Did Iran Inadvertently Sacrifice Chabahar For The Sake Of Afghan Border Security?

[Taimoor Khan]

Well,for a start I`m not iranian.In fact I`m about as western as you can get based on nationality,ethnicity and [nominal] religion.
Its funny,but if the threat of some iranian based indian aligned anti pak terrorists was real then you would think that at the very least pakistan would have built and heavily fortified its section of the border wall years ago instead of only just getting started.Not only that but that it would`ve also made strenuous efforts to destroy or neutralize anti iranian terror groups based in pakistan and launching cross border attacks so as to remove any justification of a quid-pro-quo style excuse by iran.
The fact that pakistan has as yet failed to do so on either count does tend to raise the point of whether pakistan is either unwilling or simply perhaps unable to do these things.One certainly gets the feeling that iranian pakistan border security was traditionally a very low priority for pakistan which is kind of funny if theres the sort of threat that you seem to imply,then again perhaps unlike you they dont see the invisible black hand of india everywhere.
Security is a two way street my friend,if you`re not going to do your part and help to provide security to your neighbor then your neighbor is under no obligation to take your security interests into account in the least.In addition security is a bit like the old cliche about freedom,ie freedom aint free,so if you`re not prepared to spend the money on it then you really shouldnt bitch and moan,now should you?
So before you start getting so idiotically self righteous in your indignation you should perhaps stop and realise that iran also has its legitimate security concerns and so far has done far,far more for border security than pakistan.So maybe when you guys have done at least as much,maybe then you might have the right to bitch and moan,otherwise it just sounds really pathetic....not to mention paranoid.

Before I dissect your diatribes, allow me to give you some background.

Pakistan-Iran border, historically has been at par with our border with China, peaceful without any issues. And course we will like to keep it that way considering the amount of our deployment towards Indian and Afghan border. Its a bloody 700 Km border with the most rugged terrain. With the numbers of our troops we got, its next to impossible to man all borders simultaneously. Its just the fked up neighbour we live in!

Its always been a combination of good gesture and geopolitical implications that our border with Iran has been the lest protected one. And unless you been living under the cave, its the Persians themselves who had issues with us raising fence along the border. They ear a lot of money throught the smuggling of their goods, oil in particular to Pakistan, a business in which their forces are directly involved. So if you hear the non sense from them about Pakistan no sealing its border from its side, call its a bullsh|t.

We have cooperated with them about their security issues and have handed over the Libbi brothers to them on platter, their most wanted ones. All we got in return is bloody Indian state terrorist Kulbahsan yadev poping up from their side and unabated Indian usage of their territory to spread terrorism in Pakistan.

You need to stop bitching about matter which you have no clue about. Pakistan got more post on Iranian border then these Persian turds got on their side. Iran got no issue but its own created one when it is brutalizing it sunni population in its side of Baluchistan/sistan province. Ofcoruse we are not expected neither we will bother to wipe Persian arses when they are shitting around all over the place due to their own screw ups and fked up policies.

 

[925boy]

Iran wants to be a regional power, I think they have the capacity, but they don't have any nukes.

Well, if we are being sober and honest, Iran is almost there already, without the nukes. US wont deploy ground troops to confront Iranian in the Middle East, thats the bottom line, and no other play is able to do it, so be default Iran is already the top dog in the ME. THe naval incident recently shows Iran still has issues in operating its forces, sometimes.

It is after all in their best interest to undermine its neighbours whom she views as a threat.

Stronger countries all do it, so you're only mad at Iran because Iran does it more effectively? US, Pakistan, China, etc are all interfering in foreign countries so why call Iran out only?

