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Devyani Khobragade case: Past experience to determine the way forward with US, India says - The Times of India


NEW DELHI: The US may be hoping that the Devyani Khobragade episode will come to "closure" with the senior Indian diplomat's departure for home, but India on Monday indicated a different viewpoint, saying it will move forward in the relationship based on "its experience" in the past.

India has already made it clear that it will continue to press for dropping of visa fraud charges against senior diplomat Devyani Khobragade, who was arrested on December 12 in New York and subsequently indicted by a jury in the case. Immediately after the indictment, Khobragade was asked to leave by the US, which also granted her full diplomatic immunity.

"We will take each day as it comes because it is important to look back and forward. The relationship between India and the US is not a one-issue relationship. We have a series of issues that we are engaged. We will take this matter after carefully examining what has been our experience in the past and we will move forward on this broad relationship that we have," spokesman in the ministry of external affairs said here.

At a briefing in Washington after the departure of Khobragade, state department spokesman Jen Psaki said, "This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place."

Meanwhile, drawing lessons from the Khobragade episode, foreign ministry has also decided to "vigorously" pursue its proposal with finance ministry to make "significant" changes in the status of domestic assistants like maids helping Indian diplomats in the US and the Europe.

Noting that the proposal was in "gestation" from more than an year with finance ministry, the Spokesperson said the ministry hopes to pursue vigorously the proposal, which has legal, financial and visa status implications.
 
So damage is done.There is no comeback.All that reputation developed by US in India is gone once and for all.
 
2014 started with BANG in IND-US relationship, seems it will continue through out the year.. :yes4:
 
The Americans have mocked India's judicial system
January 13, 2014 17:39 IST

19devyani2.jpg
'Evacuating' Devyani's maid's family from India on T visas -- associated with severe sex or labour trafficking... The maximum number of persons thus evacuated by the US from foreign countries last year was from India.
'A thorough investigation of this is required at India's end,' says former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, 'with the US warned that such interference in India's judicial system will not be tolerated.'

