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Diversion of US aid - Indian propaganda exposed
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Can you site one example by timesofindia where they have wrongly quoted an interview. I repeat interview, I know they might have misquoted incorrectly in editorial or something. I have rarely seen people quoting interviews incorrectly, the reason is simple. It can be easily disputed.
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NEW DELHI: Indian Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor on Monday said he was not surprised by former Pakistani President Pervez Musharrafs admission that the military aid the US gave to Pakistan was used to strengthen defences against India rather than fighting the war on terror on Pakistans borders with Afghanistan.
Speaking to reporters outside his South Block office, Tharoor said: We know Pakistan has been misusing US aid for years. I am not surprised by former President Musharraf's statement. This confirms Indias stand on the misuse of aid. The United States should monitor aid given to Pakistan more carefully, reported PTI.
Tharoors response came after Musharraf admitted that he had violated the rules governing the use of military aid, but justified his action, saying he had acted in the best interest of Pakistan.
He did not want to compromise on Pakistans interests, he said.Online
DAWN.COM | World | US should monitor aid to Pakistan: India
Speaking to reporters outside his South Block office, Tharoor said: We know Pakistan has been misusing US aid for years. I am not surprised by former President Musharraf's statement. This confirms Indias stand on the misuse of aid. The United States should monitor aid given to Pakistan more carefully, reported PTI.
Tharoors response came after Musharraf admitted that he had violated the rules governing the use of military aid, but justified his action, saying he had acted in the best interest of Pakistan.
He did not want to compromise on Pakistans interests, he said.Online
DAWN.COM | World | US should monitor aid to Pakistan: India
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When Indians cry world comes to console the Indians against those who made them cry.... Better then some others who have to weep in isolation....
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US, not India, should respond to Musharraf's revelations, says Shankar
Indian Ambassador to the United States Meera Shankar has said it is not India but the US that has to respond to the recent revelations by former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf [ Images ] that American military aid provided to Pakistan for its war against terror during his tenure, had been diverted to strengthen its defenses against India.
In a question and answer session that followed her address to the Atlantic Council in Washington on 'India and the United States: The Next Phase,' Shankar however called for greater accountability over the security assistance provided by the US to Pakistan.
Musharraf in admitting that he had violated the rules governing the US of such American military largesse, had justified his action saying he did so "in the best interest of Pakistan," and "did not care," if Washington was angered by his disclosures.
Shankar asked what the government of India planned to do in response to Musharraf's purported actions in diverting this US military assistance, said, "I don't know…we are not the ones who gave the aid to Pakistan. It's more for the government of the United States to see how they need to respond to this."
"But as far as India is concerned," she said, "we support the economic and developmental assistance, which has been given to Pakistan because we share the objective of a stable and modern Pakistan."
However, Shankar added, "We do feel that in the security field, the assistance should be more tightly focused on building counter-insurgency capability rather that conventional defense equipment which can be diverted for other purposes. And, of course, there may be need for greater accountability in terms of how this defense assistance is being used."
State Department spokesman Ian Kelly on Monday when asked about Musharraf's revelations said, "First of all, Musharraf is a private citizen. He provided very few details, so we would refer you to him to get these details."
But, he said, "I would just say as a general principle, we take very seriously any allegation of using US-origin military assistance for purposes other than we had already agreed to and that we had intended them for."
When pressed if there is any recourse and if the US was concerned over the diplomatic implications of what Musharraf had said, Kelly reiterated, "It was a very broad statement with no specifics that I know of. And, we would just need to have more details about that."
But when asked if the Obama [ Images ] administration intended to conduct an investigation, the spokesman said, "I am not sure," but repeated, "As I say, we take these things seriously."
Kelly said he was also unaware of any specific instances of such violations by Pakistan. "Not that I am aware of, no," he said.
Meanwhile, Shankar asked if India was concerned over calls in some quarters for the US to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan and how this could affect stability in the region, said, "We believe that bringing peace, stability and moderation to this region will require sustained engagement and will not be a short-term enterprise."
"We do think that the imperative to stay the course is strong and we would hope that this is something which the US will find its way to do," she said.
