Dhaka-Sylhet six-lane highway project starts in July

[bluesky]

I think Netherland is a deltaic country like Bangladesh, but you’re correct otherwise.

Thanks. But, the Netherlands is a country where they pushed back the North Sea that took them a few centuries. The Dutch worked to slowly push back the water of the Zuiderzee, building dikes and creating polders. Once dikes were built, canals and pumps were used to drain the land and to keep it dry.

In the case of Sylhet and most other places it is not the Sea that directly creates problem. BD is a low and flat land infested with marsh we call Haor that causes problem. In the Netherlands they pump out the rainwater to the sea.

The Sea is far away from Sylhet and water cannot be pumped away. There is no way the land can be kept dry. Hence, the road level has to rise above the flood line that requires huge earthworks.

The process of excavating, carrying and filling an area with earth is very expensive.

 

[SylhetiBDeshiAmerican]

Thanks. But, the Netherlands is a country where they pushed back the North Sea that took them a few centuries. The Dutch worked to slowly push back the water of the Zuiderzee, building dikes and creating polders. Once dikes were built, canals and pumps were used to drain the land and to keep it dry.

In the case of Sylhet and most other places it is not the Sea that directly creates problem. BD is a low and flat land infested with marsh we call Haor that causes problem. In the Netherlands they pump out the rainwater to the sea.

The Sea is far away from Sylhet and water cannot be pumped away. There is no way the land can be kept dry. Hence, the road level has to rise above the flood line that requires huge earthworks.

The process of excavating, carrying and filling an area with earth is very expensive.

I see, thank you for your elaboration.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

@Abu Shaleh Rumi - See BD government recognises the important contribution of Sylhet to BD and that is why it only gets the best in terms of infrastructure.

Yah after pumping out natural resources for almost 50 years GoB finally decided to build some low quality infrastructure with massively inflated cost. And we have to pay everytime we use these low quality shits.

I know something is better than nothing, but we Sylhetis should be happy with this? Autonomy is the way to go if we want to have euro like quality of life...

BTW, I dont give a flying fuk about what GoB and other Bangladeshis think about Sylhet and us Sylhetis. Whatever we are now we had to do it ourselves. And Im very proud of it...

 

[Michael Corleone]

Those you mention aren't "decent". Go a few blocks back from the main roads, and they become cheap or even go to Uttara or Bashundhara. For £70000, you can get luxurious apartment in Mirpur

Father bought an apartment for that price in wari, maybe my standards are too high from living abroad but I wouldn’t call it luxurious. Seen apartment building in Mirpur for sale of a childhood friend of mine, asking price was similar but market value is far less. However the real “luxury” apartments in bd starts from 600k. Mental

 

[UKBengali]

Yah after pumping out natural resources for almost 50 years GoB finally decided to build some low quality infrastructure with massively inflated cost. And we have to pay everytime we use these low quality shits.

I know something is better than nothing, but we Sylhetis should be happy with this? Autonomy is the way to go if we want to have euro like quality of life...

BTW, I dont give a flying fuk about what GoB and other Bangladeshis think about Sylhet and us Sylhetis. Whatever we are now we had to do it ourselves. And Im very proud of it...

As been explained by both myself, @Homo Sapiens and @bluesky the cost is not massively inflated. By the standards of the region, the government is not ripping off the population that much. Please take some time to read all the posts in this thread to gain a detailed understanding why the cost is not abnormally high.

The new road is hardly "low quality". It is a full motorway of 6 lanes and is up to world class standards. If the government meets the 2023 completion schedule, which may now not possibly happen with Covid 19), you will be able to drive from Dhaka to Sylhet or vice-versa in just 2 hours - this is fast even by world standards.

Autonomy?
You want another expensive layer of government and potential gridlock between Sylhet and the central government in Dhaka which just hampers development?
We just need to look at our neighbours like India and Pakistan to see how they have been hampered over the last 7 decades without the strong central government that BD has.
BD government must control everything apart from local services like rubbish collection etc.

Euro quality of life? Yes maybe one day in our lifetimes that may happen but it needs to happen for ALL of BD and not just Sylhet.
Sylhet is the richest division in the whole of BD and gets arguably better infrastructure than anywhere else. It has the most power generation per capita, Sylhet city looks better than even the capital Dhaka and Sylhetis earn the highest incomes in BD. That is more than enough evidence that Sylhet is treated fairly by the BD government and is flourishing.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

As been explained by both myself, @Homo Sapiens and @bluesky the cost is not massively inflated. By the standards of the region, the government is not ripping off the population that much. Please take some time to read all the posts in this thread to gain a detailed understanding why the cost is not abnormally high.

