Deutsche Welle: A trip to Tehran

[Aramagedon]

So what your culture that ruined by Islam looks like?

The last time I checked it it was ok for the brother to marry his sister what a great culture.

Have they reached the moon have they discovered the electricity?

for millinia Iranian culture like any culture lives in darkness they never achieved something valuable.

Just like the European Chinese and Indian the human never made any progress until the birth of Islam within centuries the human civilization made all the progress so no nation need to boast about it's culture since all yours where nothing really matter even nomadic nations had a better culture at least with morality.

Mate ignore these idiots that have lived abroad and do not take this english forum too serious...

Tehran:

 

[Aramagedon]

 

[Aramagedon]

 

[Aramagedon]

 

[IR-TR]

So what your culture that ruined by Islam looks like?

The last time I checked it it was ok for the brother to marry his sister what a great culture.

Have they reached the moon have they discovered the electricity?

for millinia Iranian culture like any culture lives in darkness they never achieved something valuable.

Just like the European Chinese and Indian the human never made any progress until the birth of Islam within centuries the human civilization made all the progress so no nation need to boast about it's culture since all yours where nothing really matter even nomadic nations had a better culture at least with morality.

I don't know, whatever. In a sense you're quite right. Iran was big before islam, Iran was big after islam. I'm not religious, but it's indeed pathetic to blame everything on religion. I guess it was in the heat of the moment that I said that.

 

[scythian500]

So what your culture that ruined by Islam looks like?

The last time I checked it it was ok for the brother to marry his sister what a great culture.

Have they reached the moon have they discovered the electricity?

for millinia Iranian culture like any culture lives in darkness they never achieved something valuable.

Just like the European Chinese and Indian the human never made any progress until the birth of Islam within centuries the human civilization made all the progress so no nation need to boast about it's culture since all yours where nothing really matter even nomadic nations had a better culture at least with morality.

No, my friend... let us not mix up things... I like you and die defending my shia family (which includes you) but your statement is not correct in its biggest part. True that Islam brought a lot to humanity and Iran after Islam has golden age too.. but we must always be fair and see it from above. As you can see below, Iranian culture and all its components are somehow developed and got pulished both before and after Islam entering Iran. Although, I must say, Iranian overall culture improved a lot after Islam. It even improved even richer after Iran became a Shia nation.

There is a reason Obama stressed on huge/rich Iranian history and culture many times in his speeches, not saying his words are reference now, but unfortunately some of our friends here mixing up things in a way that it turns out to be a friendly fire at the end. You as an Iraqi share a big part of our Iranian history and culture. But after all I have to admit that If I ever have to choose between my culture and history or my shia family I would definitely choose Shia as this comes first at the moment for me. but when talking about culture please let's agree to disagree if after reading below info you are still on your instance.

Anyway, if you could give me your time for minutes and read below listed links I promise you will have a better understanding of Iran both pre and after Islam. We are like any other historical nations proud of our glorious past and culture and ashamed of some of the dark points in our history.

Please read below links and then if you still believe the same then God bless you brother:

Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (the culture related parts)
Culture of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you don't have time then I listed its highlights below;

Culture[edit]

As the first sentence of Richard Nelson Frye's Greater Iran reads, "Iran's prize possession has been its culture."[284]
The Sassanid era was an important and influential historical period in Iran as Iranian culture influenced Roman civilization, China and also other parts of Asia considerably,[285] and so influenced as far as Western Europe and Africa.[286]

This influence played a prominent role in the formation of both Asiatic and European medieval art.[287] This influence carried forward to the Islamic world. Much of what later became known as Islamic learning, such as philology, literature, jurisprudence, philosophy, medicine,architecture and the sciences were based on some of the practises taken from the Sassanid Persians.[288][289][290]

Art[edit]



Iranian art has one of the richest art heritages in world history and encompasses many disciplines including architecture, painting,weaving, pottery, calligraphy, metalworking and stonemasonry. There is also a very vibrant Iranian modern and contemporary art scene.

Carpet-weaving is undoubtedly one of the most distinguished manifestations of Persian culture and art, and dates back to ancient Persia and the Bronze Age. Iran is the world's largest producer and exporter of handmade carpets, producing three quarters of the world's total output and having a share of 30% of world's export markets.[292][293]

Architecture[edit]

According to Persian historian and archaeologist Arthur Pope, the supreme Iranian art, in the proper meaning of the word, has always been its architecture. The supremacy of architecture applies to both pre-and post-Islamic periods.[294] The history of architecture of Iran goes back to the seventh millennium BC.

