Did the USSR really intend to attack Pakistan?

[T-Faz]

So, the very basic question arises--Why were we towing imperialist agenda?
Who should be blamed--Zia or the institution?

Zia as an individual played his part but a captain without the team can do nothing!

Zia wanted to legitimize his unpopular rule and this was his chance to gain support for himself while also being able to turn the nation into a haven for extremists.

The entire establishment thought of this involvement as a great idea because they assumed the America would indefinitely support Pakistan even after this war was over.

America used and then threw away Pakistan after their objective was achieved.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I could answer that post,
But, its best suited for stupid and Oh my God i can't over my insecurity hall of fame
Let it be like so.

 

[Spring Onion]

Let me tell you this once and for all, USSR never planned or wanted to attack or invade Pakistan.

This was manufactured by Zia's government and the American Gov to legitimise their involvement in Afghanistan, this was fed to the people of Pakistan as the reason for our involvement.

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Just to to correct the record : Much before Zia the preparations were started by Bhutto and infact it was idea of Bhutto .

 

[Sinnerman108]

Childish, isn't that your central argument against everything.



Nonsense, they could have launched an attack on Pakistan without control of southern Afghanistan. The soviets won all their battles during their occupation of Afghanistan and they even launched air raids on Pakistan, however the aim was to scare the insurgents, not attack Pakistan.



Your imagination is quite vivid, what has supply lines got to do with an attack or invasion of Pakistan. As the referenced article stated that the Soviets were able to bring their forces to the border but they never physically crossed the border because their aim was not to get involved in anything other than Afghanistan.



As head of ISI, Gen Rahman was the one who implemented Operation Cyclone in Pakistan, I am merely giving credit where it is due.



It was based on lies, the soviets never intended to invade or attack Pakistan.



Hmm, Zia's cowardly deception, reminds me of a group (Wahabi!)

Just to to correct the record : Much before Zia the preparations were started by Bhutto and infact it was idea of Bhutto .

Arghhh JANA !
I was going to have fun ! you have spoiled such a perfect opportunity

Now you'd have make another one in exchange !

 

[Spring Onion]

Arghhh JANA !
I was going to have fun ! you have spoiled such a perfect opportunity

Now you'd have make another one in exchange !

opss sorry. i know about a secrete from that time and its about one of generals hehehe but dont wana share it here

 

[T-Faz]

Just to to correct the record : Much before Zia the preparations were started by Bhutto and infact it was idea of Bhutto .

Bhutto's doctrine was to arm and support Islamists in order to counter the PDPA which was utilizing the Pashtunistan movement to their benefit.

Hekmatyar was one such person who was given support by Pakistan.

Similarly, it was Carters Gov which initiated this plan but it was Reagan who spearheaded it.

 

[T-Faz]

I could answer that post,
But, its best suited for stupid and Oh my God i can't over my insecurity hall of fame
Let it be like so.

If it were best suited for 'stupid', you would be all over it.

Anyway, much like your other posts, this one does not make much sense either.

 

[Spring Onion]

Bhutto's doctrine was to arm and support Islamists in order to counter the PDPA which was utilizing the Pashtunistan movement to their benefit.

Hekmatyar was one such person who was given support by Pakistan.

NO we gave support to all including Ahmad Shah Masood and all we brought on one platform uzbeks, tajiks, Pukhtuns all.

the plan was already discussed formulated by Bhutto and later implemented by zia

 

[acetophenol]

I have a quick question!

IF USSR was so keen to go to Arabian sea/Indian ocean--Why did not they just ask India because India was their ally and still it?

India might be a mile away from Arabian Peninsula but I think USSR army knew the consequences of the war with Pakistan.

Was the war fought to fill the pockets of Zia and other generals?

Was the hype created to gather people?

Where are the facts, official documents?

What if we did not mess with Soviets in Afghanistan--Did not we make the U.S. most powerful nation?

Facts PLEASE!

IF USSR indeed wanted to attack us, I'd be more than happy to read FACTS.

i dont think the ties between india and russia was so strong enough for india ti go own war in behalf o russia.
weren't we somewhat a part of the non-alighnment movement?

 

[T-Faz]

NO we gave support to all including Ahmad Shah Masood and all we brought on one platform uzbeks, tajiks, Pukhtuns all.

the plan was already discussed formulated by Bhutto and later implemented by zia

That is what I am saying, aren't I?

However Bhutto had initiated his plan, It was Bhutto's doctrine, he entrusted Major General Naseerullah Babar to overlook the support and development of Islamist elements within Afghanistan

The primary support was given to Hekmatyar and his party Hizb-e-Islami Afghanistan.

Strongly backed by the Pakistani government of Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Hekmatyar established Hezb-e-Islami Afghanistan in 1976.

The Jamestown Foundation: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar: From Holy Warrior to Wanted Terrorist

Gen Zia only expanded the policy and they were given a lot more than what Bhutto had planned.

 

[Kompromat]

It explains it all.

 

[Mike2011]

Lets say for warm water, USSR attacked pakistan. What is the benefit of having warm water?

 

[Comet]

The presence of USSR alone in Afghanistan would have been enough for Pakistan to feel the pressure. The communists in the country would have been in much better condition due to support from USSR and this wan not acceptable to the capitalist regime of the west. Therefore, they played the "USSR will attack" and "Pakistan will be sandwich between two friends India and USSR" cards to fool the masses and jump in the deadliest of the wars. The after effects can still be heard.

 

[nightcrawler]

I have personally asked this question to many Russians...& the answer is same as is given by T-Faz. The theory of warm waters they recall is stupid as they can lease more than one port via India; also if they want to go to war with Pakistan we would already be crushed...

 

[Kompromat]

I have personally asked this question to many Russians...& the answer is same as is given by T-Faz. The theory of warm waters they recall is stupid as they can lease more than one port via India; also if they want to go to war with Pakistan we would already be crushed...

How would they reach india in the first place ?