LOL, Im not an anti government person but, that doesn't mean I will try to cover and justify governments "Hori loot" shamelessly. Cost is very high and quality will be the lowest as always...

The new road is hardly "low quality". It is a full motorway of 6 lanes and is up to world class standards. If the government meets the 2023 completion schedule, which may now not possibly happen with Covid 19), you will be able to drive from Dhaka to Sylhet or vice-versa in just 2 hours - this is fast even by world standards.

LOL. You're very optimistic because you have zero ground reality experience...

 

[UKBengali]

LOL. You're very optimistic because you have zero ground reality experience...

Compare Dhaka to Mawa road which is similar standard.

You are looking at negatives all the time to be honest.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

Autonomy?
You want another expensive layer of government and potential gridlock between Sylhet and the central government in Dhaka which just hampers development?
We just need to look at our neighbours like India and Pakistan to see how they have been hampered over the last 7 decades without the strong central government that BD has.

BD government must control everything apart from local services like rubbish collection etc.

LOL, you're trying to tell me what is good for us while you're living abroad!

And judging from your posts you have zero knowledge how administration works. Everything has its pros and cons. I want autonomy because, I want to develop Sylhet by ourselves. GoB should focus on other parts of Bangladesh.

 

[UKBengali]

LOL, you're trying to tell me what is good for us while you're living abroad!

And judging from your posts you have zero knowledge how administration works. Everything has its pros and cons. I want autonomy because, I want to develop Sylhet by ourselves. GoB should focus on other parts of Bangladesh.

Ok, you now seem frustrated and lashing out when someone is trying to debate with you rationally.

Try to get out of your tunnel vision and then you may see why your thought processes make little sense.

I live in the UK where there are 4 governments in the country and so have vast experience of how regional government works and what the limitations are.

If you think autonomy for Sylhet can give it control over say gas reserves then you have little idea of how a state manages it's resources.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

Euro quality of life? Yes maybe one day in our lifetimes that may happen but it needs to happen for ALL of BD and not just Sylhet.

Charity starts from home. We can donate when we're rich...

Sylhet is the richest division in the whole of BD and gets arguably better infrastructure than anywhere else. It has the most power generation per capita, Sylhet city looks better than even the capital Dhaka and Sylhetis earn the highest incomes in BD.

Credit goes to Sylhetis. Nobody else...

That is more than enough evidence that Sylhet is treated fairly by the BD government and is flourishing.

Yep, spending couple of billions in low quality infrastructure with inflated cost, low quality services and high corruption after pumping out our natural resources for almost 50 years. Not to mention slicing out handsome amount from our remittance.

Very fair treatment. I guess...

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

Ok, you now seem frustrated and lashing out when someone is trying to debate with you rationally.

Try to get out of your tunnel vision and then you may see why your thought processes make little sense.

LOL, maybe it is a side effect of observing how we Sylhetis are being ripped off. And you're not rational, you're emotional...

I live in the UK where there are 4 governments in the country and so have vast experience of how regional government works and what the limitations are.

Nothing is perfect. And, Im not talking about UK type federalism here! I prefer US style...

If you think autonomy for Sylhet can give it control over say gas reserves then you have little idea of how a state manages it's resources.

See, you have zero knowledge about administration. There is a country named USA just research how she functions and how her natural resources are managed.

Autonomy means autonomy. We will do everything by ourselves. Central government will only manage Defence and Foreign Policy.

 

[leonblack08]

People talk about Sylheti gas being extracted, but don't talk about the billions of dollars invested by the Bangladesh government and the MNC energy corps to develop infrastructure, create employment for local Sylheti people and also improve the lives of local communities. The MNCs had a specific requirement to hire local contractors if they met the requirements. As prescribed by Petro Bangla.

But to someone with a secessionist agenda, only view from their lens is that of looting of resources.

There is no restrictions on any Bangladeshi to speak their own language or dialect. All the regions have their own importance and own set of contributions. Of course that is incomprehensible to people with agenda.

People creating issues where there is none. And there are vultures circling to aid their cause. They should be here shortly.

 

[Bilal9]

Autonomy means autonomy. We will do everything by ourselves. Central government will only manage Defence and Foreign Policy.

Our country is already so small. Why break it up even farther?

What purpose would secession serve?

What grievance are Sylhetis facing being a part of Bangladesh?

 

[SylhetiBDeshiAmerican]

I slightly agree with @Abu Shaleh Rumi. Hey

Our country is already so small. Why break it up even farther?