Iranian architecture generally displays great variety, both structural and aesthetic, developing gradually and coherently out of earlier traditions and experience. Without sudden innovations, and despite the repeated trauma of invasions and cultural shocks, it has achieved "an individuality distinct from that of other Muslim countries".[295] Its paramount virtues are several: "a marked feeling for form and scale; structural inventiveness, especially in vault and dome construction; a genius for decoration with a freedom and success not rivaled in any other architecture".[296]

Persians were among the first to use mathematics, geometry, and astronomy in architecture and also have extraordinary skills in making massive domes which can be seen frequently in the structure of bazaars and mosques. This greatly inspired the architecture of Iran's neighbors as well. The main building types of classical Iranian architecture are the mosque and the palace. Iran ranks seventh among countries in the world with the most archeological architectural ruins and attractions from antiquity as recognized by UNESCO.[297] Fifteen of UNESCO's World Heritage Sites are creations of Iranian architecture.

• 
  The ruins of Persepolis
• 
  
  
• 
  Entrance gate to the Shah Mosque in Isfahan
• 
  
  
• 
  Nasir ol Molk Mosque
  

Persian literature is one of the world's oldest literatures. It dates back to the poetry of Avesta, about 1000 years BC. These poems which were a part of the oral traditions of ancient Iran, were orally transferred, and later created parts of the Avesta’s book during the Sassanid era. Its sources have been within historical Persia where the Persian language has historically been the national language.

Persian literature inspired Goethe, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and many others, and it has been often dubbed as a most worthy language to serve as a conduit for poetry. Dialects of Persian are sporadically spoken throughout the region from China to Syria to Russia, though mainly in the Iranian Plateau.[298][299]

Poetry is used in many Persian classical works, whether from literature, science, or metaphysics. Persian literature has been considered by such thinkers as Goethe as one of the four main bodies of world literature.[300]

The Persian language has produced a number of famous poets; however, only a few poets as Rumi and Omar Khayyám have surfaced among western popular readership, even though the likes of Hafez, Saadi, Nizami,[301] Attar, Sanai, Nasir Khusraw and Jami are considered by many Iranians to be just as influential.[citation needed]

Philosophy[edit]

Iranian philosophy can be traced back as far as to Old Iranian philosophical traditions and thoughts which originated in ancient Indo-Iranian roots and were considerably influenced by Zarathustra's teachings. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, the chronology of the subject and science of philosophy starts with the Indo-Iranians, dating this event to 1500 BC. The Oxford dictionary also states, "Zarathushtra's philosophy entered to influence Western tradition through Judaism, and therefore onMiddle Platonism."

Throughout Iranian history and due to remarkable political and social changes such as the Arab and Mongol invasions of Persia, a wide spectrum of schools of thoughts showed a variety of views on philosophical questions extending from Old Iranian and mainly Zoroastrianism-related traditions, to schools appearing in the late pre-Islamic era such as Manicheism andMazdakism as well as various post-Islamic schools.

Iranian philosophy after the Muslim conquest of Persia, is characterized by different interactions with the Old Iranian philosophy, the Greek philosophy and with the development ofIslamic philosophy. The Illumination School and the Transcendent Philosophy are regarded as two of the main philosophical traditions of that era in Persia.

Mythology[edit]

Persian mythology are traditional tales and stories of ancient origin, all involving extraordinary or supernatural beings. Drawn from the legendary past of Iran, they reflect the attitudes of the society to which they first belonged - attitudes towards the confrontation of good and evil, the actions of the gods, yazats (lesser gods), and the exploits of heroes and fabulous creatures.


Theater[edit]

Theater background in Persia goes back to antiquity (641–1000 BC).

The first initiation of theater and phenomena of acting in people of the land could be traced in the ceremonial theaters which were performed to glorify the heroes and humiliate the enemies, like Soug e Sivash or Mogh Koshi (Megakhouni), and also dances and theater narrations, and the musical history of mythological and love stories reported byHerodotos and Xenophon.