Shankar said where India's involvement in Afghanistan is concerned, "We do not have any security role in Afghanistan nor do we seek one because we don't want to complicate the situation in reference to regional sensitivities."
But she said, "We do have a fairly significant development role and have committed over $1.2 billion worth of developmental assistance to Afghanistan."
Asked if India perceived any suspicion by China over New Delhi's [ Images ] growing strategic partnership with the US and if the relationship with the US is any way is a hedge against a China which in the future may not go in the direction which both the US and India hoped it would, Shankar said, "I don't think the Indian-US relationship is directed against any country."
She had earlier emphasized this particular point in her prepared remarks too.
But the envoy acknowledged that "there is a degree of fluidity in the international situation at present where all countries seek avenues of productive cooperation with other major powers as well as emerging powers, and at the same time seek to ensure better balances."
"So, I would say that a bit of both operate," she added.
Shankar dismissed any hope that may be entertained in some quarters that the burgeoning US-India strategic partnership could be a catalyst for India-Pakistan rapprochement.
She asserted that India seeks to deal with Pakistan "on a bilateral basis and we are comfortable with that."
Shankar asked if the issue of the Kashmir [ Images ] imbroglio would figure on the agenda of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [ Images ] when he meets President Obama on November 24 in the White House, rubbished any such expectation.
"Kashmir is something we are dealing with domestically within India," she said.
"The situation in Kashmir has been better than it has been for many years," she said and referred to the elections held there, which preceded the national elections and said that despite calls for a boycott, over 60 percent had turned out to vote.
Shankar acknowledged, "Yes, we see stepped up efforts at infiltration across the Line of Control [ Images ] unfortunately this year and that is a cause for concern."
"As far as the India and Pakistan dialogue is concerned, our government has made clear that we would need to see more definitive steps from Pakistan to address our concerns on terrorism before we can really move toward a fruitful dialogue," she said.
Musharraf admits US aid diverted
ormer president Pervez Musharraf says the US military aid given to Pakistan during his tenure was used to strengthen defences against India.
The money was used to arm the troops who moved with their equipment from the western border to the east based on the perceived threats, he said.
The US gave $10bn dollars to Pakistan to fight the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
In 2007, Pakistan rejected a report which said it had used $5bn on weapons systems designed to fight India.
Pakistan's military had described the New York Times report as "nonsense".
'Did right'
"Wherever there is a threat to Pakistan, we will use it [equipment provided by the US] there. If the threat comes from al-Qaeda or Taliban, it will be used there. If the threat comes from India, we will most surely use it there," Mr Musharraf told Pakistan's Express News television channel.
"There is nothing like this equipment has come from the US and must only be used against Taliban, or that equipment has come from China and must be used against this or that," he added.
Mr Musharraf confirmed that the weapons were indeed used against India.
"We did right. What we did, we did right. We have to ensure Pakistan's security. From whichever side the threat comes, we will use the entire force there."
Mr Musharraf said he did not care if this diversion of aid angered the US.
"Whoever wishes to be angry, let them be angry, why should we bother? We have to maintain our security, and the Americans should know, and the whole world should know that we won't compromise our security, and will use the equipment everywhere."
Meanwhile, India said Mr Musharraf's statement merely confirmed "what we have suspected over a long time and what we have suggested all along".
"We do not feel that such assistance should be turned around and used against us," news agency Reuters quoted India's junior external affairs minister Shashi Tharoor as saying.
"We pose no threat to Pakistan and we find that this kind of diversion is neither in the interest of the sub continent nor of those who are giving this assistance."
This is the first time Pakistan has admitted to diverting the US aid to strengthen its defences against India.
In the past, Pakistan's army has dismissed claims that aid from the US had been misappropriated.
From Pakistani Media:
Arms given with predetermined aim and object: U.S.
Indian Ambassador to the United States Meera Shankar has said it is not India but the US that has to respond to the recent revelations by former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf [ Images ] that American military aid provided to Pakistan for its war against terror during his tenure, had been diverted to strengthen its defenses against India.