India's then deputy consul general in New York, Devyani Khobragade, was indicted by a grand jury for her so-called crime of visa fraud and underpayment of wages to her maid, given full diplomatic immunity by the State Department upon her transfer to India's United Nations mission, and expelled from the United States.
It brings to a tangled closure an episode that has badly fouled up the atmosphere of US-India relations.
Some may argue that this was the only viable compromise that could be forged, given the determination of the US side to punish her, its procrastination in finding an early way out and in the process allowing public antagonism towards the US in India to grow, and the matching determination on the Indian side not to permit the US to get away with this deliberate affront to India's dignity and its sovereignty.
The US has, it can be argued, upheld its labour laws, made the point that foreign diplomats violating them are liable for legal action, but has been forced to end the impasse with India by granting Dr Khobragade full diplomatic immunity upon being accredited to India's UN mission as enjoined by its headquarters agreement with the UN.
The solution found has, however, left many loose ends and many questions unanswered.
To understand why this incident occurred, it needs recalling that already it was being bemoaned in expert circles on both sides that the relationship had lost its momentum and was not living up to its promise.
India, it was being said, was not in focus in the White House anymore, and in the State Department pro-India hands that were nurturing the relationship were no longer in position.
The recent Congressional campaign by the US corporate sector against India's tax, patent and market-access related policies have rattled the Indian side, not to mention the tightening of the visa regime for Indian information technology professionals.
This explains in part the cavalier way in which the US treated Dr Khobragade and the strong Indian reaction.
The inherent inequalities in US-India bilateral relations have been exposed by this incident. The US constantly judges others politically and morally by the yardstick of its supposedly loftier values -- an exercise seen as self-serving and hypocritical by those at the receiving end.
Indian feelings have been exacerbated all the more over this incident because the US has sought to provide the protection of its supposedly superior laws to exploited foreign nationals and has dismissed the infliction of personal indignities such as strip-searching a foreign woman diplomat as 'standard operating procedure'.
Since the US freely pronounces on the legitimacy of laws of foreign countries, it is time others summoned the US to get rid of its 'standard operating procedures' that offend human dignity.
It is now apparent that the State Department in collusion with the US embassy in New Delhi were primarily responsible for the arrest of India's diplomat. Even more serious in some ways than her arrest is the manner in which the Americans have mocked India's judicial system by 'evacuating' the maid's family from India on T visas -- associated with severe sex or labour trafficking.
It would seem that the maximum number of persons evacuated by the US from foreign countries last year was from India -- one-third out of a total of 151.
It is astonishing that India's government has been unaware of this egregious conduct by the US government and its missions in India.
A thorough investigation of this is required at India's end, with the US warned that such interference in India's judicial system will not be tolerated and those in its missions involved in the issuance of such visas will open themselves to legal action.
Our immigration authorities should be ordered to prevent any Indian leaving the country on a T visa by declaring such visas illegal.
US authorities, its media and some Indian Americans are finding excuses for the crass manner in which India's diplomat in the US has been treated.
US labour laws have been arbitrarily extended to the domestic staff of foreign diplomats travelling on official passports, in violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
The decision to exclude housing, food, clothing, travel, medical expenses from the package offered to such domestic staff is misconceived.
The US is getting away with this because of its superpower status. Those belabouring errant Indian diplomats for flouting US laws should keep this in view.
Ironically, for all of its posturing, the US ignores the reality that its diplomats in India pay 'slave' wages to their local domestic staff, not to mention the pittance they give as salaries to the local staff employed in their missions.
Which is why the US embassy is dragging its feet in giving information to the ministry of external affairs on wages and salaries being paid to Indians in its employment.
The argument that the US is not violating local laws by not paying them minimum US wages is morally hollow, as it implies that they can exploit foreign labour in disregard of their own minimum standards, but will take punitive legal action even against foreign nationals in the US who employ their own nationals as domestic staff at wages much higher than normal Indian standards.
To then deflect attention from Devyani's case by bringing in issues of social inequalities in India, the addiction of the Indian middle class to domestic servants and their frequent maltreatment, is to suggest that there is perfect equality in the US and that the Americans have such a superior sense of human dignity that they do not employ maids even when they can afford them. And that all cases of underpayment result in strip-searches by US marshals.
The US is also trying to obfuscate the enormity of what it has done to the Indian diplomat by trying to shift the focus to India's decision to withdraw the security barriers 'surrounding' the US embassy, which is a canard because a public road that had been taken over by the US embassy and incorporated into its compound to make it comfortable for its personnel to access the embassy club has been re-opened to traffic, but with security barriers alongside the embassy's walls and police presence still in place.
The security barriers along nine other embassy compound walls remain and traffic on nine roads adjoining the embassy walls has never been stopped.
These facts are being conveniently overlooked in the propaganda being disseminated by US authorities. The decision not to allow the embassy to continue misusing its diplomatic privileges in various ways is being termed as 'petty' unbecoming of a democracy and a would-be great power.
Such patronising and condescending editorials in the US mainstream press show how self-centred, narrow-minded and insular Americans can be, even those with a window on the world.
It is, of course, not petty for the US to magnify a minor wage dispute into a huge visa fraud issue, to agree to deport the maid at one stage in writing and then inexplicably change its mind because someone wanted to teach Indian diplomats a lesson and to ignore the judicial process against the maid in India.
The US has, of course, been above the kind of pettiness India has shown, in disregarding the fact that Dr Khobragade, seconded as an adviser to our UN delegation, enjoyed full diplomatic immunity, to keep the Indian government in the dark about its intentions towards her, to spirit away the maid's family two days before the arrest, to be unwilling to acknowledge that handcuffing and strip-searching a foreign woman diplomat is unacceptable, and, for the edification of outraged Indians, to differentiate between a visual examination of her cavities and digital insertion in them, as if the choice of the former is notably large-hearted.
By the same token, Secretary John Kerry has shown remarkable generosity in expressing regret over the incident, or the 'circumstances' of the incident as the US ambassador to India has said. In other words, the deputy consul general regrettably created the issue which forced the US to react against its better judgment.
The statement of the US ambassador was also inept, as it implied that the incident should be set aside and the two countries should now carry on business as usual. In other words, minimising the gravity of the incident.
Of course, all sensible persons would agree that this incident should not damage the bilateral relationship beyond all proportions.
India and the US are engaged in numerous dialogues on key strategic, geopolitical, defense, technology, economic, energy, educational and other issues.
The agenda is far-reaching. Yet, on this sensitive issue the dialogue between the two countries has dragged on unreasonably.
It is necessary to have a bilateral agreement on immunities for diplomats of the two countries working in consulates. The status of domestic staff accompanying our diplomats has to be clearly defined through a bilateral agreement.
Diplomatic ties must be restructured on the basis of strict reciprocity.
By being petty-minded on a minor legal issue, the US has neither conducted itself as a great power nor as India's strategic partner.
Kanwal Sibal is a former foreign secretary of India.