There were many dramatic performance arts popular before the advent of cinema in Persia. A few examples include Kheyme Shab Bazi (Puppetry), Saye Bazi (Shadow play),Rouhozi (Comical acts) and Tazieh (Martyr plays).

Rostam o Sohrab is an example of the opera performances in the modern day Iran.

Music[edit]

Iranian music, as evidenced by the archeological records of Elam in southwestern Iran, dates back thousands of years. In ancient Iran musicians held socially respectable positions. The Elamites and the Achaemenids certainly made use of musicians.

The history of the musical performance in Sassanid Iran is, however, better documented than earlier periods. This is specially more evident in the context of Zoroastrian ritual.[303] By the time of Xusro Parviz the Sassanid royal court was the host of prominent musicians such as Ramtin, Bamshad, Nakisa, Azad, Sarkash, and Barbad.

Persian symphonic music has a long history. In fact Opera originated from Persia, much before its emergence in Europe. Iranians traditionally performed Tazieh, which in many respects resembles the European Opera.[305] Iran's main orchestra include National Orchestra, Tehran Symphony Orchestra, and Nations Orchestra.

Some Iranian traditional music instruments include the Saz, Iranian Tar, Azerbaijani Tar, Dotar, Setar, Kamanche, Harp, Barbat, Santur, Tanbur, Qanun, Dap, Tompak (Goblet drum), and Ney.

Cinema and animation[edit]



The earliest examples of visual representations in Iranian history may be traced back to the bas-reliefs in Persepolis (c. 500 BC). Persepolis was the ritual center of the ancient kingdom of Achaemenids and the figures at Persepolis remain bound by the rules of grammar and syntax of visual language.[306] During the Sasanian reign, Iranian visual arts reached a pinnacle. A bas-relief from this period in Taq e Bostan depicts a complex hunting scene. Similar works from the period have been found to articulate movements and actions in a highly sophisticated manner. It is even possible to see a progenitor of the cinema close-up in one of these works of art, which shows a wounded wild pig escaping from the hunting ground.[307]



Reproduction of world’s oldest example of animation which belongs to late half of 3rd millennium BC, found inBurnt City, Iran.
The oldest records of animation in Iran date back to the late half of 3rd millennium BC. An earthen goblet discovered at the site of the 5,200-year-old Burnt City in southeastern Iran, depicts what could possibly be the world’s oldest example of animation. The artifact bears five sequential images depicting a Persian Desert Ibex jumping up to eat the leaves of a tree.[313][314]

Even today, with 300 international awards in the past 10 years, Iranian films continue to be celebrated worldwide. The best known Persian directors areAbbas Kiarostami, Majid Majidi, and Asghar Farhadi.

Cuisine[edit]
Main article: Iranian cuisine
Cuisine in Iran is considered to be one of the most ancient forms of cuisine around the world. Bread is arguably the most important food in Iran, with a large variety of different bread, some of the most popular of which include: nan and hamir, which are baked in large clay ovens (also called "tenurs"). In Iranian cuisine, there are many dishes that are made from dairy products. One of the most popular of which includes yoghurt ("mast")—which has a specific fermentation process that is widely put to use amongst most Iranians. In addition, mast is used to make soup and is vital in the production of oil. In addition to these dairy products, Iranian cuisine involves a lot of dishes cooked from rice. Some popular rice dishes include boiled rice with a variety of ingredients such as meats, vegetables, and seasonings ("plov") including dishes like chelo-horesh, shish kebab with rice, chelo-kebab, rice with lamb, meatballs with rice, and kofte (plain boiled rice). In addition, Iranian cuisine is famous for its sweets. One of the most famous of which includes "baklava" with almonds, cardamom, and egg yolks. Iranian sweets typically involve the use of honey, cinnamon, lime juice, and sprouted wheat grain. One very popular dessert drink in Iran, "sherbet sharbat-portagal", is made from a mixture of orange peel and orange juice boiled in thin sugar syrup and diluted with rose water. Just like the people of many Middle Eastern countries the most preferred drink of the people of Iran is tea (without milk) or "kakhve-khana".[11]

I don't know, whatever. In a sense you're quite right. Iran was big before islam, Iran was big after islam. I'm not religious, but it's indeed pathetic to blame everything on religion. I guess it was in the heat of the moment that I said that.

that's the spirit that I adore... you're a decent guy.. I like you ... although we have a lot of differences in beliefs... but I stress on our commonalities...

