Did the FO just announce Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism?

[Abingdonboy]

@janon

As long as they offer us utility of waging unconventional war against Indian sponsered terror from Afghanistan, they get to remain relevent.

At least you admit it.

This policy is seriously flawed though and the question of is it worth it will be asked by future generations of Pakistanis but right now it seems it is a policy that sees Pakistan in flames and labelled as a terrorist nation but with little tangible gains on a strategic level against India (in fact rather the opposite as India is doing a pretty decent job of isolating Pakistan on the global stage because of the existence of such "assets").

Some of Indian members need to see this..
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It's irrelevant really. More than likely incompetence on the spokesperson's part.

 

[wolfschanzze]

@janon

We will try HS when you try the terrorists who carried out Samjhota blasts in 07.

Meh, atleast they are in Jail awaiting trial and court case, did you even bother to arrest or put them in Jail?

Listen don't expect any ounce from us unless you are willing to give 10 grams as leverage!
If not it is good we stay as we are and stop this "PEACE" Bullshit!
You side with China an Atheist/Communist nation.
Well There are many ways and Solutions

 

[Chanakyaa]

They have. Remember Ilyas Kashmiri? He was once commended by Musharaf for bringing the severed head of an Indian soldier from Kashmir. He later turned against the state, tried to assassinate Mushy, and ended up as drone food.



True. Today Indian Kashmir is more stable and peaceful than any part of Pakistan. What does that tell you?



Indian Kashmir is already seeing peace, despite Pak's best attempt to make it non peaceful. BTW you just admitted Pakistan's role and vested interest in making Kashmir violent and troubled. So much for your concern for Kashmiris. They mean nothing to you, your geopolitical ambition to steal Kashmir from India is all that matters, and for that you would try your best to keep Kashmir violent and unstable. Anyway the heroic Indian armed forces have learnt to frustrate your knavish designs, and brought peace to Kashmir, by forming a world class CI force and a world class border management to keep foreign jihadis out.



More threats. You may try. Don't forget that there are "petty criminals" in Pak as well. You might end up once again falling in the trap you laid for us. Anyway, let me know after you crash the stock market - as of now, it is moving only in one direction. Do, don't threaten.



Your "support for Kashmir cause" is nothing but a fig leaf for your real ambition - to keep Kashmir destabilized and violent, to make Kashmiris scared and miserable, so that you can blame Indian rule. Well it hasn't worked. The best possible conclusion has already happened - we stabilized Kashmir, 12 million people are living peacefully there in a manner that most Pakistanis can only dream of, they are getting more and more integrated with the giant Indian economy every day, they are living with as many rights and freedoms as any other Indian, and then some more.

Sorry, but you are not capable of taking Kashmir from us by force, either conventionally, or unconventionally. Neither your uniformed army, nor your ununiformed ones can make it happen. To you it may have seemed like a brilliant plan to send terrorists without uniforms or laws, because your uniformed army did not dare to wage open war. But that brilliance was illusory - in a decade, India managed to put an end to sub conventional war as well. With the RR and LoC in place, Kashmir rahega hindustan.

If you have any concrete idea and plan about how you can take it from us, do share - and not just dropping fanciful one liners about crashing our stock market.

@SarthakGanguly @XiNiX

Why do you guys ( janon , SaB .. Storm ...) force me to wonder - How can i give 10x Ratings to this post ?
The FO statement sounds this to me : Der aye Durust Aye...

It seems Modi's CLEANING movement had great impact on our neighbors.. they have just taken the first micro step to "CLEAN" their own grown "DIRT"

 

[Fireurimagination]

Pakistan just doesn't learn, even after 1000s of civilians and soldiers dead, billions of dollars down the drain and drones making mockery of their sovereignty, they want to be the terrorist factory of the world. India should reply back in same coin and with arms and cannon fodder available easily in Pakistan, it would be piece of cake

 

[anant_s]

As long as they offer us utility of waging unconventional war

yes but what after that. This system will outlive its utility one day. in any case such a thing is dragging the resources and i'm sure who so ever funds it, will not be able to do it perpetually. some of the most bitter lessons learnt in Afghanistan in late 90s after Red army withdrew and the havoc created in form of a war between various Mujahideen factions, created a damage, AF will take, God knows how many decades.
You play with fire, at some point of time it will burn your own hands.

 

[bitter_truth]

I think the terrorists groups of pakistan have finally thought that their wives are waste and they should enjoy 72 virgins in jannat.. Poor brainwashed terrorists.
How can they get heaven while killing innocent people?

 

[Utkarsh]

There is nothing new or surprising about the pakistani FO announcement.

IT is along expected lines.

Did anyone expect pakistan to roll over and play dead ? Hopefully US and India can bring out a tremendous amount of pressure on pakistan to make them bend to our will.

They may not like it, but they are not expected to. But the good new is they can continue talking with the Huriyat.

 

[Kinetic]

I agree with her. Sometimes truth comes out.

 

[IPL5]

@janon

Thats a self serving argument. None of the Kashmiri organizations have fought against Pakistan. Our 'mess' has everything to do with Afghanistan wars than with Indian held Kashmir.

Histroy has proven that military occupations don't bring stability and peace. Until,Kashmir sees peace India would remain unstable, cynical and at a knife's edge. We can use pettey criminals to crash your stock markets and to hold world's second largest Army looking at each other's faces.