Iran doesn't really care about Pakistanis or Afghans,
Do Pakistanis or Afghans care about Iranians? lets use objective standards, not one sided logic to understand these countries true intentions and behaviors.

but uses the Shia ideologue to further its objectives, hence the Zainebyoun and Fatimyoun fighters,

BUt what about when Iran switches it up and works iwth the Taliban to help them mount effective attacks against NATO? You all can say what you want, but Taliban has a headquarters in Iran, so Iran can help Sunni brothers too, but the objectives and methods must align, other countries do this, even Pakistan, Turkey too in SYria now so once again, why is everyone on this thread attacking Iran when they are really hypocrites who do the same?

they took advantage of the opportunities presented to them and have achieved their full potential due to Shiaism,

oversimplification- Iran is not just a religion, Iran is a cause and a movement, combined with gifts in human resources, natural resources, etc. Iran is also very technical. DOnt forget Khomeini was into Islam AND Science. Dont you see Iran is ow exporting COVID kits to EU? Please bro.

Our chance is coming...

Just remember that Pakistan is the one that is most able and likely to endanger that. I suspect Iran will defacto annex western Afghanistan, especially if Afghanistan proves it cant hold itself together in this century.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan is by far the most honest user on here, but why do you take offence when he speaks upon the best interest of his nation?

Bro, at the end of the day, i mostly judge people by 1) the comments they make and 2) the intent and logic BEHIND the comments. I read this guy's posts, they are often interesting, sometimes he gets issues really spot on, but recently, i notice a good amount of his comments are either generalizations, or switching the context to make certain group look bad. I already know he hates Iran. You can smell it in his comments, but fair, he doesnt have to love Iran, but i just call it out sometimes, and as you can see, they deleted my most, so dont you see they're trying to censor the truth?? If i actually attacked him i would've gotten a suspension or ban right? I just go look at his posts that i referred to and judge for yourself. Remember he says he and Pakistanis are very nice, but he doesnt eeven show me respect which i have shown him multiple times, so i know he is a spiteful person.

I for one whenever reading your posts get the idea of a hard-line realist.

Accurate. I'm a realist.

You probably understand Hans Morgenthau's principle of power... "Nations pursue their interests in the form of power",

No actually...lool...I'll check it out. thanks.

you have defended Iran numerous times for encroaching and crossing that line and argue on their behalf,

Well, i feel i'm just being fair, HONESTLY. Most countries that criticize Iran have WORSE records , and if you dont believe this, lets PM and start getting a list of atrocities and crimes, trust me, Iran will not top them!

n terms of power you made sense, but in terms of morality you did not.

Ok, morally, lemme say this- Iran is no saint. Whatever Iran did that is consensually accepted as wrong, is wrong in my book. Iran border guards drowning those Afghans was wrong and bad in my eyes. Also, what do you consider moral? What moral standard are you comparing Iran to? I call bad bad, but true, i might not shout it out loud.

Iran is not this innocent nation you project it to be, whatever your inclinations towards it,

WHen did i say Iran is innocent? Actually i believe Iran has an very different, pathological mindset. Its as brilliant as its crazy as its determined. I just dislike and fight back on PDF aginst people who take cheap shots at Iran, who use all sorts of lame and weak and unethical excuses to attack Iran, for things their country doesnt even do much better than Iran.

you understand that we will pursue our interests in the same manner Iran is.

Game has already been going on bro. Dont whine like some of these Pakistanis on this forum. Game

And as far as Pakistanis frustration towards Afghans, I sympathize with them to an extent, especially when we claim a large chunk of their land,

but you flooded iran with 3million refugees that Iran needs to help up to UN standards, drugs coming itno Iran from Afghanistan(CIA or/and US military supported this also sometimes) yet Iran has n reason to e resentful? You seem biased too bro. Pakistan has helped the Taliban and other groups so much, they tore Afghanistan apart. YOu think NATO was fighting ghost soldiers? NO, they were fighting tons of ISI- trained, directed, healed, fighters who are Afghan but living in and being sheltered in Pakistan. . Just remember in this day and age there are NO SAINTs!

 

[H. Dawary]

I have reported him for breaking forum rules. He is discussing me as a member, without discussing the issue at hand.

Also, he lies about my statement. I said that I am glad Libya has no Shias, so there is no chance for a sectarian war there, which would only add to more trouble for Libya.

Of course bro, I don't believe in accusations against you.

