Did the US really fund and masterminded ISIS terrorism in the Middle East ?

[retaxis]

OP is not muslim nor Indonesian. He is just an angry little Indian who worships US.

 

[Qmjd]

dude, The Americans were themselves surprised by the sectarian nature of the Iraqi military.

here the US army scold iraqi police, telling them the ugly truth about so called Iraqi security forces.
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Lmao, the US invasion of Iraq is relatively clean, compare that to Assad barrel bombing of Damascus, Aleppo, Idlib etc.

What idiot american doing invading iraq what iraqbdid to moron american that usa decided to go war on sovereign country

dude, The Americans were themselves surprised by the sectarian nature of the Iraqi military.

here the US army scold iraqi police, telling them the ugly truth about so called Iraqi security forces.
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minute 0:34


minute 0:53


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Lmao, the US invasion of Iraq is relatively clean, compare that to Assad barrel bombing of Damascus, Aleppo, Idlib etc.

What iraq did to American s that the whole country was invaded by usa.
How much idiot you can be just on assumptions.
you killed generations of humans.
You are the real evil of this world.
Get rid of your self shameless supporter of usa.
Now corona is cleaning your asz get rid of it retards.

 

[obj 705A]

OP is not muslim nor Indonesian. He is just an angry little Indian who worships US.

Indeed either he is Indian or he is literally a CIA agent.

While we do have few members who have largely similar opinions to striver, however they do not continuously and consistently spam the forum with threads and replies all day long so we can safely say they are not false flaggers or agents.

Yet for Striver it is different, for the past several months he has been posting several threads a day!

So not only does he consistently repeat CIA talking points on almost every single issue around the world but he also spends quite alot of time replying and spamming threads all day, all week and for several months without any interruption! either he has no job or spamming pro CIA threads and replys literally is his job and he lives off of it. LOL may be I'm giving him too much credit and he really is just a jobless Indian who came here from that Bharat raksh*t forum to troll around.

 

[striver44]

What idiot american doing invading iraq what iraqbdid to moron american that usa decided to go war on sovereign country

What iraq did to American s that the whole country was invaded by usa.
How much idiot you can be just on assumptions.
you killed generations of humans.
You are the real evil of this world.
Get rid of your self shameless supporter of usa.
Now corona is cleaning your asz get rid of it retards.

Ok, there's some truths to this, but still did the US actually funded and raised Isis ? That's the whole point of my thread.

America: "Oops sry we have been openly & unwillingly smuggling weapons to jihadis the past several years in Syria and now there is a huge powerful jihadi army..I wonder how that happened".

Learn to read my post, I've explained it.

 

[Qmjd]

On topic: pretty much.

On a side note: I've found that half of the people base their entire opinion on headlines, and the other half base their opinion on that fact that the article is critical of the US, and anything that criticizes the US is treated as the truth.

Only a scant few actually care about having an honest good-faith debate.

If a lie makes a person feel the way the liar wants them to, the person being lied to will ignore the truth. This is how propaganda works. This is how extremists and fascists recruit the most vulnerable people to their cause, from the poor to the disenfranchised, to the kids just wanting to fit in.

Ok, there's some truths to this, but still did the US actually funded and raised Isis ? That's the whole point of my thread.

Learn to read my post, I've explained it.

See the real america starved and unemployed.
Dying days of a star.

 

[striver44]

See the real america starved and unemployed.
Dying days of a star.

still no evidence of US arming Isis....

 

[rent4country]

We told them to kill each other, told them to then claim it was in the name of Islam? That's the ridiculousness they want to propagate as excuses for their own kind perpetrating terrorism on each other. Either we are masters controlling their brains or this is a deflection and projection at its highest level. heh

 

[Globenim]

According to one of the usual spockpuppets of the American state propaganda wing dilluting the waters with misleading and contradicting disinformation America isnt as much of a criminal genocidal mafia terrorising the entire world and funding murder and suffering left an right of it as you think.

Well I guess then its settled. The culprit has spoken, the culprit may leave the court.

 

[CrazyZ]

So recently one member @jupiter2007 shared me a video which he claims to be a proof that the US is behind ISIS.

People's like this usually reads the title and goes snapping to the conclusion without seeing what's the slightest content is all about.

here's a summary of that video:

The USA helped create Isis in a sense that after the US invasion, a chaos ensues in the form of sectarian warfare between the Sunni and Shiite. this is a rsult of the US disbanding the Iraqi army after OIF 2003.

watch from 3:39, here's a quote

Another US mistake is during OIF, there are images of US soldiers abusing muslims which gave rise to discontent among Iraqi populations where they eventually turn to radicalism for revenge.
from 4:50



when the US topples Saddam, they put in his place a Shiite named Noori Al Maliki as PM of Iraq

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noori Al Maliki is a known sectarian which uses Iraqi state apparatus to advanced shiite agenda in Iraq.