In a question and answer session that followed her address to the Atlantic Council in Washington on 'India and the United States: The Next Phase,' Shankar however called for greater accountability over the security assistance provided by the US to Pakistan.
Musharraf in admitting that he had violated the rules governing the US of such American military largesse, had justified his action saying he did so "in the best interest of Pakistan," and "did not care," if Washington was angered by his disclosures.
Shankar asked what the government of India planned to do in response to Musharraf's purported actions in diverting this US military assistance, said, "I don't know…we are not the ones who gave the aid to Pakistan. It's more for the government of the United States to see how they need to respond to this."
"But as far as India is concerned," she said, "we support the economic and developmental assistance, which has been given to Pakistan because we share the objective of a stable and modern Pakistan."
However, Shankar added, "We do feel that in the security field, the assistance should be more tightly focused on building counter-insurgency capability rather that conventional defense equipment which can be diverted for other purposes. And, of course, there may be need for greater accountability in terms of how this defense assistance is being used."
State Department spokesman Ian Kelly on Monday when asked about Musharraf's revelations said, "First of all, Musharraf is a private citizen. He provided very few details, so we would refer you to him to get these details."
But, he said, "I would just say as a general principle, we take very seriously any allegation of using US-origin military assistance for purposes other than we had already agreed to and that we had intended them for."
When pressed if there is any recourse and if the US was concerned over the diplomatic implications of what Musharraf had said, Kelly reiterated, "It was a very broad statement with no specifics that I know of. And, we would just need to have more details about that."
But when asked if the Obama [ Images ] administration intended to conduct an investigation, the spokesman said, "I am not sure," but repeated, "As I say, we take these things seriously."
Kelly said he was also unaware of any specific instances of such violations by Pakistan. "Not that I am aware of, no," he said.
Meanwhile, Shankar asked if India was concerned over calls in some quarters for the US to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan and how this could affect stability in the region, said, "We believe that bringing peace, stability and moderation to this region will require sustained engagement and will not be a short-term enterprise."
"We do think that the imperative to stay the course is strong and we would hope that this is something which the US will find its way to do," she said.
Shankar said where India's involvement in Afghanistan is concerned, "We do not have any security role in Afghanistan nor do we seek one because we don't want to complicate the situation in reference to regional sensitivities."
But she said, "We do have a fairly significant development role and have committed over $1.2 billion worth of developmental assistance to Afghanistan."
Asked if India perceived any suspicion by China over New Delhi's [ Images ] growing strategic partnership with the US and if the relationship with the US is any way is a hedge against a China which in the future may not go in the direction which both the US and India hoped it would, Shankar said, "I don't think the Indian-US relationship is directed against any country."
She had earlier emphasized this particular point in her prepared remarks too.
But the envoy acknowledged that "there is a degree of fluidity in the international situation at present where all countries seek avenues of productive cooperation with other major powers as well as emerging powers, and at the same time seek to ensure better balances."
"So, I would say that a bit of both operate," she added.
Shankar dismissed any hope that may be entertained in some quarters that the burgeoning US-India strategic partnership could be a catalyst for India-Pakistan rapprochement.
She asserted that India seeks to deal with Pakistan "on a bilateral basis and we are comfortable with that."
Shankar asked if the issue of the Kashmir [ Images ] imbroglio would figure on the agenda of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [ Images ] when he meets President Obama on November 24 in the White House, rubbished any such expectation.
"Kashmir is something we are dealing with domestically within India," she said.
"The situation in Kashmir has been better than it has been for many years," she said and referred to the elections held there, which preceded the national elections and said that despite calls for a boycott, over 60 percent had turned out to vote.
Shankar acknowledged, "Yes, we see stepped up efforts at infiltration across the Line of Control [ Images ] unfortunately this year and that is a cause for concern."
"As far as the India and Pakistan dialogue is concerned, our government has made clear that we would need to see more definitive steps from Pakistan to address our concerns on terrorism before we can really move toward a fruitful dialogue," she said.
From International Media:
Musharraf admits US aid diverted
ormer president Pervez Musharraf says the US military aid given to Pakistan during his tenure was used to strengthen defences against India.