So damage is done .There is no come back.All that reputation developed by US in India is gone once and for all.
Indeed the hardwork put in over last 1 decade to bring India US closer has done great damage to Indo-US relations by this month long log jam ...
It has left bad after taste ....
as such India had difficulty in trusting true intentions towards India about its sudden warming up after decades of hostility and antagonism ....
and careless behavior of US authorities have damaged all the trust that was built and nurtured by Indian American community ...
 
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2014 started with BANG in IND-US relationship, seems it will continue through out the year.. :yes4:
Why the India-US relationship is in such a mess

'Just how strong were the ties between the world's largest and oldest democracies that an incident involving a diplomat and a maid led to anger threatening the relationship itself? Or had the relationship been weakening in the past few years, masked by the empty symbolism of State dinners, asks Devesh Kapur.
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The sharp deterioration in India-US relations stemming from Devyani Khobragade's arrest raises a question: Just how strong were the ties between the world's largest and oldest democracies -- whose common value systems supposedly make them 'natural allies' -- that an incident involving a diplomat and a maid led to angst and anger threatening the relationship itself? Or had the relationship been weakening in the past few years, masked by the empty symbolism of State dinners?
A strong bilateral relationship is like a healthy garden -- you need to ensure the soil is fertile, plant the right seeds, nurture it, and weed it. Gardens reflect the care of their gardeners. As Rudyard Kipling said, 'Gardens are not made by singing, "Oh, how beautiful" and sitting in the shade.'
The underlying basis of the transformation of the India-US relationship was India's rapid economic growth -- the best foreign policy today. Both countries lost the economic plot after 2008. India's self-inflicted economic wounds are unlikely to heal soon. So, key supporters with an economic stake in India -- American business and non-resident Indians, NRIs, who heavily lobbied for India in the last decade -- have little reason to do so now.
They have actually become vociferous critics in some cases -- hardly surprising, given how fed up Indian business is of its government. This criticism has been myopic, exemplified by their staunch opposition to India's stance on intellectual property rights of medicines and the solar panel dispute in which the US has dragged India to the World Trade Organisation, WTO.
There are reasons to believe that the new Indian patent law may run afoul of the WTO, but US criticism of the Indian Supreme Court's ruling on repetitive patents seemed to emphasise 'my rule of law' rather than upholding the broader principle of 'rule of law.' And dragging India to the WTO on solar panel subsidies was strange, given that the primary beneficiaries would be Chinese, not American, companies.
But these lobbies also have good reasons to be unhappy. The root of the current crisis is the unravelling of the India-US nuclear deal, once hailed as transformative and now the poster child of aborted hopes and bitter recriminations.
US business lobbies, NRIs and the Indian government worked with the US government and lobbied extremely hard for an agreement against the teeth of opposition from the non-proliferation lobby and patronising liberals far more comfortable with a nuclear China than India.
But instead of running with an amazing breakthrough, a weak Indian government fumbled, passing a nuclear liability law that no other country had and no international supplier could ever agree to.
Indeed, to ensure the US's support to obtain the waivers from the Nuclear Suppliers Group, India voted against an important partner, Iran, in the United Nations. Five years later, no nuclear plants have come up in India. Instead, they have come up in Pakistan since China used the deal to further its agenda in that country.
Meanwhile, India's relations with Iran deteriorated and US business, which saw as its reward only headaches and few opportunities in India, has become embittered.
Nor has security cooperation gathered as much steam as expected. India has abysmally mismanaged its defence procurement, putting its security at risk and also weakening a key pillar of the India-US relationship.
The failure stems in part from India's 'We-know-best' foreign policy establishment.
