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Did US Succeed In Buying Out Parts Of Pakistani Media?

US FOLLOWS CAPITALISM,i.e control all resources for own use and slave rest of the world!
only who proves to b loyal slave gets control of pak gov,they give dam to ur sovereignty,the worship money n thats all they can see!
we cannot get rid of these agents until we throw this system away n we can do it if our army stands with & for us

I think you better wake up out of your slumber. It is China that is quickly controlling the worlds resources. They are on a buying spree all over the world including in Pakistan. And whats more you willingly give up your resources to them. Which don't get me wrong, I say more power to them! They have a growing economy and need more resources then they can supply domestically. They are doing nothing different then any other Capitalist country. And Pakistan along with India and other Asian and African countries are more then happy to sell them what they want for a price. Which is no different then what you accuse the U.S. of doing.
 
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The problem lies with the media that they want us to follow what they are showing. They are buliding our minds to follow what they shows.
It is like control of mind and emotions,
 
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If only Pakistan would agree and follow our demands.... Pakistan would be better off....

you guys make this tuff on yourselves

You wait and see what Pakistan does to the US in the end...

You will curse the day when you initiated your designs against this country...
 
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I think you better wake up out of your slumber. It is China that is quickly controlling the worlds resources. They are on a buying spree all over the world including in Pakistan. And whats more you willingly give up your resources to them. Which don't get me wrong, I say more power to them! They have a growing economy and need more resources then they can supply domestically. They are doing nothing different then any other Capitalist country. And Pakistan along with India and other Asian and African countries are more then happy to sell them what they want for a price. Which is no different then what you accuse the U.S. of doing.

Agreed. Two wrongs dont make a right.

However there is a big difference between China and America's attitude towards Pakistan. You are on our wrong side permanently and no amount of money can now restore good will towards America within our society. Whereas China is considered a true friend of Pakistan and its sincerity shall be further tested by us very soon.
 
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What lesson can we as a forum take from these events? Where ought we stand? I don't about Ms. Mazari but about editorial responsibility - Some Pakistanis think that ideas such a editorial responsibility are outdated, after all, they argue, that right and wrong as just equals, not opposites, good and bad similarly are equal, not opposites - and that freedom of expression means that all expression is equal and acceptable -

Are all ideas "equal"?? If yes, how so? for instance are all ideas morally equal?

Some Pakistanis argue that even if they grant that all equals are not equal, who is to decide what is right and what is wrong and what is good and what is bad?

where should we stand?

To apply the concept of "editorial policy" to a forum is far-fetched and against the very basic principles of running a forum. If this were a newpaper organisation, media outlet, or even an online blog, we could've voted for an editorial policy.

I feel you are confused as to the role of this forum or any other. Let's get down to the nitty-gritty: on a forum all members can publish content and all other members can comment. On a blog/publication, only a certain select number of users/administrators have the rights/privilege to do so, all members/users can post comments.

When one speaks of an editorial policy, then one has to be sure of what the "website" aims for. To think that every single user will comply with the "ed. policy" when they are posting comments in incorrect. Now to say that def.pk should toe a certain line is also incorrect because this is not a "propoganda tool". Largely def.pk's admin is "progressive" (mind you, I am not using the misused and abused "liberal" term) but it does not actively encourage or propogate a certain stance that negates "progressive" principles.

As far as the concept of equal versus opposite is concerned, you yourself mention the "moral" bend. What are one user's morals, won't be another user's morals, and hence the two would never look in the eye. For a third person, whose morals are entirely different from the two above, well, he'll view the two as holding wrongful positions. That's where the concept of "equal" versus "opposites" creeps in. I have afeeling you want a blanket defintion for this where none such exists and shouldn't in the first place. it makes "each to his own redundant".

I'd like to quote Kohlberg's work on moral maturity here, a bit abridged but a refreshing read in its entirety too.

"On the basis of his research, Kohlberg identified six stages of moral reasoning grouped into three major levels. At the first, preconventional level, a person's moral judgments are characterized by a concrete, individual perspective. Within this level, a Stage 1 heteronomous orientation focuses on avoiding breaking rules that are backed by punishment, obedience for its own sake, and avoiding the physical consequences of an action. At Stage 2 a moral orientation emerges that focuses on the instrumental, pragmatic values of actions. Reciprocity is of the form: "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours."

Individuals at the second, conventional, level reason about moral situations with an understanding that norms and conventions are necessary to uphold society. Within this level, individuals at Stage 3 define what is right in terms of what is expected by people close to them and in terms of the stereo-typic roles that define being good–for example, a good brother, mother, teacher. Stage 4 marks the shift from defining what is right in terms of local norms and role expectations to defining right in terms of the laws and norms established by the larger social system. This is the "member of society" perspective in which one is moral by fulfilling the actual duties defining one's social responsibilities.

