Disproving some genocide claims

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

PS: It seems the source for that quote, and this one from Global security are Asok Rainia's book:

The involvement of RAW in East Pakistan is said to date from the
1960s, when RAW promoted dissatisfaction against Pakistan in East
Pakistan, including funding Mujibur Rahmanh’s general election in 1970
and providing training and arming the Mukti Bahini.
Indian intelligence agencies, were involved in East Pakistan now,
Bangladesh, beginning, in the early 1960’s.

Its operatives were in touch with Sheikh Mujib for quite some time.
Sheikh Mujib went to Agartala in 1965.The famous Agartala case was
unearthed in 1967.In fact, the main purpose of raising R.A.W. in 1968
was to organize covert operations in Bangladesh.

As early as 1968, R.A.W. was given a green light to begin mobilizing
all its resources for the impending surgical intervention in erstwhile
East Pakistan.When in July 1971 General Manekshaw told Prime Minister
Indira Gandhi that the army would not be ready until December to
intervene in Bangladesh, she quickly turned to R.A.W. for help.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And a more detailed excerpt from Rainia's book, and a pretty sanitized and pro-Indian one at that:

The Bangla Desh Operation possibly began a year before the actual operation was underway. Even when the world did get a whiff of it in the shape of the Mukti Bahani, many remained unaware of RAW’s involvement. By then Phase I of the operation was already completed. Phase II saw the Indian Armed Forces poised for the liberation of Bangla Desh. RAW, along with the Mukti Bahani, when they developed into a formidable force, provided information to the Indian forces.

Information collected by an IB foreign desk operative in London from a Pakistani diplomat indicated that the West Pakistanis were contemplating action against Bengali Muslims in Pakistan. By 1968 Indian operatives had already been in contact with the ‘‘pro-Mujib’’ faction. A meeting convened in Agartala during 1962-63, between the IB foreign desk operatives and the Mujib faction indicated to ‘‘Colonel’’ Menon (which in fact was Sankaran Nair’s non de guerre that the ‘group’ was eager to escalate their movement. ‘‘Colonel Menon’’ had warned them that in his opinion it was far too early for them to take any positive action. As Colonel Menon right put it….‘‘they jumped the gun.’’ But this was a total disaster.

A few months later, on January 6, 1968, the Pakistan government announced that 28 persons would be prosecuted for conspiring to bring about the secession of East Pakistan, with India’s help. Mujib was implicated 12 years later as an accused. By now the IB foreign desk (PAK) had moved to the new set-up at RAW. RAW cells were set up all along the border.

RAW sources in Karachi had indicated a movement of troops from Karachi harbour for Dacca. On March 3, a message sent out from Dacca to Calcutta by a RAW operative indicated that a major crackdown was imminent. As the report found its way to New Delhi, an urgent message was flashed — ‘‘…advise Menon…’ to bring in … our friends.’ Towards the end of April the genocide continued and drove 9.8 million into exile to India. The March 1969 RAW report had already spelt out the possibility of Pakistan resorting to a war with India… By the end of May, another RAW assessment sent to the Prime Minister spelt out the need of a ‘‘surgical intervention’’. RAW received the green signal and began mobilising its resources. The Mukti Fauj was known as the Mukti Bahani two months after its formation on the night of March 25, 1971.

General SHFJ Manekshaw, Chief of Army Staff, realised that the major question of India’s defence policy could not be dealt with in purely military terms. As Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee, he pressed for political involvement of the Government. For the first time a political representative in the person of DP Dhar, designated as Chairman of the Planning Committee of the Ministry of External Affairs, was inducted into the war council. On the civil side, a secretariat committee was set up to take executive decisions, dealing with preparations for war and their execution. The committee consisted of the Secretaries of Defence, Home, Finance and Foreign Affairs, with Kao as Member Secretary.

With the go-ahead signal, RAW’s underground network in East Pakistan came alive. Every six weeks 2,000 guerrillas were being trained by RAW, capable of taking on the enemy in hit and run encounters.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

The Asoka Raina book is a wonderful source of information and I relied on it for my book The India Doctrine. There is a lot more out there but much is written in Bangla.

 

[donrahul]

With the go-ahead signal, RAW’s underground network in East Pakistan came alive. Every six weeks 2,000 guerrillas were being trained by RAW, capable of taking on the enemy in hit and run encounters.

So can I say that there was dissent? and there was a reason for dissent? That mobilized so much of the local population to revolt against the central Government?

 

[salman nedian]

With the go-ahead signal, RAW’s underground network in East Pakistan came alive. Every six weeks 2,000 guerrillas were being trained by RAW, capable of taking on the enemy in hit and run encounters.

So can I say that there was dissent? and there was a reason for dissent? That mobilized so much of the local population to revolt against the central Government?