Well, if we are being sober and honest, Iran is almost there already, without the nukes. US wont deploy ground troops to confront Iranian in the Middle East, thats the bottom line, and no other play is able to do it, so be default Iran is already the top dog in the ME. THe naval incident recently shows Iran still has issues in operating its forces, sometimes.

Stronger countries all do it, so you're only mad at Iran because Iran does it more effectively? US, Pakistan, China, etc are all interfering in foreign countries so why call Iran out only?

You are right, Iran is almost there... Going Nuclear would complete them and they could go with their Shia designs without impunity.

If we are talking about power, then yes I don't disagree with you... But lets step aside from that and look at it from a different perspective. What is Iran's beef with us? Especially when we've never had one with them to begin with, we've never started a single conflict with them, at least in the past century until the 90s? Thus far they are the one making incursions by supporting Shia militants and using the citizens of both nations for their own purposes with dubious intentions. Don't you think this is a sectarian conflict in the making?

Their support just boils the flames of Sectarianism within this region which is already unstable and only knows war, and forces us from putting any Shia in positions of power for fear of them falling under Iranian influence, and those same Shias due to their history would then count on Iran and can't hope for the country of their birth to provide them with assistance which would further marginalise them... The end result would be conflict, and next thing you know brother is against brother, friend against friend, all because this one here is Shia and that one there is Sunni just so a nation could further their designs.

 

[Sineva]

Before I dissect your diatribes, allow me to give you some background.

Pakistan-Iran border, historically has been at par with our border with China, peaceful without any issues. And course we will like to keep it that way considering the amount of our deployment towards Indian and Afghan border. Its a bloody 700 Km border with the most rugged terrain. With the numbers of our troops we got, its next to impossible to man all borders simultaneously. Its just the fked up neighbour we live in!

Its always been a combination of good gesture and geopolitical implications that our border with Iran has been the lest protected one. And unless you been living under the cave, its the Persians themselves who had issues with us raising fence along the border. They ear a lot of money throught the smuggling of their goods, oil in particular to Pakistan, a business in which their forces are directly involved. So if you hear the non sense from them about Pakistan no sealing its border from its side, call its a bullsh|t.

We have cooperated with them about their security issues and have handed over the Libbi brothers to them on platter, their most wanted ones. All we got in return is bloody Indian state terrorist Kulbahsan yadev poping up from their side and unabated Indian usage of their territory to spread terrorism in Pakistan.

You need to stop bitching about matter which you have no clue about. Pakistan got more post on Iranian border then these Persian turds got on their side. Iran got no issue but its own created one when it is brutalizing it sunni population in its side of Baluchistan/sistan province. Ofcoruse we are not expected neither we will bother to wipe Persian arses when they are shitting around all over the place due to their own screw ups and fked up policies.

unabated Indian usage of their territory to spread terrorism in Pakistan

You really do believe that totally deluded bullsh!t,dont you?

Iran got no issue but its own created one when it is brutalizing it sunni population in its side of Baluchistan/sistan province. Ofcoruse we are not expected neither we will bother to wipe Persian arses when they are shitting around all over the place due to their own screw ups and fked up policies.

And naturally here comes the equally deluded sectarian bullsh~t as well.I mean if you`re going to throw in one then you might as well throw in the other as well,right?

You know what really cracks me up?,despite the very real threat of us,israeli and saudi/gcc backed terrorism against iran,you dont see anything like the sort of rabid paranoia that you see from some of the pakistani posters here.
Iran to its credit has always tried to be neutral in its dealings with both nations and to have cordial relations with both while avoiding being caught up in their disputes.Now how much longer this can continue for is anyones guess considering that both india and pakistan are now firmly us vassal regimes and even worse in indias case not just a us vassal but a us vassal run by anti muslim hindu fascists,these facts alone makes the sort of paranoid sh~t you`re suggesting ludicrous,but hey....dont let that stop you,as I`m sure by now that you`re so used to seeing indians hiding behind every lamppost or under your bed or in your closet.....or even in your morning cup of coffee that its just second nature to you.
Lastly,security is like everything else in this world,you get back what you put in.....,and if you put in jack sh~t,well.....thats what you`ll get back.
PS
It wasnt oil that was smuggled it was petrol,cheap subsidized iranian petrol and this was run via criminal gangs on BOTH sides of the border.
The whole point of building fences and patrolling the border is that it forces people to only use the handful of official crossing points where they can be checked by BOTH nations security forces,pretty good idea eh?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

even worse in indias case not just a us vassal but a us vassal run by anti muslim hindu fascists,

I am glad that it seems you have understood exactly about the beast which we have kept from leaking out of India. Pakistan stands practically alone against the designs of these Hindutva cadres.