 

[Malik Alashter]

No, my friend... let us not mix up things... I like you and die defending my shia family (which includes you) but your statement is not correct in its biggest part. True that Islam brought a lot to humanity and Iran after Islam has golden age too.. but we must always be fair and see it from above. As you can see below, Iranian culture and all its components are somehow developed and got pulished both before and after Islam entering Iran. Although, I must say, Iranian overall culture improved a lot after Islam. It even improved even richer after Iran became a Shia nation.

There is a reason Obama stressed on huge/rich Iranian history and culture many times in his speeches, not saying his words are reference now, but unfortunately some of our friends here mixing up things in a way that it turns out to be a friendly fire at the end. You as an Iraqi share a big part of our Iranian history and culture. But after all I have to admit that If I ever have to choose between my culture and history or my shia family I would definitely choose Shia as this comes first at the moment for me. but when talking about culture please let's agree to disagree if after reading below info you are still on your instance.

Anyway, if you could give me your time for minutes and read below listed links I promise you will have a better understanding of Iran both pre and after Islam. We are like any other historical nations proud of our glorious past and culture and ashamed of some of the dark points in our history.

Please read below links and then if you still believe the same then God bless you brother:

Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (the culture related parts)
Culture of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you don't have time then I listed its highlights below;

Culture[edit]

As the first sentence of Richard Nelson Frye's Greater Iran reads, "Iran's prize possession has been its culture."[284]
The Sassanid era was an important and influential historical period in Iran as Iranian culture influenced Roman civilization, China and also other parts of Asia considerably,[285] and so influenced as far as Western Europe and Africa.[286]

This influence played a prominent role in the formation of both Asiatic and European medieval art.[287] This influence carried forward to the Islamic world. Much of what later became known as Islamic learning, such as philology, literature, jurisprudence, philosophy, medicine,architecture and the sciences were based on some of the practises taken from the Sassanid Persians.[288][289][290]

Art[edit]



Iranian art has one of the richest art heritages in world history and encompasses many disciplines including architecture, painting,weaving, pottery, calligraphy, metalworking and stonemasonry. There is also a very vibrant Iranian modern and contemporary art scene.

Carpet-weaving is undoubtedly one of the most distinguished manifestations of Persian culture and art, and dates back to ancient Persia and the Bronze Age. Iran is the world's largest producer and exporter of handmade carpets, producing three quarters of the world's total output and having a share of 30% of world's export markets.[292][293]

Architecture[edit]

According to Persian historian and archaeologist Arthur Pope, the supreme Iranian art, in the proper meaning of the word, has always been its architecture. The supremacy of architecture applies to both pre-and post-Islamic periods.[294] The history of architecture of Iran goes back to the seventh millennium BC.

Iranian architecture generally displays great variety, both structural and aesthetic, developing gradually and coherently out of earlier traditions and experience. Without sudden innovations, and despite the repeated trauma of invasions and cultural shocks, it has achieved "an individuality distinct from that of other Muslim countries".[295] Its paramount virtues are several: "a marked feeling for form and scale; structural inventiveness, especially in vault and dome construction; a genius for decoration with a freedom and success not rivaled in any other architecture".[296]

Persians were among the first to use mathematics, geometry, and astronomy in architecture and also have extraordinary skills in making massive domes which can be seen frequently in the structure of bazaars and mosques. This greatly inspired the architecture of Iran's neighbors as well. The main building types of classical Iranian architecture are the mosque and the palace. Iran ranks seventh among countries in the world with the most archeological architectural ruins and attractions from antiquity as recognized by UNESCO.[297] Fifteen of UNESCO's World Heritage Sites are creations of Iranian architecture.

• 
  The ruins of Persepolis
• 
  
  
• 
  Entrance gate to the Shah Mosque in Isfahan
• 
  
  
• 
  Nasir ol Molk Mosque

Persian literature is one of the world's oldest literatures. It dates back to the poetry of Avesta, about 1000 years BC. These poems which were a part of the oral traditions of ancient Iran, were orally transferred, and later created parts of the Avesta’s book during the Sassanid era. Its sources have been within historical Persia where the Persian language has historically been the national language.