The money was used to arm the troops who moved with their equipment from the western border to the east based on the perceived threats, he said.
The US gave $10bn dollars to Pakistan to fight the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
In 2007, Pakistan rejected a report which said it had used $5bn on weapons systems designed to fight India.
Pakistan's military had described the New York Times report as "nonsense".
'Did right'
"Wherever there is a threat to Pakistan, we will use it [equipment provided by the US] there. If the threat comes from al-Qaeda or Taliban, it will be used there. If the threat comes from India, we will most surely use it there," Mr Musharraf told Pakistan's Express News television channel.
"There is nothing like this equipment has come from the US and must only be used against Taliban, or that equipment has come from China and must be used against this or that," he added.
Mr Musharraf confirmed that the weapons were indeed used against India.
"We did right. What we did, we did right. We have to ensure Pakistan's security. From whichever side the threat comes, we will use the entire force there."
Mr Musharraf said he did not care if this diversion of aid angered the US.
"Whoever wishes to be angry, let them be angry, why should we bother? We have to maintain our security, and the Americans should know, and the whole world should know that we won't compromise our security, and will use the equipment everywhere."
Meanwhile, India said Mr Musharraf's statement merely confirmed "what we have suspected over a long time and what we have suggested all along".
"We do not feel that such assistance should be turned around and used against us," news agency Reuters quoted India's junior external affairs minister Shashi Tharoor as saying.
"We pose no threat to Pakistan and we find that this kind of diversion is neither in the interest of the sub continent nor of those who are giving this assistance."
This is the first time Pakistan has admitted to diverting the US aid to strengthen its defences against India.
In the past, Pakistan's army has dismissed claims that aid from the US had been misappropriated.
From Pakistani Media:
Arms given with predetermined aim and object: U.S.
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Typically ingenuous, the jingoistic Indian media has twisted his words.
To put the claims in context, please watch the video.
Topic at hand starts around 3'30
To put the claims in context, please watch the video.
Topic at hand starts around 3'30
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indians are only good at crying, running to the world to seek sympathy. Pathetic. Who cares though. Let them.
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US taking Musharraf's revelations on aid diversion seriously
US taking Musharraf's revelations on aid diversion seriously - US - World - NEWS - The Times of India
There was another thread where a member of PDF requested a source apart from Indian media be presented which verifies Musharraf's revelations. Here it is -
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Musharraf admits US aid diverted
And before anyone challenges TOI's version, a summary by Foreign Policy on Ian Kelly's briefing -
The briefing skipper: Uighurs, Iran, Venezuela, Musharraf | The Cable
Ian Kelly -
Hmm... India's reaction? "I told you so!"
But... seriously.. what is wrong with Musharraf? Is he on RAW payroll?
US taking Musharraf's revelations on aid diversion seriously - US - World - NEWS - The Times of India
There was another thread where a member of PDF requested a source apart from Indian media be presented which verifies Musharraf's revelations. Here it is -
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Musharraf admits US aid diverted
And before anyone challenges TOI's version, a summary by Foreign Policy on Ian Kelly's briefing -
The briefing skipper: Uighurs, Iran, Venezuela, Musharraf | The Cable
Ian Kelly -
Hmm... India's reaction? "I told you so!"
But... seriously.. what is wrong with Musharraf? Is he on RAW payroll?
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When Indians cry world comes to console the Indians against those who made them cry.... Better then some others who have to weep in isolation....
India tried to leverage the Mumbai massacre, even calling it 26/11 to make it sound like 9/11, but the world didn't buy it.
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Initially, the world did buy "India's 9/11" -
Best ways to react to India's '9/11' | csmonitor.com
Eric Margolis: India's '9/11' Holds Grim Message for the U.S.
Grief, anger after 'India's 9/11' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
'India's 9/11' brings tourism concerns, more warnings - USATODAY.com
But then, there were also articles such as these written by Indians which found differences between 9/11 and 26/11 -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/opinion/03ghosh.html
Your point again?
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The poster's assertion that Indian "concern" over Musharraf's (twisted out of context) statements is shared by the international community.
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