Did the US really fund and masterminded ISIS terrorism in the Middle East ?

[striver44]

So recently one member @jupiter2007 shared me a video which he claims to be a proof that the US is behind ISIS.

People's like this usually reads the title and goes snapping to the conclusion without seeing what's the slightest content is all about.

here's a summary of that video:

The USA helped create Isis in a sense that after the US invasion, a chaos ensues in the form of sectarian warfare between the Sunni and Shiite. this is a rsult of the US disbanding the Iraqi army after OIF 2003.

watch from 3:39, here's a quote

"the enemy in Iraq in other words are dynamic and changeable, a shadowy and loose group of former officers and soldiers of the vast security apparatus of the Saddam regime"

Another US mistake is during OIF, there are images of US soldiers abusing muslims which gave rise to discontent among Iraqi populations where they eventually turn to radicalism for revenge.
from 4:50

They (the US) did something much more beneficial to the jihadists cause, namely the televised image from Abu Ghraib of US soldiers picturing themselves torturing muslims

when the US topples Saddam, they put in his place a Shiite named Noori Al Maliki as PM of Iraq

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noori Al Maliki is a known sectarian which uses Iraqi state apparatus to advanced shiite agenda in Iraq.

This resulted in discontent among Iraqi Sunni, which later helped the rise and filling the rabks of ISIS, by 2014 for example, Fallujah is a no go zone for Iraqi army.

here's a quote from 6:49

Infact they (USA) again and again does mistake that enraged the Sunnis, make them more vulnerable, to make they think that they have to fight, in fact if we see ISIS cadre, there are a key cadre of ISI which is exclusively from the disbanded Iraqi army, all which comes from this relatively successful army that we (Americans) dissolved with little thought before hand, and send

disbanding the majority Sunni Baathist Iraqi army send as many as 400.000 young men to the street without jobs or salary, in which the Jihadists make use of them. In fact if we saw the fall of Mosul in 2014, the commander of the successful Isis operation is a disbanded Iraqi army officer.

which he (the narrator) continue in 7:32

In fact we created Isis (this way)

the disanded Iraqi army are replaced with a Shiite army which only gave rise to Isis popularity during the Iraqi insurgency.
This sectarian government and army (that the US put in place of the Baathists) further help Isis popularity in Iraq in 2014 after a deadly crackdown.

2012–2013 Iraqi protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seeing it from a historical perspective , it's kinda strange that the US suddenly funded Isis to wreck havoc in the Middle East consider that Isis is already there as early as the late 90s, when Abu Mus'ab Al Zarqawi a Jordanian extremists based it's camp there .

it just don't make any sense whatsoever when people said that the US is behind ISIS.
so looking it carefully, The US didn't fund or create ISIS like some low IQ members stated, rather US miscalculations helped ISIS rise. There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

also one of the most common alibi I saw is that the US is arming ISIS, this is simply not true because Iraq is already a failed country where arms are traded very easily in the black market as well as some corrupt Iraqi army officer.

Isis is also bolstered when the Syrian war started where they gained so much arms and weapons from the incompetent Syrian Arab Army, so much so that Oryxspioenkop had a while series of articles about this:


Islamic State captures Ayyash weapons depots in largest arms haul of Syrian Civil War

Islamic State captures Brigade 93 in largest heavy-arms haul of Syrian Civil War


Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State

Islamic State captures masses of Iranian-supplied weaponry near Khanasir

Islamic State captures large numbers of radars and missiles at Tadmur (Palmyra) airbase

this arms in turn helped Isis to regenerate power after it had been defeated by the US led Iraqi awakening movement in 2009, in which they use the equipment captured in Syria to surprise and rout the Iraqi army, in the process they also gained thousand of abandoned Iraqi military equipment . Here's one example

Iraq lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles in Mosul: PM


SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb.

 

[Qmjd]

So recently one member @jupiter2007 shared me a video which he claims to be a proof that the US is behind ISIS.

People's like this usually reads the title and goes snapping to the conclusion without seeing what's the slightest content is all about.

here's a summary of that video:

The USA helped create Isis in a sense that after the US invasion, a chaos ensues in the form of sectarian warfare between the Sunni and Shiite. this is a rsult of the US disbanding the Iraqi army after OIF 2003.

watch from 3:39, here's a quote

Another US mistake is during OIF, there are images of US soldiers abusing muslims which gave rise to discontent among Iraqi populations where they eventually turn to radicalism for revenge.
from 4:50



when the US topples Saddam, they put in his place a Shiite named Noori Al Maliki as PM of Iraq

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noori Al Maliki is a known sectarian which uses Iraqi state apparatus to advanced shiite agenda in Iraq.

