Did 'absolutely right thing' in 2002, Narendra Modi says

[Aka123]

Neither do I. But Patel of Netaji cause Patel was more acceptable leader to majority than Netaji, who employed violence as tactics. This is one of the reasons I believe of Gandhi's success, he employed tactics which were acceptable to and employable by majority.

Probably..... but that's how I think.... u may think in different line! I don't have any say on that.

Opinions differ right!

 

[chauvunist]

Are you saying HINDUS ARE DOGS?
Your have some work to do at home? finish it first and come we can talk always when you finished your house chores.

Her choice of words is exactly mirror Image of what your beloved leader stated....Now it depends in which contexts you are taking it...

 

[TopCat]

@Aeronaut.... See the below pic, the person sitting with Mr Jinnah is Subhas Bose ...... the way Quaid E Azam is your hero... Netaji is our hero.... Not all but for Many Indians..............

Netaji and Sheikh Mujib thats the two guys who had balls in the history of Indian politics... Others were just mice...

 

[Kloitra]

In 1990s even 'coalition governments' was supposed to be a concept doomed to failure. That has been proven wrong. Why not 3rd front?

I shall clarify. What I am against is small regional parties in centre. Because their policies would be geared more to cater their small vote bank than entire nation. And I see third front as a collection of small parties based on regional/communal/caste based vote bank. From what is visible now, a two party system looks to be much cleaner than the current mess.

 

[Kloitra]

Probably..... but that's how I think.... u may think in different line! I don't have any say on that.

Opinions differ right!

Not so much, me personally - I would follow Netaji over Patel. But I dont see millions of Indians who were working hard to make ends meet follow him. They wanted something peaceful, something they would not find detestable, which I believe war was for them. I never questioned leadership of either, my doubts are on how many would accept their leadership.

 

[Aka123]

Netaji and Sheikh Mujib thats the two guys who had balls in the history of Indian politics... Others were just mice...

The way Sheikh Mujib fought for his country and for his people, demands respect... no doubt about that!

 

[wolfpack]

My message is equally clear. Please try you luck elsewhere. A singles bar with bald tattoed men with big pot bellies for example.

Faggot.

Dont get down to that Yap yap level bro,i was the one who called him fagg*t here first and he got me reported and banned l hypocrisy much! he can call everyone maggot etc. but wont expect anything in return and funny he never gets banned remniscent of congress party and how it runs.Some covert nexus of mods favour there They dont ban them NO NO NO how can they as they wont have anyone left to socialize in their Aman ki Aasha cocktail parties.
If Indian people made a web there won't be biased moderation.

See his camp and see the camp you support see the numbers they speak for themselves these old f*rts can talk as much as they can here but in real world they cant move a muscle or make any difference unless they got the pfinnger on nuke trigger.Look and judge for yourself who wants to be PRO NATION AND WHO WANTS TO BE ANTI NATION!
And the outrageous claim of That i'm also a hindu subversion at play just great just brought tears to me eyes.Some poster here wanted to make a Night club or bar in place HOLY for hindus for him i would say just try raising this word, please just try this topic forget media , i wonder why don't they talk about this in plaestine?.Just wait these yappers will be silenced in 2014.

My request to my brothers is work for this nation and forget these hypocrites,We should form a new web,and leave these sycohphants and their friends to pat their backs they will abandon and come running to us.Cos they have nothing to squirm or throw their tantrums at .The reason they talk against you is somehow by insulting "US" they become elite speakers for whole nation and get invited for talks these are all fake people.For them "‘Justice to all. Appeasement to none" means anti-national.(period)

 

[KS]

If he was, we wouldn't be here discussing it. He was anything but, talking as if he was talking about an unfortunate accident & not responsible in any way. As CM, he was responsible. He can use the excuse of inexperience but cannot shirk the responsibility.

We see what we want to see. To me he was more candid than ever in this interview.

And as a CM it was his responsibility to do everything given his constraints to contain the situation, which he claims he did. That is the most any person can do. If even after doing everything possible, the riots still couldnt be contained, how is that any fault of him ? He is not the wizard of oz to wave a wand and make the riots disappear.

