DIO starts the delivery of Sayyad-3C Air Defense missiles
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So far: 1) Bavar 373
2) S200
3) S300 PMU2
Long range systems that are covering the skies
2) S200
3) S300 PMU2
Long range systems that are covering the skies
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Bavar-373 isn't operational yet, but soon that will be the breakdown. S-200s likely to be used against large HVTs like tankers, AWACS etc with their huge range, until they are retired.
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I believe after Bavar s-200 will only be used as short range ballistic missile ,as the system is too old and even since vietnam war fighters knew how to counter them I doubt it can be used against Electronic warfare systems like AWACS .
maybe against tanker yes but it's ages since the system is useless against AWACS.
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The S-200 is still a good system, first combat use was in Libya in the 80's and it failed because Libya lacked any kind of IADS. It needs to be used in a IADS where it has a specific role, attacking high flying less maneuverable enemy assets.
It is so because it is a brute force system, you can always upgrade brute force systems to become more effective because the fundamentals are there (plenty of it), you just make it more sophisticated. It has formidable kinematics even at max. range of 250km and a huge SARH seeker.
With a new FCS it would be a very good static system (like the Ghadir radar is a static system).
Russians relied on the S-200 (in its more potent and longer range Soviet variant) till the collapse of the Soviet union ( hence till the time they had the best IADS in the world). Only the S-300PM was range wise good enough to finally replace the S-200 (in the 90's onwards). One has just to imagine how much the operational capability of the US would be degraded if Iran would have the best Soviet standard S-200 variant with 400km range, every tanker would have to fly low and so on, this little things contribute to a significant overall degradation of offensive capability.
The Sayyad-3 and -2 plus short range systems are basically part of the battery to protect the static S-200 and avoid it's high value missile to be wasted.
In Bushehr we now have a base with following protection:
-S-200 as the longest range asset (250km or Iranians upgraded it to come close to the Russian standard of 300km and up to 400km). Very effective against stand-off jammers, AEW, tankers, bombers and any large ESM and intel assets (JSTARS) and still dangerous against fighters.
-S-300 as very long range system (200km) potent against fighters and ballistic missiles.
-Sayyad-3?, likely to join the Sayyad-2 system. 120km long range asset with over horizon anti-CM capability against low fyling targets.
-Sayyad-2 upper medium range (50km) high altitude asset with possibly short range anti-BM capability and generally high PK in its smaller envelope.
-HAWK for lower medium range (40km) lower value targets.
-Ya-Zahra/Crotale? not seen in Bushehr yet but would be the VSHORAD asset with anti-PGM capability
- Rapier, low performance short range VSHORAD asset
- Skyguard 35mm AAA and other potential AAA assets, from Mesbah 23mm series to normal 23mm guns, plus MANPADS.
This are the multi-layered assets available for just one base and not including IRGC-ASF assets in Bushehr. Every asset has a very specific task in the IADS depending on threat situation.
It is so because it is a brute force system, you can always upgrade brute force systems to become more effective because the fundamentals are there (plenty of it), you just make it more sophisticated. It has formidable kinematics even at max. range of 250km and a huge SARH seeker.
With a new FCS it would be a very good static system (like the Ghadir radar is a static system).
Russians relied on the S-200 (in its more potent and longer range Soviet variant) till the collapse of the Soviet union ( hence till the time they had the best IADS in the world). Only the S-300PM was range wise good enough to finally replace the S-200 (in the 90's onwards). One has just to imagine how much the operational capability of the US would be degraded if Iran would have the best Soviet standard S-200 variant with 400km range, every tanker would have to fly low and so on, this little things contribute to a significant overall degradation of offensive capability.
The Sayyad-3 and -2 plus short range systems are basically part of the battery to protect the static S-200 and avoid it's high value missile to be wasted.
In Bushehr we now have a base with following protection:
-S-200 as the longest range asset (250km or Iranians upgraded it to come close to the Russian standard of 300km and up to 400km). Very effective against stand-off jammers, AEW, tankers, bombers and any large ESM and intel assets (JSTARS) and still dangerous against fighters.
-S-300 as very long range system (200km) potent against fighters and ballistic missiles.
-Sayyad-3?, likely to join the Sayyad-2 system. 120km long range asset with over horizon anti-CM capability against low fyling targets.
-Sayyad-2 upper medium range (50km) high altitude asset with possibly short range anti-BM capability and generally high PK in its smaller envelope.
-HAWK for lower medium range (40km) lower value targets.