Take the massive contract for the medium multi-role combat aircraft for the Indian Air Force. India was trading the best technical choice and costs with the strategic implications of picking a specific aircraft. But India did not link its discussions with the US on this issue (which was important to the US) with another issue important to India, namely the US failure to agree to a totalisation agreement with India. The latter would ensure that Indian nationals working in the US would not pay social security taxes if they returned to India within an agreed time frame.
The US has signed such agreements with 24 countries and India with 18, and some of these are common to both. The US has found reasons not to since it is effectively expropriating half to one billion dollars annually.
India could have insisted that it was prepared to award the fighter aircraft contract to the US if the latter agreed to a totalisation agreement. Neither happened -- no deals, simply more disagreements.
By failing to deliver on its commitments, India undercut its position when it did have an iron-tight case such as the shameful handling of David Headley by the US. If an Indian national had been involved in the murder of scores of Americans, the US would have been outraged if he was not handed over. But why should Americans care more than Indians themselves seem to bother about the Mumbai attacks if the apathy five years after that horrific event is any indication?
The reality is that a government that has frittered away respect within cannot command it outside. Over the past couple of years, the locus of Indian foreign policy has moved from the ministry of external affairs to the Prime Minister's Office and internal bureaucratic games -- from selection of foreign secretaries to ambassadors to the US -- often take more energy than actual policy formulation.
India's embassy in Washington was aware of the charges against Ms Khobragade in summer 2013. It could have taken the pre-emptive action of posting her outside the US, but failed to act swiftly. It could have -- and indeed the Indian government should have -- been aware that the US, especially the New York region, has been granting asylum status to increasing numbers of Indians.
According to a recent report, there was 'a sharp increase in the number of refugees/asylees, from 300 in the 1990s (and barely 19 in the 1980s) to 3,100 in the 2000s (asylees accounted for virtually the entire flow of this group),' accounting for 11 per cent of new Indian legal permanent residents in New York.
Outrage is a poor substitute for hard work.
Many of India's weaknesses are mirrored in the US. The quality of the State Department and the National Security Council personnel on the India desk reflects Washington's priorities. Hence, its unpreparedness for India's reaction was unsurprising. American elites -- like their Indian counterparts -- are only too eager to win tactical battles, while losing sight of broader strategic goals.
The US's refusal to grant Narendra Modi a visa -- the result of an exquisite cohabitation of far-Right evangelicals and the Left -- has meant that a prospective prime minister of India will have had far greater contact with China, the country that poses the single biggest challenge to the US in this century.
Senior US officials actually believe that if Mr Modi comes to power, they will give him a visa and he will move on -- demonstrating that self-delusion is a necessary precursor of decline.
With the most recent saga, the US has achieved a near-miracle -- uniting all Indian political parties, for once, against it. It has performed a similar miracle in neighbouring Pakistan -- the US has made itself even less popular than India after having given that country tens of billions of dollars in aid.
Both countries have joined to weaken the economic, security, political and bureaucratic stabilisers of their relationship, which means that the only miracle unlikely to transpire soon is a robust India-US relationship.
Dr Devesh Kapur is Director, Centre for the Advanced Study of India at the University of Pennsylvania
 
The Americans have mocked India's judicial system
January 13, 2014 17:39 IST

19devyani2.jpg
'Evacuating' Devyani's maid's family from India on T visas -- associated with severe sex or labour trafficking... The maximum number of persons thus evacuated by the US from foreign countries last year was from India.
'A thorough investigation of this is required at India's end,' says former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, 'with the US warned that such interference in India's judicial system will not be tolerated.'

