Götterdämmerung;2799870 said:
You are comparing apples with fishes. The book of Marquis de Sade is a biography of a very sick mind and seen as such. It's not about teaching how you should treat people. If a sadist and masochist find each other and both of them commit a consensual act without threatening the life of the other, it's none of us to judge them. But in the case of a book teaching you how to abuse your wife, that's an instigation to commit a crime, at least in my country. I don't judge what people do in their respective country where our laws don't apply, but if they live in my country, then I'm definitely against this kind of treatment of women and our law should persecute anyone who breaks our law.
Bingo...Exactly my point..Many Muslim women consensually give their husbands upper hand and love to live like that..
and exactly as you say..you are nobody to judge them..Its their personal life,and they are entitled to chose how they live.
The guide is for these type of couples who choose to live under male hierarchy and woman doesn't mind being disciplined by her husband,and in those conditions the guideline puts a limit to how far the Husband can go,and even a 5 year old kid can bear that much,it doesn't come anywhere near torture(its an analogy,don't start me on child abuse and children rights)...If a Couple chose otherwise and agree between themselves that Man shouldn't touch her woman as a disciplinary action then the guide in no way forces them to do so.....Remember its a Guide not an Order?
The trouble is that you and most of the other critics have got no knowledge about Islam or very little of it and yet you become the Judge and Jury and pass verdicts.
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The following is offtopic but i am tempted to write this.....Adult forum,isn't this?
Now about sadism..You say they are sick and sick minds and in a way i agree...I don't know if you have ever met a Muslim? But i have met and talked to sadists..I am not defending sadism,as its not something my faith allows...But i had a very detailed conversation with an American Lady who was into sadism..
Her reason for sadism was as follows..
She said that its a way of showing your man that you trust him with your life,and that's why she would consensually let her man tie her up and making her defenseless,and treat her as he wished...To her it was her way of expressing her love for her man and her trust towards her man,that even if she was defenseless in front of him,he will know his limits and wont harm her to the level of damaging her,and treat her with dignity after the act,and wont ridicule her on this.
They still disgust me..but i am indifferant towards them..
Now if Islam teaches us of ways of spicing up our sexual lives / Marital lives..The whole world got problem with that..Funny isn't it?