I never get into this discussion(on whether the riots could be prevented etc..) because any opinion would be subjective. Remember however that the then PM publicly chided Modi. Privately, as has been recorded by Arun Shouries & others, Vajpayee was incensed & furious with Modi. Hardly something that would have happened if the PM didn't believe in a failure to govern at the state level.

Vajpayee had certain political compulsions as the leader of wobbly NDA and I wouldnt read too much into that. I respect Vajpayee ji but his personal opinions are not proof enough to induct Modi of anything.

 

[RangerPK]

Modi is a shrewd politician.He might have made the puppy comment deliberately to remind muslims what they are worth in his eyes.Unless an explaination comes from modi regarding tht statement we are forced to believe tht he wanted to annoy muslims who hate him to the core

The venom Hindus have for Muslims is no secret, even when they try to hide it, they are unable to. A man commits genocide of Muslims and they bring that man in to power with their vote bank. Also this forum is another example of the love Hindus have for Muslims. What goes on here is for all to see...

 

[KS]

Plenty. He was the CM, not some back seat passenger in a car driven by anyone else. That analogy is pathetic, to say the least & insensitive to boot. If you are unable to see the in sensitiveness in that comment, that would probably mean that you are unable to appreciate what that conveys. Modi was a CM who was publicly berated by the then PM for not doing enough. That is not something everyone has forgotten no matter what PR is put out now.

Your only point through and thorough is Vajpayee ji's criticism about Modi. You rest your entire case on that alone and I cannot take it seriously when you rest your own judgement on another man's. Sorry but that's how it is. Plus it may be that I am unable to see what it conveys OR, you are just reading too much into this and getting riled about nothing. He said one neednt be a CM to understand the sadness of lives lost, even as trivial as that of a puppy on road. But being a human being is enough to understand that. That is the crux/takeaway of that point. You are ignoring the main point and concentrating on the rest.

And the original reuters interviewee Shruti Gottipati herself tweeted that Modi's remarks were poorly contextualized by the media. (No kidding !)

The point is people who have their reservations about modi will see offensive about anything he says. That is how it works.

And in India, anybody can get offended by anything and this is Modi we are talking about.

Should have said the same in this interview instead of the rubbish he did.

Just because he didnt say what you wanted him to say doesnt make it rubbish. Regarding Modi, it is not possible to pacify all people at all times. That is who he is. He made his intentions clear when speaking with those directly affected by the riots and his actions after that reflect that. That should be more than enough for anybody who is actually concerned about the riots.

He might have convinced you, he didn't convince me. Remorse for an event as terrible as this, even when one is not directly culpable (but owes moral responsibility) is necessary for anyone aspiring to be a leader of all Indians, not just a part of the population.

No he doesnt owe any damn responsibility. His responsibility is to do everything he can subject to his own judgement as CM and availability of resources. That is what is expected of any CM. Why should he saddle himself with the guilt of something that he knows he is not responsible for ? Why do you people want to take him on a guilt-trip for a crime that you cant prove that he is responsible for ? He says he feels sad. Thats the most anyone can feel for something they are not responsible for.

Plus I'll say frankly man - I'm tired of this ****. People looking for 110% perfection in one man when the rest of the goods are in much worse shape. If you are not convinced by him so be it. Not everybody can be convinced everytime especially when its about subjective things that cant be proved one way or other. If you arent convinced dont vote for him. Go for some who has convinced you with all good faith. Thats the most I can say.

That was directed to the supporters of Mr. Modi who spend more time bashing Muslims & Christians, implicitly suggesting that they do not matter.

Yes..they dont matter in BJP's electoral strategy. It might be news for you..but not for me. No matter what Modi does - majority among the two minorities wont vote for him. Whoever votes is just a bonus vote. That is a reality we have to live with in a polity where the word secularism has so strongly come to mean appeasement of minorities. What matters is if his development strategy includes them. Electoral strategy and development strategy are two different things. There is no reason to believe that his' doesn't include them. And this is the second instance where you project the opinions of others onto Modi and that is why I said its non-sequitor. It is Modi's personal idealogy that matters at the end of the day. Not some of his random fans'.