Our support for Kashmir cause shall continue till it sees its logical end.

This is precisely what we called terrorism.

you will never shun your state sponsored terrorism even after they paid you back heavily. cycle will keep on repeating.

 

[ROCKING]

Pakistan is willing to put its future at stake for a measly land, maniacs!

Indians can eat a dick.

You should be upgraded to think tank.

 

[Dash]

Pakistan should learn dimplomacy from Indian diplomats

 

[IPL5]

Price of inaction
PAKISTAN’S drift towards international isolation is only matched by the state’s denial of this truth.

On Wednesday, the joint US-India statement issued at the end of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Washington D.C. contained direct language seemingly focused on Pakistan.

It is worth reproducing the relevant part of the text: “The [US and Indian] leaders stressed the need for joint and concerted efforts, including the dismantling of safe havens for terrorist and criminal networks, to disrupt all financial and tactical support for networks such as Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, the D-Company and the Haqqanis. They reiterated their call for Pakistan to bring the perpetrators of the November 2008 terrorist attack in Mumbai to justice.”

On the same day, the US Treasury department announced sanctions against three Pakistanis, including Fazlur Rehman Khalil, and two Pakistan-based entities for links to the LeT and Harkatul Mujahideen, the foremost of the Kashmir-orientated militant groups in the country. Certainly India has its own reasons for trying to build an anti-Pakistan alliance, but our refusal to address militancy concerns has created more space for Delhi’s anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

Take the official reaction by the Foreign Office yesterday in which the FO spokesperson focused on a UN terrorist watchlist and denied that the US move is “binding” on Pakistan.

Therein lies the problem: while Pakistan continues to baulk at acting against certain militant groups, the countries under threat from those organisations are moving closer to each other in order to counter the threat.

Consider that the joint US-India statement also refers to “dismantling” terrorist safe havens: is that an ominous sign that however remote the possibility at the moment, the US and India have begun contemplating the possibility of targeted counterterrorist operations on Pakistani soil at some point in the future?

Surely, that would be nothing short of a catastrophe for Pakistan with unknowable consequences for peace and security in the region. Yet, the country’s national security and foreign policy apparatus remains indifferent to or unaware of the storm that appears to be brewing.

In truth, many of Pakistan’s problems are self-inflicted. The best that has ever been managed when it comes to pro-Kashmir militant groups is to put the state’s sponsorship of jihad in cold storage, as was done by Musharraf in the early part of the last decade. But, a decade on, the security establishment seems bent on continuing the policy of politically mainstreaming the leadership of groups such as the LeT, HuM and now even the Punjabi Taliban.

That is what allows Hafiz Saeed and Fazlur Rehman Khalil to address rallies, appear routinely on TV and to go on organising their ranks and developing their organisations with a brazenness and confidence that has the rest of the world looking on with alarm. Truly, the outside world can legitimately ask why the Mumbai-related Rawalpindi trials are stuck in limbo. The signals from D.C. are clear: if Pakistan doesn’t act, others will.

Published in Dawn, October 3rd, 2014

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[IPL5]

Sound byte: ‘US sanctions on Pak-based terror groups a boon for India’s stance’
During Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recent visit to the United States, New Delhi and Washington D.C. have agreed to work together to dismantle terrorist outfits such as Al Qaeda, Lashkar-i-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-i-Muhammad and the Haqqani Network, most of whom are based in Pakistan.

Also read: US, India vow to dismantle LeT, Al Qaeda

The US Treasury Department has also slapped sanctions on the LeT and Harkatul Mujahideen (HuM) and froze the assets of their leaders. To understand the political and real-world consequences of these actions, Dawn spoke to Ahmer Bilal Soofi, an expert in international law.

What political consequences does this announcement entail?

Both LeT and HuM had already been declared terrorist organisations by the United Nations Security Council through Resolution 1267 and, therefore, this particular announcement will help the Indians effectively highlight their stance over the disputed territory of Kashmir. After the UN sanctions, cross-border infiltration has been reduced drastically and such an announcement at this particular time would also help the Indians to effectively pursue their agenda on other forums as well.

Will this announcement get India international support for their cause?

Definitely, yes. The international community had raised concerns over human rights violations in Indian-held Kashmir, but after the UN resolution and the US sanctions on groups considered to be ‘terrorists’ by India, it seems that the international community is less interested in human rights violations and more concerned about terrorists’ networks.

At the same time, I think Pakistan failed to adequately project its case at the global level. Pakistan has been and is still fighting a war against terrorists; it had arrested those accused of the Mumbai attacks accused and submitted their challan in an anti terrorism court. A state can only bring the accused to court; it is up to the judiciary to decide the matter and the Pakistani government has to convince the international community on this front as well.

What does this mean for individuals associated with the LeT?

Under US law, any person involved in financing an organisation declared a terrorist organisation by the Treasury Department may be prosecuted individually. But for this the said department needs to define the scope of the sanctions.

— Text by Malik Asad

Published in Dawn, October 3rd, 2014

 

[TheMatador]

Pakistan stands up to USA bullying!

 

[Utkarsh]

Pakistan stands up to USA bullying!

LOL. That will be a first.