India's then deputy consul general in New York, Devyani Khobragade, was indicted by a grand jury for her so-called crime of visa fraud and underpayment of wages to her maid, given full diplomatic immunity by the State Department upon her transfer to India's United Nations mission, and expelled from the United States.
It brings to a tangled closure an episode that has badly fouled up the atmosphere of US-India relations.
Some may argue that this was the only viable compromise that could be forged, given the determination of the US side to punish her, its procrastination in finding an early way out and in the process allowing public antagonism towards the US in India to grow, and the matching determination on the Indian side not to permit the US to get away with this deliberate affront to India's dignity and its sovereignty.
The US has, it can be argued, upheld its labour laws, made the point that foreign diplomats violating them are liable for legal action, but has been forced to end the impasse with India by granting Dr Khobragade full diplomatic immunity upon being accredited to India's UN mission as enjoined by its headquarters agreement with the UN.
The solution found has, however, left many loose ends and many questions unanswered.
To understand why this incident occurred, it needs recalling that already it was being bemoaned in expert circles on both sides that the relationship had lost its momentum and was not living up to its promise.
India, it was being said, was not in focus in the White House anymore, and in the State Department pro-India hands that were nurturing the relationship were no longer in position.
The recent Congressional campaign by the US corporate sector against India's tax, patent and market-access related policies have rattled the Indian side, not to mention the tightening of the visa regime for Indian information technology professionals.
This explains in part the cavalier way in which the US treated Dr Khobragade and the strong Indian reaction.
The inherent inequalities in US-India bilateral relations have been exposed by this incident. The US constantly judges others politically and morally by the yardstick of its supposedly loftier values -- an exercise seen as self-serving and hypocritical by those at the receiving end.
Indian feelings have been exacerbated all the more over this incident because the US has sought to provide the protection of its supposedly superior laws to exploited foreign nationals and has dismissed the infliction of personal indignities such as strip-searching a foreign woman diplomat as 'standard operating procedure'.
Since the US freely pronounces on the legitimacy of laws of foreign countries, it is time others summoned the US to get rid of its 'standard operating procedures' that offend human dignity.
It is now apparent that the State Department in collusion with the US embassy in New Delhi were primarily responsible for the arrest of India's diplomat. Even more serious in some ways than her arrest is the manner in which the Americans have mocked India's judicial system by 'evacuating' the maid's family from India on T visas -- associated with severe sex or labour trafficking.
It would seem that the maximum number of persons evacuated by the US from foreign countries last year was from India -- one-third out of a total of 151.
It is astonishing that India's government has been unaware of this egregious conduct by the US government and its missions in India.
A thorough investigation of this is required at India's end, with the US warned that such interference in India's judicial system will not be tolerated and those in its missions involved in the issuance of such visas will open themselves to legal action.
Our immigration authorities should be ordered to prevent any Indian leaving the country on a T visa by declaring such visas illegal.
US authorities, its media and some Indian Americans are finding excuses for the crass manner in which India's diplomat in the US has been treated.
US labour laws have been arbitrarily extended to the domestic staff of foreign diplomats travelling on official passports, in violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
The decision to exclude housing, food, clothing, travel, medical expenses from the package offered to such domestic staff is misconceived.
The US is getting away with this because of its superpower status. Those belabouring errant Indian diplomats for flouting US laws should keep this in view.
Ironically, for all of its posturing, the US ignores the reality that its diplomats in India pay 'slave' wages to their local domestic staff, not to mention the pittance they give as salaries to the local staff employed in their missions.