This resulted in discontent among Iraqi Sunni, which later helped the rise and filling the rabks of ISIS, by 2014 for example, Fallujah is a no go zone for Iraqi army.

here's a quote from 6:49


disbanding the majority Sunni Baathist Iraqi army send as many as 400.000 young men to the street without jobs or salary, in which the Jihadists make use of them. In fact if we saw the fall of Mosul in 2014, the commander of the successful Isis operation is a disbanded Iraqi army officer.

which he (the narrator) continue in 7:32


the disanded Iraqi army are replaced with a Shiite army which only gave rise to Isis popularity during the Iraqi insurgency.
This sectarian government and army (that the US put in place of the Baathists) further help Isis popularity in Iraq in 2014 after a deadly crackdown.

2012–2013 Iraqi protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seeing it from a historical perspective , it's kinda strange that the US suddenly funded Isis to wreck havoc in the Middle East consider that Isis is already there as early as the late 90s, when Abu Mus'ab Al Zarqawi a Jordanian extremists based it's camp there .

it just don't make any sense whatsoever when people said that the US is behind ISIS.
so looking it carefully, The US didn't fund or create ISIS like some low IQ members stated, rather US miscalculations helped ISIS rise. There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

also one of the most common alibi I saw is that the US is arming ISIS, this is simply not true because Iraq is already a failed country where arms are traded very easily in the black market as well as some corrupt Iraqi army officer.

Isis is also bolstered when the Syrian war started where they gained so much arms and weapons from the incompetent Syrian Arab Army, so much so that Oryxspioenkop had a while series of articles about this:


Islamic State captures Ayyash weapons depots in largest arms haul of Syrian Civil War

Islamic State captures Brigade 93 in largest heavy-arms haul of Syrian Civil War


Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State

Islamic State captures masses of Iranian-supplied weaponry near Khanasir

Islamic State captures large numbers of radars and missiles at Tadmur (Palmyra) airbase

this arms in turn helped Isis to regenerate power after it had been defeated by the US led Iraqi awakening movement in 2009, in which they use the equipment captured in Syria to surprise and rout the Iraqi army, in the process they also gained thousand of abandoned Iraqi military equipment . Here's one example

Iraq lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles in Mosul: PM


SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb.

I believe that a small faction of Neocons were largely responsible for the Iraq mess. Most Americans including many in the Pentagon....wanted nothing to do with invading Iraq after 911. Bush was not very bright. Cheney was worried the USA would run out of oil (pre shale revolution). Final push came from an bio-terror anthrax attack the FBI today believes was of domestic origins. All key people involved "committed" suicide....so no one to go after. Bush and Cheney went along with the Neo-con plot.

The Neocons were all Zionists and had ulterior motives, IMO. They wanted incite sectarian rifts in the ME to weaken the Arabs and also Iranians while strengthening Israel. Their plans went quite well. They predicted the Arabs and Iranians quite well. ISIS is just another outcome of that plan.

ISIS-K also had safe heavens in Afghanistan with 100K NATO troops present on a counter terror mission. How does that happen? Because NDS, RAW, and possible the CIA wanted to use ISIS-K against Pakistan and the Taliban. Things did not go according to plan in Afghanistan. TTP was routed and Taliban became resurgent.

dude, The Americans were themselves surprised by the sectarian nature of the Iraqi military.

here the US army scold iraqi police, telling them the ugly truth about so called Iraqi security forces.
minute 0:23


minute 0:34


minute 0:53


minute 2:21



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Lmao, the US invasion of Iraq is relatively clean, compare that to Assad barrel bombing of Damascus, Aleppo, Idlib etc.

America consists of many different factions. Some were surprised. For the Neocons.....all part of the plan.

 

[Qmjd]

still no evidence of US arming Isis....

Get a real grip of yourself if found does that make a difference.
Usa invaded the sovereign country with shock and awe style.
You find this evidence what you gonna do about it.

 

[That Guy]

See the real america starved and unemployed.
Dying days of a star.

The death of the US has been predicted since its birth, and it has only grown more powerful over the decades. Its still the indisputable since most power nation in the world.

The USA is far from a dying star.

