Diplomatic failure led to India-China war

[Secur]

FYI the Chinese are claiming entire AP not just Tawang alone.

As for Pakistan 750 sq miles in return for 2050 sq miles....seems like a good bargain

The same situation here. Tibet as an independent country accepted the Mac Mohan line , now PRC don't. The Afghan Govt then agreed to Durand line..now Taliban & present Afghan Govt don't.

Well since you are dead set on discussing an irrelevant topic ... The information you might have missed is that Pakistan merely withdrew its claim on the territories meaning that 2050 sq.miles area wasn't under the jurisdiction of the State of Pakistan the day the agreement was signed ...

Nah , even Tibet didn't agree to the drawn line , it was later forced on them by the British ... Now why would Beijing recognize it ?

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

Well since you are dead set on discussing an irrelevant topic ... The information you might have missed is that Pakistan merely withdrew its claim on the territories meaning they weren't under the jurisdiction of the State of Pakistan the day the agreement was signed ...

Nah , even Tibet didn't agree to the drawn line , it was later forced on them by the British ... Now why would Beijing recognize it ?

Your above agreement if applied to J&K, would be converting LOC into international border. And you have just solved a half century old dispute and saved 2 billion population from nuclear holocaust. (In between this is India's stand also.)

@topic tibet did recognise and agreed to agreement only Beijing did not.

 

[DARIUS]

I agree with the document to some extent!!Yes it is true that the 1962 war was a result of some actions on the part of India that might have been perceived by the than CCP as provocative . . . but this so called provocation was not something which was intentional or pre planned.Even Indian soldiers who fought during the 62 war gave accounts that one reason that the Chinese used to justify the attacks was the fact that the Indians were operating at that time well beyond Indian territory.But even so the intention on the part of the Chinese was actually to take revenge for granting Asylum to the Dalai Lama and it has always been the same issue between India and China.I could guarantee that today if India says that we are ready to hand over the Dalai Lama to China all the oustanding issues would be solved. . . . .Leave aside AP,the Chinese would not even be interested in Tawang!!

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

In this case , that would be " us " ... Not the Crown ! ... Which lines to be exact ?

Lines drawn by British imperialist like durand line, Mcmohan line. (Chinese say they dont recognise any lines drawn by British imperialits)

I agree with the document to some extent!!Yes it is true that the 1962 war was a result of some actions on the part of India that might have been perceived by the than CCP as provocative . . . but this so called provocation was not something which was intentional or pre planned.Even Indian soldiers who fought during the 62 war gave accounts that one reason that the Chinese used to justify the attacks was the fact that the Indians were operating at that time well beyond Indian territory.But even so the intention on the part of the Chinese was actually to take revenge for granting Asylum to the Dalai Lama and it has always been the same issue between India and China.I could guarantee that today if India says that we are ready to hand over the Dalai Lama to China all the oustanding issues would be solved. . . . .Leave aside AP,the Chinese would not even be interested in Tawang!!

Thats not the case. India just followed the Macmohan line. India never said exagerrated things like tibet is part of India.

 

[harpoon]

Your above agreement if applied to J&K, would be converting LOC into international border. And you have just solved a half century old dispute and saved 2 billion population from nuclear holocaust. (In between this is India's stand also.)

@topic tibet did recognise and agreed to agreement only Beijing did not.

LOL..be careful of what you wish for.

 

[Secur]

According my knowlegde the agreement known as Simla accord was signed and agreed by British and then independent Tibet. But China refused to agree.

Well , Britain ( partial ) and Russian both accepted China's sovereignty over Tibet in 1904 ... Hence , Dalai Lama or his representatives were in no position to discuss the matter or define boundaries without the approval of Beijing ... The Tibetans had even initially rejected the drawn borders ...

China rejected the Accord and their plenipotentiary, Ivan Chen, withdrew on 3 July 1914. The British and Tibetan plenipotentiaries then attached a note denying China any privileges under the Accord and sealed it as a bilateral agreement the same day.[3][4]In the late 1950s, the McMahon Line became a source of tension between China and India.[24] China contends that Tibet was never an independent state and so it could not sign a treaty on behalf of China to delineate an international frontier.[25]

Your above agreement if applied to J&K, would be converting LOC into international border. And you have just solved a half century old dispute and saved 2 billion population from nuclear holocaust. (In between this is India's stand also.)