-Ya-Zahra/Crotale? not seen in Bushehr yet but would be the VSHORAD asset with anti-PGM capability
- Rapier, low performance short range VSHORAD asset
- Skyguard 35mm AAA and other potential AAA assets, from Mesbah 23mm series to normal 23mm guns, plus MANPADS.
This are the multi-layered assets available for just one base and not including IRGC-ASF assets in Bushehr. Every asset has a very specific task in the IADS depending on threat situation.
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the point is the enemy should consider S200 and try to take it out or risks to be taken out by it .... S200 is another obstacle in any of their plans ...
at least they will be force to use some missiles to target S200 SAMs ...
at least they will be force to use some missiles to target S200 SAMs ...
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You don't think that a country that is building Sayad-3 & Bavar 373 has the ability to upgrade the S-200's guidance system with its own technology?
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the design has its limitation and you can't do much with it unless you upgrade it to something which is not s-200 .
by the way USSR and Russia upgraded it a lot of times and because of those limitation the upgrades become obsolete lets say in short time.
Don't forget at the height of the cold war when they designed the missile they designed it for carrying a small nuclear war head . they wanted to use it to hit clusters of American bombers over north pole in case of any attack , they didn't design it to be used against a single airplane.
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Another detail of the Sayyad-3 and Taher-2B:
Meanwhile Iran has strong long range thermal cameras, this means that aircraft can be detected in IR spectrum at 70-100km+. This is a new capability.
We see what should be redundant secondary proximity fuse system on both missiles, they are needed because in passive IR guidance mode there is no direct and sufficiently accurate range data available.
So a Sayyad-3 battery can in fact be used in a near passive operation regime. It uses target data supplied by the overall IADS to feed the Sayyad-3 INS and put it into the right energy optimized trajectory. It will communicate with the missile via a low power radio link possibly in a LPI mode, get on course of the IR camera (line of sight at terminal stage) and use its complex proximity fuse to detonate when close enough.
Its possible of course that the operation is less sophisticated than described but the hint on a IR guidance is at least something similar.
In a traditional operation regime the IR channel data could be continuously cross checked to increase jamming resistance.
Meanwhile Iran has strong long range thermal cameras, this means that aircraft can be detected in IR spectrum at 70-100km+. This is a new capability.
We see what should be redundant secondary proximity fuse system on both missiles, they are needed because in passive IR guidance mode there is no direct and sufficiently accurate range data available.
So a Sayyad-3 battery can in fact be used in a near passive operation regime. It uses target data supplied by the overall IADS to feed the Sayyad-3 INS and put it into the right energy optimized trajectory. It will communicate with the missile via a low power radio link possibly in a LPI mode, get on course of the IR camera (line of sight at terminal stage) and use its complex proximity fuse to detonate when close enough.
Its possible of course that the operation is less sophisticated than described but the hint on a IR guidance is at least something similar.
In a traditional operation regime the IR channel data could be continuously cross checked to increase jamming resistance.
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yes i can,
the videos test which i posted is Sayyad-3 which is was first gen of Sayyad3 AD missile with more than 120 KM range, the Sayyad-3C truthly is long range AD system with range of more then Syyad-3, the photage of Sayyad-3c has not been released yet , S300-PMU1 had range 120 KM and it is considered as long arge system and with MIM-104 Patriot pack 2 had 120KM range . both S300-PMU1 and MIM-104 Patriot can target certain type of SRBM ballistic missile so............
Sayyad-3C truthly is long range AD system,
it was development Sayyad-3C R&D which led to Sayyad-2C
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@yavar
now Iran has its hand on the S-300PMU-2 missile (electronics, radar, seeker....)
Is there something Iran can benefit from it or this technology was already reached by iranian engineers.
I think you wrote in the past Iran will for sure benefit from the S-300 PMU-2 missile computer, so now Iran can get its hands on the anti balistic technology and implement into future, homegrown AD missiles...
But AFAIK Iran gave Putin promise NOT to reverse engineer the S-300 PMU-2, but i think Iran will do it anyway
Whats your opinion/conspiracy theory about Irans AD capabilities, which number in the world, it surpass China? Or we have to wait till next decade...
now Iran has its hand on the S-300PMU-2 missile (electronics, radar, seeker....)
Is there something Iran can benefit from it or this technology was already reached by iranian engineers.
I think you wrote in the past Iran will for sure benefit from the S-300 PMU-2 missile computer, so now Iran can get its hands on the anti balistic technology and implement into future, homegrown AD missiles...
But AFAIK Iran gave Putin promise NOT to reverse engineer the S-300 PMU-2, but i think Iran will do it anyway
Whats your opinion/conspiracy theory about Irans AD capabilities, which number in the world, it surpass China? Or we have to wait till next decade...