This resulted in discontent among Iraqi Sunni, which later helped the rise and filling the rabks of ISIS, by 2014 for example, Fallujah is a no go zone for Iraqi army.

here's a quote from 6:49


disbanding the majority Sunni Baathist Iraqi army send as many as 400.000 young men to the street without jobs or salary, in which the Jihadists make use of them. In fact if we saw the fall of Mosul in 2014, the commander of the successful Isis operation is a disbanded Iraqi army officer.

which he (the narrator) continue in 7:32


the disanded Iraqi army are replaced with a Shiite army which only gave rise to Isis popularity during the Iraqi insurgency.
This sectarian government and army (that the US put in place of the Baathists) further help Isis popularity in Iraq in 2014 after a deadly crackdown.

2012–2013 Iraqi protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seeing it from a historical perspective , it's kinda strange that the US suddenly funded Isis to wreck havoc in the Middle East consider that Isis is already there as early as the late 90s, when Abu Mus'ab Al Zarqawi a Jordanian extremists based it's camp there .

it just don't make any sense whatsoever when people said that the US is behind ISIS.
so looking it carefully, The US didn't fund or create ISIS like some low IQ members stated, rather US miscalculations helped ISIS rise. There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

also one of the most common alibi I saw is that the US is arming ISIS, this is simply not true because Iraq is already a failed country where arms are traded very easily in the black market as well as some corrupt Iraqi army officer.

Isis is also bolstered when the Syrian war started where they gained so much arms and weapons from the incompetent Syrian Arab Army, so much so that Oryxspioenkop had a while series of articles about this:


Islamic State captures Ayyash weapons depots in largest arms haul of Syrian Civil War

Islamic State captures Brigade 93 in largest heavy-arms haul of Syrian Civil War


Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State

Islamic State captures masses of Iranian-supplied weaponry near Khanasir

Islamic State captures large numbers of radars and missiles at Tadmur (Palmyra) airbase

this arms in turn helped Isis to regenerate power after it had been defeated by the US led Iraqi awakening movement in 2009, in which they use the equipment captured in Syria to surprise and rout the Iraqi army, in the process they also gained thousand of abandoned Iraqi military equipment . Here's one example

Iraq lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles in Mosul: PM


SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb.

American did all this on purpose they exploit these kind of sectrrian issues from the very begging.
Have some shame to call them Innocent mistakes they did it on purpose.
They invadad the whole country demolish it to rubble killed thousand and make million worthless .
We lied ,we cheated and we are the that can be trusted on any thing.
Human crisis is what the american do it best.

 

[That Guy]

On topic: pretty much.

On a side note: I've found that half of the people base their entire opinion on headlines, and the other half base their opinion on that fact that the article is critical of the US, and anything that criticizes the US is treated as the truth.

Only a scant few actually care about having an honest good-faith debate.

If a lie makes a person feel the way the liar wants them to, the person being lied to will ignore the truth. This is how propaganda works. This is how extremists and fascists recruit the most vulnerable people to their cause, from the poor to the disenfranchised, to the kids just wanting to fit in.

 

[striver44]

American did all this on purpose they exploit these kind of sectrrian issues from the very begging.

dude, The Americans were themselves surprised by the sectarian nature of the Iraqi military.

here the US army scold iraqi police, telling them the ugly truth about so called Iraqi security forces.
minute 0:23

Raise your hand if you're in the Mahdi militia (shite militia)?

minute 0:34

which one of you is more loyal to the militia than to your country??

minute 0:53

You know what makes me pissed off??? I came here to train you, and (in return) you try to fucking kill American, you try to kill your fucking fellow Iraqi (Sunni)

minute 2:21

are you loyal to Iraq or the Shia??

===============

They invadad the whole country demolish it to rubble killed thousand and make million worthless .
We lied ,we cheated and we are the that can be trusted on any thing.
Human crisis is what the american do it best.

Lmao, the US invasion of Iraq is relatively clean, compare that to Assad barrel bombing of Damascus, Aleppo, Idlib etc.

 

[fitpOsitive]

So recently one member @jupiter2007 shared me a video which he claims to be a proof that the US is behind ISIS.

