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Detected, Intercepted & Denied! Busting the myth of Indian Airforce attack on Balakot, Pakistan.

A separate thread should be created on the IAF attack and PAF response.

One thing that not many are focusing on is that PAF jets (even by Indian admission) went inside India, neutralizing India’s mythical collection of Russian and Israeli air defense systems and targeted Indian military installations and jets. This main point is being overlooked.

Where were the S-300s, Green Arrows and host of other Russian and Israeli air defense systems India and Indians habitually used to brag about as being impregnable wall that PAF could never penetrate?

Every single Indian lie has been destroyed
These are additional(but important...very important) details that indeed do shine some light on India's air defenses. However I'm currently more interested in establishing facts regarding the claims made by both sides over the past few days. For some reason despite all the evidence coming out of Pak's side backing up their claims...Indians are still convinced of the narrative they are fed without any solid evidence. So it would be very handy and convincing(I hope) for Indian members if all of it could be compiled into one place rather than scrolling through pages and pages of various different threads.

On a separate note regarding the air defenses...there is no air defense system that has 100% kill probability. Not even countries like US/Russia/Western European countries have any such systems. Even if one could theoretically develop such a system...still that system would have to contend with counter measures. For every system on the battlefield there is a counter. Things like stealth(to avoid getting detected), EW/jamming(F18 Growler's wild weasel approach), stand off weapons, or simply giving the system too many targets to shoot at like a barrage of cruise missile...all these will either destroy the air defense system or create an opening for its destruction. In the future there will be some other counters like MALD(near future), and drone swarms(somewhat distant future). It's flawed logic to consider any weapon absolute. If air defense systems were so perfect then countries around the world would stop buying fighter jets.
 
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Imran khan was very angry they damage 15 trees of him . He worked very hard to grow 1 billion trees
IAF's message to Imran Khan
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A separate thread should be created on the IAF attack and PAF response.

One thing that not many are focusing on is that PAF jets (even by Indian admission) went inside India, neutralizing India’s mythical collection of Russian and Israeli air defense systems and targeted Indian military installations and jets. This main point is being overlooked.

Where were the S-300s, Green Arrows and host of other Russian and Israeli air defense systems India and Indians habitually used to brag about as being impregnable wall that PAF could never penetrate?

Every single Indian lie has been destroyed
its not the gun its the man behind the gun!!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only visible damage on <a href="https://twitter.com/planetlabs?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@planetlabs</a> satellite imagery was to a patch of trees near the target area. <a href="https://t.co/BWPKdSwurS">pic.twitter.com/BWPKdSwurS</a></p>&mdash; Michael J. Sheldon (@Michael1Sheldon) <a href=" ">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Indians are going crazy after him on Twitter for exposing this. Go on there guys and give him a big Thumbs Up. :tup::tup::tup::tup::tup::tup::tup::tup::tup:

The mad lying bollywood Indians are up to no good as usual...

Indians are renowned for being the biggest snowflakes across the globe and especially on the internet. I kid you not once a video by Motorcycledotcom reviewed an Indian made KTM bike and just merely stated that the build quality is not upto par, now I own several bikes including KTM's and the one made in India is utter garbage. Indians went crazy after him, they literally couldnt accept that he dared to call something made in India as not up to the par.

Them getting mad at others for telling the truth and not agreeing with their BS narrative shouldnt surprise anyone.

A separate thread should be created on the IAF attack and PAF response.

One thing that not many are focusing on is that PAF jets (even by Indian admission) went inside India, neutralizing India’s mythical collection of Russian and Israeli air defense systems and targeted Indian military installations and jets. This main point is being overlooked.

Where were the S-300s, Green Arrows and host of other Russian and Israeli air defense systems India and Indians habitually used to brag about as being impregnable wall that PAF could never penetrate?

Every single Indian lie has been destroyed

Nice idea, I did read that Indians were activating their SAMs across the border with Pakistan, yet it seems none of them were fired or if fired scored any kills.

These are additional(but important...very important) details that indeed do shine some light on India's air defenses. However I'm currently more interested in establishing facts regarding the claims made by both sides over the past few days. For some reason despite all the evidence coming out of Pak's side backing up their claims...Indians are still convinced of the narrative they are fed without any solid evidence. So it would be very handy and convincing(I hope) for Indian members if all of it could be compiled into one place rather than scrolling through pages and pages of various different threads.

Lets not care about what Indians think or rather feel. They have demonstrated without shadow of doubt they are not living in the real world anymore, and even when reality hit them in the face they are not ready to accept it. Ignore them.


On a separate note regarding the air defenses...there is no air defense system that has 100% kill probability. Not even countries like US/Russia/Western European countries have any such systems. Even if one could theoretically develop such a system...still that system would have to contend with counter measures. For every system on the battlefield there is a counter. Things like stealth(to avoid getting detected), EW/jamming(F18 Growler's wild weasel approach), stand off weapons, or simply giving the system too many targets to shoot at like a barrage of cruise missile...all these will either destroy the air defense system or create an opening for its destruction. In the future there will be some other counters like MALD(near future), and drone swarms(somewhat distant future). It's flawed logic to consider any weapon absolute. If air defense systems were so perfect then countries around the world would stop buying fighter jets.