Which is why the US embassy is dragging its feet in giving information to the ministry of external affairs on wages and salaries being paid to Indians in its employment.
The argument that the US is not violating local laws by not paying them minimum US wages is morally hollow, as it implies that they can exploit foreign labour in disregard of their own minimum standards, but will take punitive legal action even against foreign nationals in the US who employ their own nationals as domestic staff at wages much higher than normal Indian standards.
To then deflect attention from Devyani's case by bringing in issues of social inequalities in India, the addiction of the Indian middle class to domestic servants and their frequent maltreatment, is to suggest that there is perfect equality in the US and that the Americans have such a superior sense of human dignity that they do not employ maids even when they can afford them. And that all cases of underpayment result in strip-searches by US marshals.
The US is also trying to obfuscate the enormity of what it has done to the Indian diplomat by trying to shift the focus to India's decision to withdraw the security barriers 'surrounding' the US embassy, which is a canard because a public road that had been taken over by the US embassy and incorporated into its compound to make it comfortable for its personnel to access the embassy club has been re-opened to traffic, but with security barriers alongside the embassy's walls and police presence still in place.
The security barriers along nine other embassy compound walls remain and traffic on nine roads adjoining the embassy walls has never been stopped.
These facts are being conveniently overlooked in the propaganda being disseminated by US authorities. The decision not to allow the embassy to continue misusing its diplomatic privileges in various ways is being termed as 'petty' unbecoming of a democracy and a would-be great power.
Such patronising and condescending editorials in the US mainstream press show how self-centred, narrow-minded and insular Americans can be, even those with a window on the world.
It is, of course, not petty for the US to magnify a minor wage dispute into a huge visa fraud issue, to agree to deport the maid at one stage in writing and then inexplicably change its mind because someone wanted to teach Indian diplomats a lesson and to ignore the judicial process against the maid in India.
The US has, of course, been above the kind of pettiness India has shown, in disregarding the fact that Dr Khobragade, seconded as an adviser to our UN delegation, enjoyed full diplomatic immunity, to keep the Indian government in the dark about its intentions towards her, to spirit away the maid's family two days before the arrest, to be unwilling to acknowledge that handcuffing and strip-searching a foreign woman diplomat is unacceptable, and, for the edification of outraged Indians, to differentiate between a visual examination of her cavities and digital insertion in them, as if the choice of the former is notably large-hearted.
By the same token, Secretary John Kerry has shown remarkable generosity in expressing regret over the incident, or the 'circumstances' of the incident as the US ambassador to India has said. In other words, the deputy consul general regrettably created the issue which forced the US to react against its better judgment.
The statement of the US ambassador was also inept, as it implied that the incident should be set aside and the two countries should now carry on business as usual. In other words, minimising the gravity of the incident.
Of course, all sensible persons would agree that this incident should not damage the bilateral relationship beyond all proportions.
India and the US are engaged in numerous dialogues on key strategic, geopolitical, defense, technology, economic, energy, educational and other issues.
The agenda is far-reaching. Yet, on this sensitive issue the dialogue between the two countries has dragged on unreasonably.
It is necessary to have a bilateral agreement on immunities for diplomats of the two countries working in consulates. The status of domestic staff accompanying our diplomats has to be clearly defined through a bilateral agreement.
Diplomatic ties must be restructured on the basis of strict reciprocity.
By being petty-minded on a minor legal issue, the US has neither conducted itself as a great power nor as India's strategic partner.
Kanwal Sibal is a former foreign secretary of India.