People's like this usually reads the title and goes snapping to the conclusion without seeing what's the slightest content is all about.

here's a summary of that video:

The USA helped create Isis in a sense that after the US invasion, a chaos ensues in the form of sectarian warfare between the Sunni and Shiite. this is a rsult of the US disbanding the Iraqi army after OIF 2003.

watch from 3:39, here's a quote

Another US mistake is during OIF, there are images of US soldiers abusing muslims which gave rise to discontent among Iraqi populations where they eventually turn to radicalism for revenge.
from 4:50



when the US topples Saddam, they put in his place a Shiite named Noori Al Maliki as PM of Iraq

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noori Al Maliki is a known sectarian which uses Iraqi state apparatus to advanced shiite agenda in Iraq.

This resulted in discontent among Iraqi Sunni, which later helped the rise and filling the rabks of ISIS, by 2014 for example, Fallujah is a no go zone for Iraqi army.

here's a quote from 6:49


disbanding the majority Sunni Baathist Iraqi army send as many as 400.000 young men to the street without jobs or salary, in which the Jihadists make use of them. In fact if we saw the fall of Mosul in 2014, the commander of the successful Isis operation is a disbanded Iraqi army officer.

which he (the narrator) continue in 7:32


the disanded Iraqi army are replaced with a Shiite army which only gave rise to Isis popularity during the Iraqi insurgency.
This sectarian government and army (that the US put in place of the Baathists) further help Isis popularity in Iraq in 2014 after a deadly crackdown.

2012–2013 Iraqi protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seeing it from a historical perspective , it's kinda strange that the US suddenly funded Isis to wreck havoc in the Middle East consider that Isis is already there as early as the late 90s, when Abu Mus'ab Al Zarqawi a Jordanian extremists based it's camp there .

it just don't make any sense whatsoever when people said that the US is behind ISIS.
so looking it carefully, The US didn't fund or create ISIS like some low IQ members stated, rather US miscalculations helped ISIS rise. There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

also one of the most common alibi I saw is that the US is arming ISIS, this is simply not true because Iraq is already a failed country where arms are traded very easily in the black market as well as some corrupt Iraqi army officer.

Isis is also bolstered when the Syrian war started where they gained so much arms and weapons from the incompetent Syrian Arab Army, so much so that Oryxspioenkop had a while series of articles about this:


Islamic State captures Ayyash weapons depots in largest arms haul of Syrian Civil War

Islamic State captures Brigade 93 in largest heavy-arms haul of Syrian Civil War


Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State

Islamic State captures masses of Iranian-supplied weaponry near Khanasir

Islamic State captures large numbers of radars and missiles at Tadmur (Palmyra) airbase

this arms in turn helped Isis to regenerate power after it had been defeated by the US led Iraqi awakening movement in 2009, in which they use the equipment captured in Syria to surprise and rout the Iraqi army, in the process they also gained thousand of abandoned Iraqi military equipment . Here's one example

Iraq lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles in Mosul: PM


SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb.

They do. 100%.

 

[striver44]

They do. 100%.

that's it, that's all the opinion and proof you'll ever gave me. lmao

 

[fitpOsitive]

that's it, that's all the opinion and proof you'll ever gave me. lmao

Bro, we have captured in tribal areas of Pakistan , following type of people:
1) Israeli soldiers
2) American contractors
3) Cia operatives
4) Indian agents, even their serving military officers + intelligence officers.
5) mercenaries who were just shipped from Syria to Afghanistan by USA airforce.
6) UAE backed insuragents
7) Even agents of those countries who claim to be our friends.

Trust me, we know, I know way more than what is mentioned in OP. It's just we don't want to reveal it.

 

[striver44]

Bro, we have captured in tribal areas of Pakistan , following type of people:
1) Israeli soldiers
2) American contractors
3) Cia operatives
4) Indian agents, even their serving military officers + intelligence officers.
5) mercenaries who were just shipped from Syria to Afghanistan by USA airforce.
6) UAE backed insuragents
7) Even agents of those countries who claim to be our friends.

Trust me, we know, I know way more than what is mentioned in OP. It's just we don't want to reveal it.

none of that proves that the US is behind ISIS.

give me a logical reasoning as well as proof. not some rumors.
on the other hand I'm challenging @jupiter2007 as well as the mods who let this kind of fake news and misinformation happens to give a solid proof.

this is the most illogical narrative I've ever heard for the last 5 years.

That one time I challenged that the TTP is not made in India , I got banned.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

So recently one member @jupiter2007 shared me a video which he claims to be a proof that the US is behind ISIS.