Modi will have no such luxury because he will never win a mandate big enough & has to operate in the real world. No PM who runs a coalition can be authoritative/authoritarian etc etc. The mandate will ensure that. India is not Gujarat, the era of absolute majorities seem to have left us.. You may wish for something else(a non-coalition era) but as they say, if wishes were horses.....

How he runs the coalition if he comes to power is for the future to decide. Passing predictions about that is useless. And being authoritative is not about coalitions perse, but how much acceptability and respect you command among the coalition.

 

[KS]

The way you're talking it's as if some of these are problems exclusive to Muslims. I can assure you even now there is a problem with population control among HINDUS. If it has taken well over 40 years for hindus to adopt population control in large numbers (not ALL- UP is expected to grow till 2040, and driven by 'hindu rate of population growth' I might add), why are you trying to make it look like only muslims are 'breeding'? Hindus have been doing that quite well for 60 years, which is why we are 1.2 Billion (and rising). This is an INDIAN problem, not muslim one. The only ones historically doing good on this are the christians (fat chance @Marxist will ever give them credit for this)

Not exclusive to Muslims..but mostly prevalent amongst muslims. And this is not just a phenomenon restricted to India. But worldwide. Procreation is one of God's commandments they say. Muslim TFR is far higher than the TFR of both Hindus and Christians. Even in Kerala the muslim TFR is 3 whereas that of Hindus and xtians is less than sustainable level. And TFR difference of more than 1 is huge.

Oh shut it KS. You're full of BS when you're defending the right wing.

Transalation : Sorry-I-Dont-have-a-factual-rebuttal-for-this-.So-I-am-going-to-weasel-my-way-out-by-throwing-childish-tantrums.


Sorry guynextdoor2 we know who you are. A typical Cong fanboi who parrots a limited set of sentences and when somebody rebuts the whole thing factually runaway throwing tantrums

 

[wolfpack]

The venom Hindus have for Muslims is no secret, even when they try to hide it, they are unable to. A man commits genocide of Muslims and they bring that man in to power with their vote bank. Also this forum is another example of the love Hindus have for Muslims. What goes on here is for all to see...

Haaji sarkar aap ka kya hukam hai? You rule INDIA RIGHT so you can say what you want against India isnt it? This is a internal matter of india, aap kyon kyo khujili aa rahe hai?We all know your love for muslims all over the world .Did you embrace rohingya muslims from myanmar?Nah, you just killed them 2 decades ago in 1971 cos they were bengali speakers dark skinned and somehow UNTERMENSCHEN in 71 war.You still proud of that ARYAN INVADER thing right? that cost you East Pakistan .

 

[RangerPK]

Haaji sarkar aap ka kya hukam hai? You rule INDIA RIGHT so you can say what you want against India isnt it? This is a internal matter of india, aap kyon kyo khujili aa rahe hai?We all know your love for muslims all over the world .Did you embrace rohingya muslims from myanmar?Nah, you just killed them 2 decades ago in 1971 cos they were bengali speakers dark skinned and somehow UNTERMENSCHEN in 71 war.You still proud of that ARYAN INVADER thing right? that cost you East Pakistan .

You validate my opinion.

 

[Bang Galore]

Your only point through and thorough is Vajpayee ji's criticism about Modi. You rest your entire case on that alone and I cannot take it seriously when you rest your own judgement on another man's. Sorry but that's how it is. Plus it may be that I am unable to see what it conveys OR, you are just reading too much into this and getting riled about nothing. He said one neednt be a CM to understand the sadness of lives lost, even as trivial as that of a puppy on road. But being a human being is enough to understand that. That is the crux/takeaway of that point. You are ignoring the main point and concentrating on the rest.

Another man? That's your answer? Seriously? Did you forget that the "another man" we are talking about was the PM of India at the very time the riots took place, of the very party that Modi belongs to. You think the PM of India had less information on what was happening (since he made his point then, not now) than you do?

And the original reuters interviewee Shruti Gottipati herself tweeted that Modi's remarks were poorly contextualized by the media. (No kidding !)

That's a display of poor political skills then by Mr.Modi.

The point is people who have their reservations about modi will see offensive about anything he says. That is how it works.