What purpose would secession serve?

What grievance are Sylhetis facing being a part of Bangladesh?

US Style Federalism is actually one of the best form of government, Our founding father created our government so no one branch of government is more powerful (Checks and Balances) and or dictatorial, Bangladesh is small, but it is not that small at all, many countries in the Middle East and South East Asia and Europe and America are a lot smaller. Finding a balanced and efficient form government and making amendments to better allocate resources, and implement taxation policy is not considered seccetionist, government structure needs continuous amendments and process improvements to efficiently govern, think of Government as a commercial company, business. As all companies improves their processes over time to better manage their company efficiently and maximize of profits and recourses. Continuous process improvements and reformation based on research and developments and to address past mistakes and inefficiency is the key. Decentralized government actually works the best to address those shortcomings. Bangladesh obviously need to better allocate and manage its government business efficiently. Even in a small state of Vermont, there 4 layers of government, State, city, county, and local jurisdictions; then there exist independent counties and cities within state as well. NYC also very very independent from the NYS when it comes to making policies that affects NYC citizens and allocating its resources. NYC is a lot smaller than the City of London. Gridlock in US federal government was deliberately created for rational debate and compromises. Many European states has similar type of government, Bangladeshi govt need to recognize Sylhet language ASAP and Declare it a co-official language of Sylhet division in Bangladesh and that is one the biggest grievance a large section of Bangladeshi Sylhetis have as many people from Other parts of the Bangladesh erroneously look down upon Sylheti language without realizing it is not a dialect but a language own its own right.

People talk about Sylheti gas being extracted, but don't talk about the billions of dollars invested by the Bangladesh government and the MNC energy corps to develop infrastructure, create employment for local Sylheti people and also improve the lives of local communities. The MNCs had a specific requirement to hire local contractors if they met the requirements. As prescribed by Petro Bangla.

But to someone with a secessionist agenda, only view from their lens is that of looting of resources.

There is no restrictions on any Bangladeshi to speak their own language or dialect. All the regions have their own importance and own set of contributions. Of course that is incomprehensible to people with agenda.

People creating issues where there is none. And there are vultures circling to aid their cause. They should be here shortly.

Please kindly see my post above for detailed answer. Also please watch the video as the video breaks it down why federalism is a best form of And efficient form of Government and actually works to build coalition and cooperation rather than secession. Lastly UK government structure showed its vulnerabilities during its recent Brexit crisis. I think parliamentary democracy is less efficient and federalism and republic style democracy.

And this video only address US federal Government Structure

 

[Homo Sapiens]

People talk about Sylheti gas being extracted, but don't talk about the billions of dollars invested by the Bangladesh government and the MNC energy corps to develop infrastructure, create employment for local Sylheti people and also improve the lives of local communities. The MNCs had a specific requirement to hire local contractors if they met the requirements. As prescribed by Petro Bangla.

But to someone with a secessionist agenda, only view from their lens is that of looting of resources.

There is no restrictions on any Bangladeshi to speak their own language or dialect. All the regions have their own importance and own set of contributions. Of course that is incomprehensible to people with agenda.

People creating issues where there is none. And there are vultures circling to aid their cause. They should be here shortly.

Our country is already so small. Why break it up even farther?

What purpose would secession serve?

What grievance are Sylhetis facing being a part of Bangladesh?

This forum seems to have been invaded by Sylheti weirdos. There are far more bigger, far more diverse country than our's with tons of ethnicities and languages are functioning well as a unitary state with single official language. Look at Indonesia, it is a vast unitary state with fragmented geography, immense number of ethnicities and local language functioning well as a unitary state with single official language. Japan's fragmented geography and vast expanses over the ocean did not prevent it from functioning as a strong unitary state or becoming developed. Vast majority country in the world are unitary state and they are functioning perfectly well. On the other hand look at Bangladesh, a geographically small country where 98 percent are of same ethnicity(Bengali), 98 percent speak the same language(with regional variations), 90 percent profess the same religion, fragmenting it by federalization would sound absurd for any rational mind.

Chakma shanti Bahini terrorists created unrest in Chittagong hill tract with the demand of federalizing Bangladesh and making CHT a federal state of Bangladesh. We suppressed them efficiently and they abandoned their fantasy with more realistic goal of tribal participation in local administration and regional development in CHT accord. Anyone who advocate federalization in Bangladesh or creating more national language out of nowhere is not a well wisher of Bangladesh. We should stop giving attention to such individuals, they thrive on our attention and reply.