People's like this usually reads the title and goes snapping to the conclusion without seeing what's the slightest content is all about.

here's a summary of that video:

The USA helped create Isis in a sense that after the US invasion, a chaos ensues in the form of sectarian warfare between the Sunni and Shiite. this is a rsult of the US disbanding the Iraqi army after OIF 2003.

watch from 3:39, here's a quote

Another US mistake is during OIF, there are images of US soldiers abusing muslims which gave rise to discontent among Iraqi populations where they eventually turn to radicalism for revenge.
from 4:50



when the US topples Saddam, they put in his place a Shiite named Noori Al Maliki as PM of Iraq

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noori Al Maliki is a known sectarian which uses Iraqi state apparatus to advanced shiite agenda in Iraq.

This resulted in discontent among Iraqi Sunni, which later helped the rise and filling the rabks of ISIS, by 2014 for example, Fallujah is a no go zone for Iraqi army.

here's a quote from 6:49


disbanding the majority Sunni Baathist Iraqi army send as many as 400.000 young men to the street without jobs or salary, in which the Jihadists make use of them. In fact if we saw the fall of Mosul in 2014, the commander of the successful Isis operation is a disbanded Iraqi army officer.

which he (the narrator) continue in 7:32


the disanded Iraqi army are replaced with a Shiite army which only gave rise to Isis popularity during the Iraqi insurgency.
This sectarian government and army (that the US put in place of the Baathists) further help Isis popularity in Iraq in 2014 after a deadly crackdown.

2012–2013 Iraqi protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seeing it from a historical perspective , it's kinda strange that the US suddenly funded Isis to wreck havoc in the Middle East consider that Isis is already there as early as the late 90s, when Abu Mus'ab Al Zarqawi a Jordanian extremists based it's camp there .

it just don't make any sense whatsoever when people said that the US is behind ISIS.
so looking it carefully, The US didn't fund or create ISIS like some low IQ members stated, rather US miscalculations helped ISIS rise. There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

also one of the most common alibi I saw is that the US is arming ISIS, this is simply not true because Iraq is already a failed country where arms are traded very easily in the black market as well as some corrupt Iraqi army officer.

Isis is also bolstered when the Syrian war started where they gained so much arms and weapons from the incompetent Syrian Arab Army, so much so that Oryxspioenkop had a while series of articles about this:


Islamic State captures Ayyash weapons depots in largest arms haul of Syrian Civil War

Islamic State captures Brigade 93 in largest heavy-arms haul of Syrian Civil War


Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State

Islamic State captures masses of Iranian-supplied weaponry near Khanasir

Islamic State captures large numbers of radars and missiles at Tadmur (Palmyra) airbase

this arms in turn helped Isis to regenerate power after it had been defeated by the US led Iraqi awakening movement in 2009, in which they use the equipment captured in Syria to surprise and rout the Iraqi army, in the process they also gained thousand of abandoned Iraqi military equipment . Here's one example

Iraq lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles in Mosul: PM


SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb.

Mate America f*cked up the region from start

Attacked Iraq to play down American presidents affair and because of other silly reasons

Left Iraq unattended and in hands of the "minority"

Allegedly Helped in creation of Isis itself and Snowden allegedly leaked proof of Mossad training Baghdadi

Taliban have also blamed US of giving chopper ferries to ISIS from Iraq to Afghanistan

Leave all that alone US destroying Iraq in first place was f*cked up in itself under false claim of Iraq having WMDs

 

[striver44]

Mate America f*cked up the region from start

Attacked Iraq to play down American presidents affair and because of other silly reasons

Left Iraq unattended and in hands of the "minority"

Allegedly Helped in creation of Isis itself and Snowden allegedly leaked proof of Mossad training Baghdadi

Leave all that alone US destroying Iraq in first place was f*cked up in itself

I'm asking for simple proof, where is it ??

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

That one time I challenged that the TTP is not made in India , I got banned.

TTP is backed by india and NDS same way as Balochi groups

 

[striver44]

Mate America f*cked up the region from start
Allegedly Helped in creation of Isis itself and Snowden allegedly leaked proof of Mossad training Baghdadi

This is fake news in which Snowden lawyer, Glen Greenwald has denied.

The bizarre claim that NSA documents released by Edward Snowden “prove” the US and Israel are behind al-Baghdadi’s actions has gone viral.
There’s only one problem. “It’s utter BS,” Glenn Greenwald, the investigative journalist who helped break the NSA story, told me. “Snowden never said anything like that and no [NSA] documents suggest it.” Snowden’s lawyer, Ben Wizner, has called the story a hoax.

Inside jobs and Israeli stooges: why is the Muslim world in thrall to conspiracy theories?

The “We’ve been lied to” argument goes only so far. Scepticism may be evidence of a healthy and independent mindset; but conspiracism is a virus that feeds off insecurity and bitterness.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

I'm asking for simple proof, where is it ??