Persian literature inspired Goethe, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and many others, and it has been often dubbed as a most worthy language to serve as a conduit for poetry. Dialects of Persian are sporadically spoken throughout the region from China to Syria to Russia, though mainly in the Iranian Plateau.[298][299]

Poetry is used in many Persian classical works, whether from literature, science, or metaphysics. Persian literature has been considered by such thinkers as Goethe as one of the four main bodies of world literature.[300]

The Persian language has produced a number of famous poets; however, only a few poets as Rumi and Omar Khayyám have surfaced among western popular readership, even though the likes of Hafez, Saadi, Nizami,[301] Attar, Sanai, Nasir Khusraw and Jami are considered by many Iranians to be just as influential.[citation needed]

Philosophy[edit]

Iranian philosophy can be traced back as far as to Old Iranian philosophical traditions and thoughts which originated in ancient Indo-Iranian roots and were considerably influenced by Zarathustra's teachings. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, the chronology of the subject and science of philosophy starts with the Indo-Iranians, dating this event to 1500 BC. The Oxford dictionary also states, "Zarathushtra's philosophy entered to influence Western tradition through Judaism, and therefore onMiddle Platonism."

Throughout Iranian history and due to remarkable political and social changes such as the Arab and Mongol invasions of Persia, a wide spectrum of schools of thoughts showed a variety of views on philosophical questions extending from Old Iranian and mainly Zoroastrianism-related traditions, to schools appearing in the late pre-Islamic era such as Manicheism andMazdakism as well as various post-Islamic schools.

Iranian philosophy after the Muslim conquest of Persia, is characterized by different interactions with the Old Iranian philosophy, the Greek philosophy and with the development ofIslamic philosophy. The Illumination School and the Transcendent Philosophy are regarded as two of the main philosophical traditions of that era in Persia.

Mythology[edit]

Persian mythology are traditional tales and stories of ancient origin, all involving extraordinary or supernatural beings. Drawn from the legendary past of Iran, they reflect the attitudes of the society to which they first belonged - attitudes towards the confrontation of good and evil, the actions of the gods, yazats (lesser gods), and the exploits of heroes and fabulous creatures.


Theater[edit]

Theater background in Persia goes back to antiquity (641–1000 BC).

The first initiation of theater and phenomena of acting in people of the land could be traced in the ceremonial theaters which were performed to glorify the heroes and humiliate the enemies, like Soug e Sivash or Mogh Koshi (Megakhouni), and also dances and theater narrations, and the musical history of mythological and love stories reported byHerodotos and Xenophon.

There were many dramatic performance arts popular before the advent of cinema in Persia. A few examples include Kheyme Shab Bazi (Puppetry), Saye Bazi (Shadow play),Rouhozi (Comical acts) and Tazieh (Martyr plays).

Rostam o Sohrab is an example of the opera performances in the modern day Iran.

Music[edit]

Iranian music, as evidenced by the archeological records of Elam in southwestern Iran, dates back thousands of years. In ancient Iran musicians held socially respectable positions. The Elamites and the Achaemenids certainly made use of musicians.

The history of the musical performance in Sassanid Iran is, however, better documented than earlier periods. This is specially more evident in the context of Zoroastrian ritual.[303] By the time of Xusro Parviz the Sassanid royal court was the host of prominent musicians such as Ramtin, Bamshad, Nakisa, Azad, Sarkash, and Barbad.

Persian symphonic music has a long history. In fact Opera originated from Persia, much before its emergence in Europe. Iranians traditionally performed Tazieh, which in many respects resembles the European Opera.[305] Iran's main orchestra include National Orchestra, Tehran Symphony Orchestra, and Nations Orchestra.

Some Iranian traditional music instruments include the Saz, Iranian Tar, Azerbaijani Tar, Dotar, Setar, Kamanche, Harp, Barbat, Santur, Tanbur, Qanun, Dap, Tompak (Goblet drum), and Ney.