Is this a justification for interfering in a country’s matter and establishing a network in an area which is not disputed?????????????

 

[donrahul]

Is this a justification for interfering in a country’s matter and establishing a network in an area which is not disputed?????????????

Yes.. If the establishment is going to reduce the immediate danger with a country which had already tried to wage war twice in 1965 and 1948.. Destabilizing and splitting would have been necessary. I am giving a strategic perspective here. You always look for weak points of the enemy and not the disputed areas to weaken him..

 

[salman nedian]

Yes.. If the establishment is going to reduce the immediate danger with a country which had already tried to wage war twice in 1965 and 1948.. Destabilizing and splitting would have been necessary. I am giving a strategic perspective here. You always look for weak points of the enemy and not the disputed areas to weaken him..

Good! Now you have a point.

So Indians should not scream if we gain advantage of freedom movements all over India and that’s fair enough, let’s make this region the worst place to live and its all is in accordance with the Indian policy.

 

[donrahul]

Good! Now you have a point.

So Indians should not scream if we gain advantage of freedom movements all over India and that’s fair enough, let’s make this region the worst place to live and its all is in accordance with the Indian policy.

Lets not make it look like, you learnt all these subterfuge and cloak-and-dagger stuff only after 1971.. Its not like we are US and Canada. We are not buddies.. We both are enemies to each other.(Nothing personal.. from a strategic perspective..) and ISI has not been quiet either..

Infact many people would rate ISI as more successful than RAW.. and BTW we cant discuss morality here.. Both u and me.. Coz we both are not

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Lets not make it look like, you learnt all these subterfuge and cloak-and-dagger stuff only after 1971.. Its not like we are US and Canada. We are not buddies.. We both are enemies to each other.(Nothing personal.. from a strategic perspective..) and ISI has not been quiet either..

Infact many people would rate ISI as more successful than RAW.. and BTW we cant discuss morality here.. Both u and me.. Coz we both are not

Do remind your fellow Indians of that whenever they start ranting about the ISI after a bombing in India.

I am looking forward to your posts based on 'realism' educating them.

 

[donrahul]

Do remind your fellow Indians of that whenever they start ranting about the ISI after a bombing in India.

I am looking forward to your posts based on 'realism' educating them.

It aint that easy buddy.. We all need someone to blame. When things go wrong, people look around them, They blame the boss, the servant, the wife, the kids, the cat, the dog, or the Doctor, The government etc... Everyone except them.. Human tendency..

When you are looking at a bigger perspective like a country,you will see that they dont want to blame the police for their inefficient policing or blame The Government employees who give out ration card, voter id card for a bribe of Rs.1000 or blame the ministers who cant control the corruption in their departments or the Head of the state for his ball-less acts, which are more centered around their party remaining in power than take a unpopular but effective scheme to uplift the nation..

On the other hand, dont we see every Bombing in Pakistan or Afghanistan results in People blaming RAW, MOssad and CIA with our local PDF Barrister providing his insightful thinkings of what he thinks about RAW?

PS: Sorry for the delayed response.. Was @ home for Diwali

 

[vish]

Do remind your fellow Indians of that whenever they start ranting about the ISI after a bombing in India.

Sorry to intrude... but how are urban and suicide bombings or Kashmir-revenge attacks in urban areas similar to 1971?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sorry to intrude... but how are urban and suicide bombings or Kashmir-revenge attacks in urban areas similar to 1971?

You misunderstood the context of exchange with Donrahul. His response to me above should clarify what we were talking about.

By the way, inciting violence, massacres and atrocities, as India did in EP, is just as bad as what you describe.

Innocents do not have to be killed by a suicide bomb alone for the acts to be considered 'terrorism'. What India did in 1971 was state sponsored terrorism by today's yardstick.

 

[third eye]

You misunderstood the context of exchange with Donrahul. His response to me above should clarify what we were talking about.

By the way, inciting violence, massacres and atrocities, as India did in EP, is just as bad as what you describe.

Innocents do not have to be killed by a suicide bomb alone for the acts to be considered 'terrorism'. What India did in 1971 was state sponsored terrorism by today's yardstick.

What would you call Op Grandslam ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What would you call Op Grandslam ?

An attempt to settle a territorial dispute, whose means of diplomatic resolution India unilaterally walked away from (by rejecting the UNSC resolutions it agreed to, as well as violating the Instrument of Accession condition of plebiscite) by getting the local population, in disputed territory, to rise up against the 'occupiers'.

 

[third eye]

An attempt to settle a territorial dispute, whose means of diplomatic resolution India unilaterally walked away from (by rejecting the UNSC resolutions it agreed to, as well as violating the Instrument of Accession condition of plebiscite) by getting the local population, in disputed territory, to rise up against the 'occupiers'.

How convenient !!

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