Indeed the hardwork put in over last 1 decade to bring India US closer has done great damage to Indo-US relations by this month long log jam ...
It has left bad after taste ....
as such India had difficulty in trusting true intentions towards India about its sudden warming up after decades of hostility and antagonism ....
and careless behavior of US authorities have damaged all the trust that was built and nurtured by Indian American community ...

Even if US trying to closer in last decade.All Indians see their intentions with suspicion.When US try to make any trade or defence deal with we can see a large number of parties in India oppose it.But when it is Russians all Indians welcomed it
simultaneously .This crisis single handedly destroy all effort.US strike in core part, IFS ,actually they determine foreign policy
they lost their trust towards US.Whatever gimmicks US try to show in future.not going help US in India
 
This case has been mishandled at many stages

I can't believe this happened totally because of activism of un-supervised lower US bureaucracy....The top US leadership such as John Kerry was in loop right since beginning ...

Exact reason why this situation was allowed to happen is not clear and is matter of great importance for India ...

If this is how US treats Indian concern publically then imagine what must be their stance in private ...

all hoopla hoo about Defining partnership of 21'st century is total crap !

Any way it is awakening call for our policy makers ...US reliability is itself in question .

How much importance we should give to US in our overall calculus needs to be reassessed .

As I have reiterated many times ...India needs to work out its plan without relying on any country ...more so about US !.

Even if US trying to closer in last decade.All Indians see their intentions with suspicion.When US try to make any trade or defence deal with we can see a large number of parties in India oppose it.But when it is Russians all Indians welcomed it
simultaneously .This crisis single handedly destroy all effort.US strike in core part, IFS ,actually they determine foreign policy
they lost their trust towards US.Whatever gimmicks US try to show in future.not going help US in India

Time to re think about our relations with US ...we had been cozying with them off late ...at times at cost of Russians .

Some realignment in our thoughts and actions is imperative ...

I am not able to grasp the exact reason why US allowed this situation to emerge ....but whatever may be the reason there appears to be more than meets the eye ....


Our intelligence and analyst guys need to find out what was the objective of US in allowing unraveling of Devyani case ...because it has important bearing on how we conduct our relations with US in future ....
 
Indo-us so called friendship was a bad marriage and had to end some time . there was a reason why India and usa never were in one camp for 50 years and recent warming up was for pure economics , I remember my Economics professor telling my class that US and India cannot work together for many reasons and he put up many valid points but my class disagreed with him . but many points he had put up still remains between two and it is unlikely we can work together in future too .

After decline of Britain , US wants a New " Yes Man" to support it global plans and India will never be Britian for USA .
 
Indo-us so called friendship was a bad marriage and had to end some time . there was a reason why India and usa never were in one camp for 50 years and recent warming up was for pure economics , I remember my Economics professor telling my class that US and India cannot work together for many reasons and he put up many valid points but my class disagreed with him . but many points he had put up still remains between two and it is unlikely we can work together in future too .

After decline of Britain , US wants a New " Yes Man" to support it global plans and India will never be Britian for USA .

As the articles have outlined ...the Devyani episode have exposed fault lines within Indo-US relations ...

This all likely begun last year ...when US was shocked to see itself out of competition in MMRCA deal ...Despite the political good will invested by US president when he personally wrote letter to Man Mohan Singh ...

The immediate resignation of US ambassador that followed was the first appearance of that US shock although it went un noticed in our media .

US expected India to play role that Pakistan played so long in Asia quite faithfully till last decade ( barring Pakistani double cross charted by Musharraf )... Unfortunately Indian's refusal to give up independent foreign policy to align itself with US interests was too much for US .

I am still not able to understand why US allowed this episode to happen ...and that is really bothersome .

We know the background ...but we don't know the exact direct reason why this episode was enacted by US ....
 
I can't believe this happened totally because of activism of un-supervised lower US bureaucracy....The top US leadership such as John Kerry was in loop right since beginning ...

Exact reason why this situation was allowed to happen is not clear and is matter of great importance for India ...

If this is how US treats Indian concern publically then imagine what must be their stance in private ...

all hoopla hoo about Defining partnership of 21'st century is total crap !

Any way it is awakening call for our policy makers ...US reliability is itself in question .

How much importance we should give to US in our overall calculus needs to be reassessed .

As I have reiterated many times ...India needs to work out its plan without relying on any country ...more so about US !.



Time to re think about our relations with US ...we had been cozying with them off late ...at times at cost of Russians .

Some realignment in our thoughts and actions is imperative ...

I am not able to grasp the exact reason why US allowed this situation to emerge ....but whatever may be the reason there appears to be more than meets the eye ....


Our intelligence and analyst guys need to find out what was the objective of US in allowing unraveling of Devyani case ...because it has important bearing on how we conduct our relations with US in future ....


We must keep a distance from US.I think our officals work for that in back door.
 

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