And vice versa. While I may have reservations about Modi, I do not believe that I'm completely immune to being persuaded to see another point of view if there was a case, I'm not sure others defending Modi here could always say the same.

And in India, anybody can get offended by anything and this is Modi we are talking about.

As I said, feeding the fire displays bad handling.

Just because he didnt say what you wanted him to say doesnt make it rubbish. Regarding Modi, it is not possible to pacify all people at all times. That is who he is. He made his intentions clear when speaking with those directly affected by the riots and his actions after that reflect that. That should be more than enough for anybody who is actually concerned about the riots.

It is not about him saying what I want to here, it is simply about speaking unadulterated rubbish. That analogy was inappropriate & meaningless. Modi wasn't being asked as an impartial observer, he was being asked what he though as being the main principal in control of the state machinery during the indent.

No he doesnt owe any damn responsibility. His responsibility is to do everything he can subject to his own judgement as CM and availability of resources. That is what is expected of any CM. Why should he saddle himself with the guilt of something that he knows he is not responsible for ? Why do you people want to take him on a guilt-trip for a crime that you cant prove that he is responsible for ? He says he feels sad. Thats the most anyone can feel for something they are not responsible for.

That is your opinion, not one I share. Modi was responsible as the CM oof the state & while I almost never bother myself with charges of collusion(simple because they cannot be proven), there is simply no getting away from the fact that there was a complete failure & breakdown of the system. The nonsense of doing everything that could be done was not bought by the then PM, nor is it bought by one of Modi principal supporters within the BJP, the Goa CM Manohar Parrikar. It was he who said that the deaths were quiet clearly a failure & it was he who used the same excuse that you pointed out & modi supposedly said in some interview, of being inexperienced. One can't have it both ways; trot out excuses of inexperience when convenient & yet blatantly refuse at other points to even agree to any failure. If there was no failure, how does the inexperience matter? Sorry, not buying it.

Plus I'll say frankly man - I'm tired of this ****. People looking for 110% perfection in one man when the rest of the goods are in much worse shape. If you are not convinced by him so be it. Not everybody can be convinced everytime especially when its about subjective things that cant be proved one way or other. If you arent convinced dont vote for him. Go for some who has convinced you with all good faith. Thats the most I can say.

You needn't have to say that. That I already know & I will do whatever it is I want during the voting process. Doesn't stop me from debating points out here. If you feel so strongly, maybe you should take a break.

Yes..they dont matter in BJP's electoral strategy. It might be news for you..but not for me. No matter what Modi does - majority among the two minorities wont vote for him. Whoever votes is just a bonus vote. That is a reality we have to live with in a polity where the word secularism has so strongly come to mean appeasement of minorities. What matters is if his development strategy includes them. Electoral strategy and development strategy are two different things. There is no reason to believe that his' doesn't include them. And this is the second instance where you project the opinions of others onto Modi and that is why I said its non-sequitor. It is Modi's personal idealogy that matters at the end of the day. Not some of his random fans'.

What is Modi "personal" strategy? Mandir? Cow slaughter? Corruption being acceptable if done by his guy?(refer support to Yeddy & now the attempts to woo him back to the BJP) What? Dismissing the concern over one of India's worse riots as saying that one would feel bad if a puppy was run over? No need to project the opinion of supporters(though those are good indicators)Unlike you, I know exactly what Modi concentrated on during his recent campaign in Karnataka & no it wasn't on development. I'm not very gullible with political speak and I'm not a great believer in a "messiah". There are no white knights around and they certainly don't go by the name of Modi either. Electoral strategy is important. If a politician defines himself as exclusive, then that very perception is damaging. Not only to the politician but nationally if that person were to rise to a greater position.

How he runs the coalition if he comes to power is for the future to decide. Passing predictions about that is useless. And being authoritative is not about coalitions perse, but how much acceptability and respect you command among the coalition.

Passing predictions isn't useless. After all Modi supporters are predicting nationally based in supposed experiences in a state. You have your opinion, it would not be too hard to figure out that I disagree.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

10000% correct.

Netaji and Sheikh Mujib thats the two guys who had balls in the history of Indian politics... Others were just mice...