 

[striver44]

ISIS-K also had safe heavens in Afghanistan with 100K NATO troops present on a counter terror mission. How does that happen? Because NDS, RAW, and possible the CIA wanted to use ISIS-K against Pakistan and the Taliban. Things did not go according to plan in Afghanistan. TTP was routed and Taliban became resurgent.

how is it CIA and RAW fault ?????

ISIS is a franchise, meaning that you could in theory become part of their "province" if you follow their directives, terms, know-how, procedures, use of its business model and brand, . it's kinda operate like IKEA.

for example ISIS had this so called wilayat/province of Sinai, it operate in Egypt's Sinai province, before Isis rise in 2014 it had no contact whatsoever with Isis, rather it operated independently called the Ansar Al Bait AL Maqdis.

Ansar Bait al-Maqdis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

in 2014 Ansar Al Bait Al Maqdis sent emissary to Isis central and plede allegiance, thereby renaming themselves as Isis-Sinai.

Islamic State – Sinai Province - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the same is also applied with their South East Asia wing called the ISIS-SEA, which before 2017 operate independently/ separate as Abu Sayyaf.

Abu Sayyaf - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this model is also followed as very recently in Mozambique and Nigeria, where Boko Haram announce their allegiance to Isis and renamed themselves ISIS-WA (West Africa), while the MTM (in Mozambique) part of the Allied Democratic Forces announce their allegiance.

Allied Democratic Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

now it's called the ISIS-CA (Central Africa)

Islamic State – Central Africa Province - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and this is also the model their sympathizers in Afghanistan followed, wehn they eastablish ISIS-KP (khorasan province)

this shows that people who keep claiming that the US is behind Isis has not even a bit of understanding of what Isis really is or how it operate. I wonder why the mods let these kind of false information spreads in PDF in the last 5 years.

 

[Qmjd]

The death of the US has been predicted since its birth, and it has only grown more powerful over the decades. Its still the indisputable since most power nation in the world.

The USA is far from a dying star.

Everything dies with time.

 

[CrazyZ]

how is it CIA and RAW fault ?????

ISIS is a franchise, meaning that you could in theory become part of their "province" if you follow their directives, terms, know-how, procedures, use of its business model and brand, . it's kinda operate like IKEA.

for example ISIS had this so called wilayat/province of Sinai, it operate in Egypt's Sinai province, before Isis rise in 2014 it had no contact whatsoever with Isis, rather it operated independently called the Ansar Al Bait AL Maqdis.

Ansar Bait al-Maqdis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

in 2014 Ansar Al Bait Al Maqdis sent emissary to Isis central and plede allegiance, thereby renaming themselves as Isis-Sinai.

Islamic State – Sinai Province - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the same is also applied with their South East Asia wing called the ISIS-SEA, which before 2017 operate independently/ separate as Abu Sayyaf.

Abu Sayyaf - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this model is also followed as very recently in Mozambique and Nigeria, where Boko Haram announce their allegiance to Isis and renamed themselves ISIS-WA (West Africa), while the MTM (in Mozambique) part of the Allied Democratic Forces announce their allegiance.

Allied Democratic Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

now it's called the ISIS-CA (Central Africa)

Islamic State – Central Africa Province - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and this is also the model their sympathizers in Afghanistan followed, wehn they eastablish ISIS-KP (khorasan province)

this shows that people who keep claiming that the US is behind Isis has not even a bit of understanding of what Isis really is or how it operate. I wonder why the mods let these kind of false information spreads in PDF in the last 5 years.

Its not about naming, not sure your point. ISIS-K literally had sanctuaries inside Afghanistan at the same time 100k USA/NATO counter terror forces were their as well. This was only possible because NDS and its dark allies were protecting them. Even American and NATO troops have commented on this after coming home....in their minds ISIS-K were terrorist bad guys up to no good but they had no orders to go after them so looked the other way. Links between NDS and its allies to ISIS are irrefutable.

 

[striver44]

Its not about naming, not sure your point. ISIS-K literally had sanctuaries inside Afghanistan at the same time 100k USA/NATO counter terror forces were their as well. This was only possible because NDS and its dark allies were protecting them. Even American and NATO troops have commented on this after coming home....in their minds ISIS-K were terrorist bad guys up to no good but they had no orders to go after them so looked the other way. Links between NDS and its allies to ISIS are irrefutable.

100K NATO soldeir??

you must be refering to ISAF

International Security Assistance Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

at it's peak in 2012, it deploys 130.000 troops in Afghanistan.

ISAF were disbanded in 2014.

ISIS-KP only existed in 2015.

so what links are u talking about?