My above statement refers to the alignment and proper demarcation of Pak-China border and not to a major territorial dispute ... Twist it not ! Not really , this is the stand of the Indian posters , not Government of India ...

Lines drawn by British imperialist like durand line, Mcmohan line. (Chinese say they dont recognise any lines drawn by British imperialits)

Depends on who accepted it and under what circumstances ...

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

Well , Britain ( partial ) and Russian both accepted China's sovereignty over Tibet in 1904 ... Hence , Dalai Lama or his representatives were in no position to discuss the matter or define boundaries without the approval of Beijing ... The Tibetans had even initially rejected the drawn borders ...

China rejected the Accord and their plenipotentiary, Ivan Chen, withdrew on 3 July 1914. The British and Tibetan plenipotentiaries then attached a note denying China any privileges under the Accord and sealed it as a bilateral agreement the same day.[3][4]In the late 1950s, the McMahon Line became a source of tension between China and India.[24] China contends that Tibet was never an independent state and so it could not sign a treaty on behalf of China to delineate an international frontier.[25]



My above statement refers to the alignment and proper demarcation of Pak-China border and not to a major territorial dispute ... Twist it not ! Not really , this is the stand of the Indian posters , not Government of India ...

I was just applying your twisted logic of gifting territory to China, that since it was under jurisdiction of CHina you signed the agreement to our current dispute.

But its good, if India and Pakistan agrees to convert LOC into international border all the problem will get solved. And after the trust is restored, the kashmiris can be allowed free movement across the border.

@topic: The main point is Nehru was right in stating that whatever south of Mcmohan line is India, because it inherits British India. And China was planning to attack for long time, it took 1-2 years to transport the troops from China's mainland to tibetan borders with India. And Nehru was foolish in expecting that China will not attack India.
So Nehru was right on one point while wrong on military strategies and military intelligene aspects.

 

[Secur]

I was just applying your twisted logic of gifting territory to China, that since it was under jurisdiction of CHina you signed the agreement to our current dispute.

But its good, if India and Pakistan agrees to convert LOC into international border all the problem will get solved. And after the trust is restored, the kashmiris can be allowed free movement across the border.

@topic: The main point is Nehru was right in stating that whatever south of Mcmohan line is India, because it inherits British India. And China was planning to attack for long time, it took 1-2 years to transport the troops from China's mainland to tibetan borders with India. And Nehru was foolish in expecting that China will not attack India.
So Nehru was right on one point while wrong on military strategies and military intelligene aspects.

Wrong again ! None was gifting territory to other ... It was merely an alignment and demarcation proper of the border and cleaning of the mess created by the British ... Nothing else ... Yeah , the area was under the jurisdiction of China ( Read the border agreement , it specifically mentions that ) ... Pakistan got about 750 sq miles when Peking ( old name ) withdrew ... Believe it or not , such thing will not happen ... Any Govt on any side proposing or implementing that will commit a suicide - a political one !

Nah , I have constantly proved that China never approved of the agreement and since they were the sovereigns of the area , the drawn lines were against the International law and not legal ... Beijing only got proactive after the aggressive patrolling by Indian troops and provocative actions by Government of India , not before ! Nehru wasn't foolish , he just had underestimated his new found Red friends ...

I could guarantee that today if India says that we are ready to hand over the Dalai Lama to China all the oustanding issues would be solved. . . . .Leave aside AP,the Chinese would not even be interested in Tawang!!

What absurd logic is that ? ... What does handing over of Dalai Lama has to do with the dispute and how would it solve all your disputes ?

 

[cirr]

and we became a nuke power after that and now we have entire China under the range of our missile...So never again.

You are very mistaken if you think India would dare use nuclear bombs against a repeat of 1962.

China has border dispute with 20 countries, what you can expect for them. Pakistan also surrendered a huge territory to win their friendship.

list those 20 countries。otherwise you are just farting。

 

[Merilion]

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@topic: The main point is Nehru was right in stating that whatever south of Mcmohan line is India, because it inherits British India. And China was planning to attack for long time, it took 1-2 years to transport the troops from China's mainland to tibetan borders with India. And Nehru was foolish in expecting that China will not attack India.
So Nehru was right on one point while wrong on military strategies and military intelligene aspects.

China never recognize McMahon line. Even British gov admitted that line was illegal and apologized to China a few years back.
And, talking about McMahon line, under stupid Nehru's foolish forward policy india pushed its posts north of McMahon line before the war.
After the war stupid Nehru and alike again successfully managed to fool the whole india.