Ok lemme simply as you

Did US not invade iraq on pretext of WMDs and to bring democracy in Iraq ? Both turned out to be lie isnt it ?

Clinton played up Iraq situation to hide his scandal didn't he ?

Did America not put a minority group who wasnt liked by people into power creating a civil war so much democracy innit ?

And I have found Snowden bit being played as fake news but Taliban as well as Russia alleged chopper help to ISIS in Afghanistan but whatever the otherside says is always conspiracy and info warfare

At the end of the day you cant potray america to be a saint but in reality Americans have done as much damage to Iraq as any other party involved if not more

 

[obj 705A]

Did your handlers this time order you to forget about China just for a little bit & told you to comment about Syria? What's next may be they will tell you to become a Ukraine expert LOL.

There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

Yeah we know their origin was in Iraq but it was in Syria where they built themselves up before invading Mosul.

America: "Oops sry we have been openly & unwillingly smuggling weapons to jihadis the past several years in Syria and now there is a huge powerful jihadi army..I wonder how that happened".

SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb

Here this is what real propaganda looks like:

CIA actors making fake rescue videos, only this time they forgot to delete the first part of it were they are getting ready to start acting before the prerecorded soundtrack of people screaming kicks in.

Or how about this one:

"Hey let me take a whiff of this chemical weapon".

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

So recently one member @jupiter2007 shared me a video which he claims to be a proof that the US is behind ISIS.

People's like this usually reads the title and goes snapping to the conclusion without seeing what's the slightest content is all about.

here's a summary of that video:

The USA helped create Isis in a sense that after the US invasion, a chaos ensues in the form of sectarian warfare between the Sunni and Shiite. this is a rsult of the US disbanding the Iraqi army after OIF 2003.

watch from 3:39, here's a quote

Another US mistake is during OIF, there are images of US soldiers abusing muslims which gave rise to discontent among Iraqi populations where they eventually turn to radicalism for revenge.
from 4:50



when the US topples Saddam, they put in his place a Shiite named Noori Al Maliki as PM of Iraq

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noori Al Maliki is a known sectarian which uses Iraqi state apparatus to advanced shiite agenda in Iraq.

This resulted in discontent among Iraqi Sunni, which later helped the rise and filling the rabks of ISIS, by 2014 for example, Fallujah is a no go zone for Iraqi army.

here's a quote from 6:49


disbanding the majority Sunni Baathist Iraqi army send as many as 400.000 young men to the street without jobs or salary, in which the Jihadists make use of them. In fact if we saw the fall of Mosul in 2014, the commander of the successful Isis operation is a disbanded Iraqi army officer.

which he (the narrator) continue in 7:32


the disanded Iraqi army are replaced with a Shiite army which only gave rise to Isis popularity during the Iraqi insurgency.
This sectarian government and army (that the US put in place of the Baathists) further help Isis popularity in Iraq in 2014 after a deadly crackdown.

2012–2013 Iraqi protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seeing it from a historical perspective , it's kinda strange that the US suddenly funded Isis to wreck havoc in the Middle East consider that Isis is already there as early as the late 90s, when Abu Mus'ab Al Zarqawi a Jordanian extremists based it's camp there .

it just don't make any sense whatsoever when people said that the US is behind ISIS.
so looking it carefully, The US didn't fund or create ISIS like some low IQ members stated, rather US miscalculations helped ISIS rise. There's a BIG difference between (unwillingly) enabling ISIS rise and actually funding and arming it.

also one of the most common alibi I saw is that the US is arming ISIS, this is simply not true because Iraq is already a failed country where arms are traded very easily in the black market as well as some corrupt Iraqi army officer.

Isis is also bolstered when the Syrian war started where they gained so much arms and weapons from the incompetent Syrian Arab Army, so much so that Oryxspioenkop had a while series of articles about this:


Islamic State captures Ayyash weapons depots in largest arms haul of Syrian Civil War

Islamic State captures Brigade 93 in largest heavy-arms haul of Syrian Civil War


Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State

Islamic State captures masses of Iranian-supplied weaponry near Khanasir

Islamic State captures large numbers of radars and missiles at Tadmur (Palmyra) airbase

this arms in turn helped Isis to regenerate power after it had been defeated by the US led Iraqi awakening movement in 2009, in which they use the equipment captured in Syria to surprise and rout the Iraqi army, in the process they also gained thousand of abandoned Iraqi military equipment . Here's one example

Iraq lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles in Mosul: PM


SO the only explanation is, people that believe such propaganda (usually by Iran and Russia) are dumb.

good write up