Finally, the postconventional level is characterized by reasoning based on principles, using a "prior to society" perspective. These individuals reason on the basis of principles that underlie rules and norms. While two stages have been presented within the theory, only one, Stage 5, has received substantial empirical support. Stage 6 remains a theoretical endpoint that rationally follows from the preceding five stages. In essence this last level of moral judgment entails reasoning rooted in the ethical fairness principles from which moral laws would be devised. Laws are evaluated in terms of their coherence with basic principles of fairness rather than upheld simply on the basis of their place within an existing social order."


Moral Development - Lawrence Kohlberg's Theory of Moral Development and Education - Social, Children, Child, Stage, Morality, and Domain
 
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There is an assumption that "moral maturity" only progresses and not "regresses", kohlberg's research showed the same was not true.

Behavior: Toward Moral Maturity - TIME

A group of young inmates in a New England reformatory began meeting regularly last year to talk about a subject that normally receives little attention in prisons: ethics. They were participating in a novel experiment designed by Harvard Psychologist Lawrence Kohlberg to teach moral judgment—not by sermons, but through open discussions.

When the reformatory sessions began, many of the boys agreed with the philosophy of one teen-age felon who insisted that "If I'm not gettin' nothin', I'm not givin' nothin'." But now they share the outlook of another inmate who voices a concept that would have seemed alien to them before they began meeting: that it is important "to respect other people's feelings."

Wide Cross Section. This change in attitude seems to bear out Kohlberg's unique theories, formulated in the course of 15 years of research in the field of moral psychology. He believes that morality "is not a bag of virtues" (honesty, generosity, loyalty and the like) but an idea of justice that is primitive in young children and becomes more sophisticated as a child passes through distinct stages of moral development.

In the first of these six stages, which Kohlberg established after interviewing a cross section of youngsters about imaginary moral problems, "right" behavior is based on fear of punishment. In the second stage, the criterion is selfish need —as in the case of a child who believed a man should steal a lifesaving drug for his wife because if she dies "there'll be no one to cook his food."

At Stage 3, a child is "good" to win approval; by Stage 4, the law is respected and upheld out of a simplistic concern for law and order. Those who progress to Stage 5 believe that the purpose of the law is to preserve human rights and that unjust laws should be changed. In the opinion of those who reach Stage 6, unjust laws may be broken, because morality is grounded not in legality or in specific rules like the Ten Commandments but in abstract principles of justice and respect for the individual. At this level, a 16-year-old told Kohlberg he would steal to save a life because "human life is above financial gain."

Kohlberg's reformatory subjects were operating primarily at Stages 1 and 2 when the experiment began. Although most of them are now moving into Stage 4, their problems are far from over. As Kohlberg himself acknowledges, moral judgment does not ensure moral behavior; it is hard to act justly in an unjust world, especially for those too weak to resist temptation. Prison rules are often unfair, and prison staffers are not necessarily much more moral than inmates. Outside, released prisoners may find a society that may not help reinforce their new-found morality; although U.S. democracy is founded on Stage 5 thinking, Kohlberg estimates that fewer than one out of three Americans have reached that level.

Moral Nihilism. Yet Kohlberg does not despair, either for his delinquents or for society. He recalls that Socrates was put to death for trying to teach morality and observes that although "we now occasionally assassinate such people, it is not government policy to do so." Besides, as recently as a generation ago, "nobody would have raised an issue such as the Son My massacre." Kohlberg is also optimistic about the behavior of college students; he hopes that the moral nihilism displayed by some may actually mark "a developmental step forward." He cites as an example one study in which 20% of the students who left high school with a mixture of Stage 4 and Stage 5 morality regressed in college to Stage 2. But by age 25, they had again attained Stage 5, with a new tolerance for moral outlooks different from their own.



Read more: Behavior: Toward Moral Maturity - TIME
 
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Mazari was also removed from The News, now again !!

she is senior PTI member by the way...:pakistan:
 
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We will be a lot better if we think using our heads instead that how we will be "well-off" so thanks but No Thanks.
 
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There are multiple dimensions to what US is doing and some of them go against our interest completely. China would remain here, so it cannot afford to offend any of its neighboring countries and will refrain from creating mess here. It has developed itself well and it has helped its supporters develop a good deal as well. So may be you are sacared of their increasing influence and "buy spree" while for the region it will be win-win deal.

Unlike America, another good thing about Chinese is that they are humble and know how to respect the others who they deal with.

So sorry your claims don't carry any weight in them.
 
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