Cinema and animation[edit]



The earliest examples of visual representations in Iranian history may be traced back to the bas-reliefs in Persepolis (c. 500 BC). Persepolis was the ritual center of the ancient kingdom of Achaemenids and the figures at Persepolis remain bound by the rules of grammar and syntax of visual language.[306] During the Sasanian reign, Iranian visual arts reached a pinnacle. A bas-relief from this period in Taq e Bostan depicts a complex hunting scene. Similar works from the period have been found to articulate movements and actions in a highly sophisticated manner. It is even possible to see a progenitor of the cinema close-up in one of these works of art, which shows a wounded wild pig escaping from the hunting ground.[307]



Reproduction of world’s oldest example of animation which belongs to late half of 3rd millennium BC, found inBurnt City, Iran.
The oldest records of animation in Iran date back to the late half of 3rd millennium BC. An earthen goblet discovered at the site of the 5,200-year-old Burnt City in southeastern Iran, depicts what could possibly be the world’s oldest example of animation. The artifact bears five sequential images depicting a Persian Desert Ibex jumping up to eat the leaves of a tree.[313][314]

Even today, with 300 international awards in the past 10 years, Iranian films continue to be celebrated worldwide. The best known Persian directors areAbbas Kiarostami, Majid Majidi, and Asghar Farhadi.

Cuisine[edit]
Main article: Iranian cuisine
Cuisine in Iran is considered to be one of the most ancient forms of cuisine around the world. Bread is arguably the most important food in Iran, with a large variety of different bread, some of the most popular of which include: nan and hamir, which are baked in large clay ovens (also called "tenurs"). In Iranian cuisine, there are many dishes that are made from dairy products. One of the most popular of which includes yoghurt ("mast")—which has a specific fermentation process that is widely put to use amongst most Iranians. In addition, mast is used to make soup and is vital in the production of oil. In addition to these dairy products, Iranian cuisine involves a lot of dishes cooked from rice. Some popular rice dishes include boiled rice with a variety of ingredients such as meats, vegetables, and seasonings ("plov") including dishes like chelo-horesh, shish kebab with rice, chelo-kebab, rice with lamb, meatballs with rice, and kofte (plain boiled rice). In addition, Iranian cuisine is famous for its sweets. One of the most famous of which includes "baklava" with almonds, cardamom, and egg yolks. Iranian sweets typically involve the use of honey, cinnamon, lime juice, and sprouted wheat grain. One very popular dessert drink in Iran, "sherbet sharbat-portagal", is made from a mixture of orange peel and orange juice boiled in thin sugar syrup and diluted with rose water. Just like the people of many Middle Eastern countries the most preferred drink of the people of Iran is tea (without milk) or "kakhve-khana".[11]


that's the spirit that I adore... you're a decent guy.. I like you ... although we have a lot of differences in beliefs... but I stress on our commonalities...

Bro with all due respect to Iran and it's prior to Islam culture.

Yes it was rich no doubt but Islam didn't ruin it at all.

Our Islam don't ask people to leave the good and bright side of their culture Islam is by itself is a culture that formed by the influence of the other cultures for instance Persians and Kurds may be some others celebrating the Naworoz day which is not Islamic event.

Muslims weather Arab or none Arab all benefited from the Iranian culture this is something normal but absolutely never destroyed it.

 

[Madali]

Bro with all due respect to Iran and it's prior to Islam culture.

Yes it was rich no doubt but Islam didn't ruin it at all.

Our Islam don't ask people to leave the good and bight side of their culture Islam is by itself is a culture that formed by the influence of the other cultures for instance Persians and Kurds may be some others celebrating the Naworoz day which is not Islamic event.

Muslims weather Arab or none Arab all benefited from the Iranian culture this is something normal but absolutely never destroyed it.

Sometimes people like to go to extremes. Either they say, "Everything good started AFTER ISLAM!!" or they say "Islam destroyed all that was good!" without understanding that it is neither extreme.

Iran had a lot of great achievements before Islam, but when we had muslims attack our country, it was a shitty period for us. Before Islam even came to Iran, the dynasty at that time was at a decline. Over a period of 14 years, there were 12 kings! Someone would come on top, he would be gotten rid of, and a new guy would reign, and so on. The last king of this dynasty was Yazdegard who was...8 years old and Arabs attacked when he was 9 years old. Even if they hadn't attacked, the dynasty would have fallen anyway, because it was collapsing.

So, at that particular time, we weren't doing so fantastic, for us to be really going "oh woooeeee our poor empire".

The strength of our people is not this king or that king, or this religion or that religion, is that, in the long term, the stability and coherence is always there. Iran always remains. Not a land of Persians or Zorastarians or whatever some diaspora like to imagine our country as, but Iran, a land for Iranians, that's it.