Iranian leadership should reprioritize their relationship with this Indian Islamophobic regime. These petty politics by Iran are distracting us from. The bigger issue going on in South Asia.

I don't view KSA as helpful to the region either, although they have been in the past to Pakistan personally. It is a new world order now and KSA is burying itself to prop up the US. Their warcrimes in Yemen also warrant mention.

However Iran is not blameless, much evil has been done by your government as well in Iraq, Syria, Balochistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

We can create a unified front against the West and its dogs like Israel and India, but the sectarian fanaticism needs to be put away. Sunni and Shia unity is a far better policy for strengthening our Ummat.

US is just as anti-Turkey, anti-Pakistan, as it is anti-Iran. We face the same kind of economic warfare by the West, so we should try to mend ties and become unified.

It is not going to happen when BLF is getting treated in Iranian hospitals or Indian terrorists like Kulbushan Yadav are working from Iranian territory.

 

[Aspen]

Ultimately, both Iran and Pakistan must collaborate together to improve their respective Baluchistan region. Increase security, root out any foreign meddling, increase the economy and development of that region. Only through these developments can we overcome the challenges. As far as Chahbahar and Gwadar are concerned, I think these two ports will notice their potentials better if we link them together.

Agree 100%

 

[Taimoor Khan]

You really do believe that totally deluded bullsh!t,dont you?

These are the facts son. Your ignorance is not my concern. Kulbi boy is the living proof of what you just denied. Pathetic!

And naturally here comes the equally deluded sectarian bullsh~t as well.I mean if you`re going to throw in one then you might as well throw in the other as well,right?

LOL, seriously I feel like I am talking to a 18 year old! Do you have any clue where Iran's Baluchistan/Sistan province is, its population composition and the issues there?

You know what really cracks me up?,despite the very real threat of us,israeli and saudi/gcc backed terrorism against iran,you dont see anything like the sort of rabid paranoia that you see from some of the pakistani posters here.

Threat to Iran from yanks and Zionists are overblown. Iran is a nuisance in Muslim world with the house of Saud on the opposite hand, always bickering and screwing the Muslim world from within. Why would the enemy of Islam wants to harm such agent of chaos from within? And ofcourse we in Pakistan have to be on our toes, after all we have been at the receiving end of cia/raw/mossad sponsored terrorism in Pakistan since the occupation of Afghanistan in the aftermath of 9/11, which btw was facilited by Iran. Your posterboy, now neutralised Qasim Sulemani was very much active with his CIA counterparts back then. Educate yourself mate, you are embarrassing yourself.

considering that both india and pakistan are now firmly us vassal regimes

Who are you? Putin's B team ?

This one really give me a good laugh. I cant say about India, but Pakistan is known to be a frenemy, Alley from Hell, and what not. While Iran is a loud mouth entity, its Pakistan which actually have done the unthinkable in Afghanistan by defeating the yanks there. You Perisan arselickers are such pathetic creatures, you lot don't even know what you are talking about.

It wasnt oil that was smuggled it was petrol,cheap subsidized iranian petrol and this was run via criminal gangs on BOTH sides of the border.
The whole point of building fences and patrolling the border is that it forces people to only use the handful of official crossing points where they can be checked by BOTH nations security forces,pretty good idea eh?

Run by criminal gangs, facilitate by IRGC. Which part of Pakistan maintaining more posts on Pak-Iran border and Iranian opposition to the erection of fence on Pakistani side, you did not understand?