As time passes Pakistan must release further evidence of air raid and how JF-17 baited and shot down two Indian jets. This will help JF-17 to establish as a reputable platform, from now onwards we should stop giving a hoot about India and how they feel about JF-17. It clearly sent their jets flaming down.

This picture should be enough to conclude 'indian media' and what it feeds to its public.
I agree with this picture so much Im making it profile picture.

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Tell me this is a real shirt, all Paksitanis should buy it and wear it. Make it a hit guys, I mean it lol.
 
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JABA, Pakistan (Reuters) - The only confirmed victim of India’s air strike against Pakistan is still unsure why he was shaken awake in the early hours of Tuesday by an explosion that rocked his mud brick house and left him with a cut above his right eye.


Pakistan army soldier walks near to the crater where Indian military aircrafts released payload in Jaba village, Balakot, Pakistan February 28, 2019. REUTERS/Asif Shahzad

They say they wanted to hit some terrorists. What terrorists can you see here?” said 62-year-old Nooran Shah, a resident of Jaba village, near the northeastern town of Balakot in Pakistan’s Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

We are here. Are we terrorists?”


India says Tuesday’s raid destroyed a major training camp of Jaish-e Mohammad, a militant group that claimed responsibility for a Feb. 14 attack in Indian-controlled Kashmir that killed 40 members of a paramilitary police unit.

India’s Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale said the strike killed “a very large number of Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorists, trainers, senior commanders, and groups of jihadis who were being trained for Fidayeen action were eliminated.” Fidayeen is a term used to describe Islamist militants on suicide missions.

Another senior government official told reporters that about 300 militants had been killed.


On Thursday, though, a senior defense official appeared to backtrack on the claims. Asked about how much damage the warplanes had caused, Air Vice Marshal R.G.K. Kapoor said it was “premature” to provide details about casualties. But he said the Indian armed forces had “fairly credible evidence” of the damage inflicted on the camp by the air strikes.

India’s previous death toll estimates have been rubbished by Pakistan, which says the operation was a failure that saw Indian jets bomb a largely empty hillside without hurting anyone.


It isn’t clear whether the discrepancy in claims will become a factor as Prime Minister Narendra Modi seeks a second term in India’s general election, which must be held by May. There has been little sign as yet of the opposition pushing the government and the armed forces for more evidence of the mission’s results.

On the wooded slopes above Jaba, villagers pointed to four bomb craters and some splintered pine trees, but could see little other impact from the series of explosions that blasted them awake at around 3.00 a.m.


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“It shook everything,” said Abdur Rasheed, who drives a pickup van around the area. He said there weren’t any human casualties: “No one died. Only some pine trees died, they were cut down. A crow also died.”

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Jaba is set in a thickly wooded area of hills and streams that opens the way to the scenic Kaghan valley, a popular holiday destination for Pakistani tourists. It is a little over 60 km (37 miles) from Abbottabad, the garrison town where Osama Bin Laden was killed by American Special Forces in 2011.


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Locals say 400 to 500 people live locally, scattered across hills in mudbrick homes. Reuters spoke to about 15 people, none of whom knew of any casualties apart from Nooran Shah.

“I haven’t seen any dead bodies, only a local who was hurt by something or hit by some window, he was hurt,” said Abdur Rasheed, echoing numerous others.

In Basic Health Unit, Jaba, the nearest hospital, Mohammad Saddique, an official who was on duty on the night of the attack, also dismissed claims of major casualties.

“It is just a lie. It is rubbish,” he said. “We didn’t receive even a single injured person. Only one person got slightly hurt and he was treated there. Even he wasn’t brought here.”


In Balakot, a town largely rebuilt after an earthquake in 2005, Zia Ul Haq, senior medical officer in Tehsil Headquarters Hospital said no casualties had been brought in on Tuesday.

People in the area said Jaish-e Mohammad did have a presence, running not an active training camp but a madrassa, or religious school, about one km from where the bombs fell.

“It is Taleem ul Quran madrassa. The kids from the village study there. There is no training,” said Nooran Shah.

A sign which had been up earlier in the week identifying the madrassa’s affiliation to Jaish-e Mohammad had been removed by Thursday and soldiers prevented reporters from gaining access.


But it was possible to see the structure from the back. It appeared intact, like the trees surrounding it, with no sign of any damage of the kind seen near the bomb craters.

Western diplomats in Islamabad also said they did not believe the Indian air force hit a militant camp.

“There was no militant training camp there. It hasn’t been there for a few years – they moved it. It’s common knowledge amongst our intelligence,” said one of them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-kashmir-village-idUSKCN1QH298?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c7837f74b73850001dc3b68&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
 
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One thing that I can extract from this whole conflict is that indians don't know how to engage with an enemy.
 
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guys Waite for Bollywood trash come up soon with evidence:coffee:
 
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One thing that not many are focusing on is that PAF jets (even by Indian admission) went inside India, neutralizing India’s mythical collection of Russian and Israeli air defense systems and targeted Indian military installations and jets. This main point is being overlooked.

Where were the S-300s, Green Arrows and host of other Russian and Israeli air defense systems India and Indians habitually used to brag about as being impregnable wall that PAF could never penetrate?

Every single Indian lie has been destroyed
Indian response would be: we are waiting for the delivery of S400
 
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