy a secret to keep jumping" (as cited in Kohli & Conboy, 2002, p.16)"

Based in Chakrata, Uttarakhand, SFF is also known as the Establishment 22.The force was put under the direct supervision of the Intelligence Bureau, and later, theResearch and Analysis Wing, India's external intelligence agency.
Current roles
With warming of Indo-Chinese relations, SFF has moved out of covert operationsto various other fields like counter-terrorism. The major functions of SFF in the present day scenario are as follows:
Counter-terrorism
One Squadron is responsible for counter-terrorism duties, with a team in a constant state of alert. The four squadrons rotate through this role on a six-monthly basis. Special Group teams regularly conduct CT operations in troubled Kashmiragainst militants on specific intelligence inputs.
Special Group
The Director General (DG) Security, Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) in 1982 dispatched 500 SFF operatives along with over 500 Indian Army special forces to Sarasawa for Counter Terrorist training. It is also thought that the selected troopers thereafter were sent toIsrael for highly specialized training. These men formed the nucleus of an ultra-elite and highly classified new detachment, known as the Special Group. It is a volunteer force and persons are inducted only after a very tough probation and selection process.Alone among the 'Vikas regiments' or SFF battalions, it is not made up of tibetans but exclusively recruits Indians volunteering from Indian Army units.
The SFF Special Group's headquarters is supported by an Intelligence and Planning wing, a Training wing and a specialist Signals Troop which is solely responsible for support operations. Having four squadrons each made up of around 100 troopers, which are further divided into four troops. Each troop has a specialized role. The Special Group has a wide range of responsibilities, each requiring specific training and disciplines.
Special Group is also the parent unit of elite National Security Guards(NSG). The NSG was raised after SG participated in Operation Bluestar. It was thought that a paramilitary force not under the Ministry of Defence should be used for counter terrorism operations internally. The NSG is thus led by an IPS officer and comes under the Ministry of Home Affairs, even thought the commandos who lead operations are themselves from the army. After the formation of NSG Special Group is no longer involved in hostage rescue and counter terrorism.
Intelligence Gathering
Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols or Pathfinders must be able to remain hidden under the nose of the enemy for days or weeks on an end. The outfit was trained to do this against the Chinese but actually used the technique to great success in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and the fields of the northern state of Punjab.
Combat Air Control
With the emphasis on air power in modern warfare there comes a need for skilled combat air controllers, men on the ground calling in air strikes. There is usually a trooper specially trained to guide in attack aircraft for a strike, verbally or using Laser Designators. SFF Special Group troopers effectively demonstrated this capability during India'sKargil conflict with Pakistan in the summer of 1999.
Close Protection
The Special Group, along with the Special Protection Group (SPG) were the pioneers at close protection (CP) duties in India, having developed many of the protocols themselves, unique to theIndian subcontinent. Nowadays much of the VIP protection is the sole responsibility of the National Security Guards (NSG) and other specialized provincial units.
Training Foreign Military
Over the years, the Special Group has shared their expertise with a few friendly nations like Maldives and Nepal, training their own special forces. The government also gets political benefits from such arrangements

 

[Juggernautjatt]

Some infromation about SFF collected from internet :
It is also known as 'Establishment 22' due to its first Inspector General, Major General (Retd.) Sujan Singh Uban of Indian Army, who used to be commander of 22 Mountain Regiment during World War II, a Military Cross holder and a legendary figure in the British India Army. Singh commanded the 22nd Mountain Regiment during World War II in Europe and a Long Range Desert Squadron (LRDS) in North Africa. It’s so classified a set-up that even the army may not know what it’s up to — it reports directly to the prime minister via the directorate general of security in the cabinet secretariat; so the gallantry of its soldiers cannot be publicly recognised. The regiment has participated with exemplary skill in Operation Eagle (securing Chittagong hills during the Bangladesh War of 1971, where 46 soldiers of the regiment died), Operation Bluestar (clearing Amritsar’s Golden Temple in 1984), Operation Meghdoot (securing the Siachen glacier in 1984) and Operation Vijay (war with Pakistan at Kargil in 1999).

The total number of soldiers, though, has changed — swelling to about 20,000 around 1970 and then whittling down to below 10,000. It’s difficult to know the exact count at present because of the tight lid of secrecy. Battalions are still composed of six companies, each company consisting of 123 men. There is also a force of around 700 Gorkhas in the SFF at any given time.

The lid was, however, blown in 1978. Indian newspapers reported that an electronic intelligence machine passed on by the CIA and mounted atop Nanda Devi in 1965 to track Chinese nuclear tests had gone missing.
The bigger worry was over the plutonium generator that powered the machine. As Prime Minister Morarji Desai assured a worried Parliament on nuclear safety, the mention of SFF, that had mostly manned the operation, slipped out.