It's strange that after more than a thousand year, we have some Iranians complaining about our "Arab religion", but you don't see Europeans complaining about a middle eastern religion (Christianity) and trying to go back to their true religion (Zeus or whatever).

What's even more stupid is that the Iranians who talk about pre-Islam, don't actually follow the Zoroastrian religion, aside from wearing an amulet to look cooler. Go read the Avesta and follow the stricture, it's not a dead religion, no one is saying you can't be a Zartosht.

 

[Aramagedon]

Bro with all due respect to Iran and it's prior to Islam culture.

Yes it was rich no doubt but Islam didn't ruin it at all.

Our Islam don't ask people to leave the good and bight side of their culture Islam is by itself is a culture that formed by the influence of the other cultures for instance Persians and Kurds may be some others celebrating the Naworoz day which is not Islamic event.

Muslims weather Arab or none Arab all benefited from the Iranian culture this is something normal but absolutely never destroyed it.

The fuuny thing is that Iranians lived in heavy injustice at time of Sasanian empire especially after khosro parviz. Achaemenid and Parthian empires were great empires but the kings of of Sasanian empire did not treat their people well. For example Shapur zol aktaf an Iranian general invaded arabs frequently and killed a big number of them and captured another huge number and he used to bore their shoulders and use them as slaves. And that's why arabs called him Shapur zol altar (which means Shapur owner of shoulders). Also as I said they didn't treat their people well either. Iranians did not help Sasanian empire to fight against arabs and Sasanian empire had a limited number of soldiers. Before invasion of arabs many civil wars had occurred against Sasanian empire.
These Iranians on internet that say arabs have destroyed our country know 0 about history and most of them have lived and born abroad.
They think that Iran was paradise at time of Sasanian empire.

 

[scythian500]

Bro with all due respect to Iran and it's prior to Islam culture.

Yes it was rich no doubt but Islam didn't ruin it at all.

Our Islam don't ask people to leave the good and bight side of their culture Islam is by itself is a culture that formed by the influence of the other cultures for instance Persians and Kurds may be some others celebrating the Naworoz day which is not Islamic event.

Muslims weather Arab or none Arab all benefited from the Iranian culture this is something normal but absolutely never destroyed it.

I agree ya khayyi

Shapur zol altar

shapur zol aktaf

Not a land of Persians or Zorastarians or whatever some diaspora like to imagine our country as, but Iran, a land for Iranians, that's it.

bravo.. I'm proud of you

 

[Aramagedon]

I agree ya khayyi


shapur zol aktaf

I have written it correctly in the first time. (کتف > اکتاف) and the second time is not my fault but my keyboard's dictionary fault.
من نبودم دستم بود تقصیر آستينم بود
خخخخخخخخخ

Not a land of Persians or Zorastarians or whatever some diaspora like to imagine our country as, but Iran, a land for Iranians, that's it.

Great

 

[scythian500]

Bro with all due respect to Iran and it's prior to Islam culture.

Yes it was rich no doubt but Islam didn't ruin it at all.

Our Islam don't ask people to leave the good and bight side of their culture Islam is by itself is a culture that formed by the influence of the other cultures for instance Persians and Kurds may be some others celebrating the Naworoz day which is not Islamic event.

Muslims weather Arab or none Arab all benefited from the Iranian culture this is something normal but absolutely never destroyed it.

من وین انت یا خیی یا مالک؟ من اییه مدینه بالعراق؟

 

[Malik Alashter]

من وین انت یا خیی یا مالک؟ من اییه مدینه بالعراق؟

انا من النجف الاشرف يا اخي مدينة امير المومنين عليه عليه

انت من وين يا طيب.

 

[scythian500]

انا من النجف الاشرف يا اخي مدينة امير المومنين عليه عليه

انت من وين يا طيب.

به به... چه شهری... خوش به حالت...من همیشه دوست داشتم یه سفر یه ماهه به نجف داشته باشم

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وانا عایش هن... بمشهد هله.. یاریت عندی حظ... بدی استقر هناک بمدینتک لشهر ... بس ناطرین لحد هله...حتی تکون نجف اکثر امنا لایرانین...شرفنا عالقدوم عمشهد اذا بدک..فینا نفرج
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