Detailed pics of new POF guns!!

[The_Sidewinder]

The modified G3:

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G3S

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The modified MG3

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The DMR:

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SOME DETAILS:
Pakistani POF group demonstrated in Istanbul modernized rifle G3M, as well as the modification of ukaemu MG3. This first replace the arming of Pakistan Army G3A3 and G3P4.
Comparison of the standard rifle of Pakistan Army G3A3 with a modernized model G3M. In this latter case, the modified trigger mechanism, reducing the trigger force at 1.8 kg. For now, the military has ordered seven thousand. modernized design / Photo: Remigiusz Wolf

The main armament individual Pakistani army remains, produced from the 1960s to the license of the German H & K by the state-owned POF (Pakistan Ordnance Factories) G3 rifle variant of G3A3 with the butt of constant and G3P4 with retractable butt (local variant of the G3A4). This weapon is a powerful energy-powered rifle cartridge 7.62 mm x 51.
G3M during military tests. The efficient muzzle brake allows for faster directing barrel after a shot on goal and significantly reduced the scatter gun / Photo: ISPR / Hilal

Industry tried to encourage the army and troops paramiltarne to buy rifles to ammunition indirect. POF has developed even in the years 2006-2007 on the basis of G3 variants PK7 the cartridge 7.62 mm x 39 and PK8 for ammunition 5.56 mm x 45 (New weapon for Pakistan, 2007-06-16). Do not have given rise to greater interest from potential buyers. PK7 proved to be too expensive for the price clones AK / AKM from China, and PK8 rejected the army, deciding to keep the cartridge 7.62 mm x 51 Both structures have been tested factory, but never implemented them into production.

An interesting fact is the lack of handle mounting rail under tension. Representatives of POF argued that this is to reduce the risk of injury during hand reload

In 2007, Pakistan declared the need to purchase from 500 to 800 thousand. construction of new shooting, but the cost of this operation, the estimated time for approx. 2 billion, discouraged military decision-makers. Implementation of the production of the new model proved to be too expensive, furthermore, if the army is satisfied with the design used for archery. It is worth noting that because of the weapons used in the technology of the 1940s and 1950s production G3 rifle is now quite expensive. \

Comparison variety G3S summary of 300-mm barrel for a modernized G3M with a standard length of 450 mm. The mass of the former is 4.5 kg, the second 4.7 kg

In the meantime, POF developed new variants of the G3, including a shortened variant with a barrel length of 300 mm and a variant called G3S parawyborowy of 508-mm barrel DMR Mk 1

The latter were slightly older variant were ordered, inter alia, by Vietnam (Vietnam buys Pakistani weapons, 2007-08-23). Created a modification of the standard rifle called G3M.
New samopowtarzalny sniper rifle based on the G3 - DMR Mk 1 with 508-mm barrel. Older generation models were ordered, inter alia, by Vietnam
Finally, a few weeks ago been decided on gradual adaptation to version G3M all guns used in the army G3A3 and G3P4. Among the changes to adapt weapons to mount additional equipment by placing a section of the universal mounting rail on the back of the receiver, replacing the bed by a team of three Picatinny rails (with the rail has not been cut to a certain length on the left side so as not to cause injury when tensioning rifle shooter) .
New device outlet MG3 machine gun. It has at the same time allow for hassle-free recoil of the barrel, as well as allow for an increase in accuracy with the same weapon by reducing its impact while shooting a soldier / Photos: Remigiusz Wolf

G3M rifle has a modified trigger mechanism, a much better, more smooth operation. Furthermore, the muzzle provided a new, much more efficient muzzle brake. This way a single shooter firing much faster can guide the weapon to the target again. In addition, POF has developed two variants of front grip - fixed and rotary three positions (vertical and inclined at 45 ° to the front and back). For now, the army ordered the first 7 thousand. G3M of butts extensible with additional intermediate position, used when shooting from vehicles.

The military plans of the G3A3 rifle adapted to a similar standard, but with fixed and telescopic rifle butts. This last solution is to enable soldiers to conduct fire even when the flask up to the summary, which often takes place during the ambush. Unfortunately, the strong cartridge rifle, shooting G3M with stock rod fully retracted is only a waste of ammunition. POF not yet introduced a telescopic flask (with a movable foot moving on the sleeve of the guide), but it has to be one of the available commercial models on the market. Ultimately, all used by the Pakistani army rifles to be adapted to the standard G3M.

POF also presented in Istanbul slightly modified universal machine gun MG3. Also in that case the rejection of the amplifier characteristic there is a new output unit, performing the role of the exhaust brake. This solution allows you to have the ukaemu much more accurate fire while slightly decreases recoil. It is worth noting that due to the delays associated with the introduction of the weapons successor MG3 in Germany, it is the POF took part in the modernization of 2.2 thousand. German ukaemów this type.
Pakistani company was the contractor a contract that the company won the Schmeisser (HK121 in Poland, 2012-04-03).????



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@RescueRanger @Windjammer @MastanKhan

looks good.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Nothing retarded about the MP5.



Then why is the Pakistan Army still ordering batches by the thousand from the POF?

When I was in Islamabad in March, my uncle took me to an army range for a little target shoot. The MP5 I got to shoot was stamped 'POF MP5 14' on the receiver which I was told indicated a 2014 manufacture gun. Incidentally, they had some MP5s there which had been manufactured in the 1980s and which were still going strong.

Hi ,. Lemme tell you why it was a retarded decision . Coz its USELESS apart from CQB missions .. NO,NULL,ZERO,ZILCH use ... It came in use thanks to the the insurgency .. Without that it has no value ...


That is exactly why it is being replaced with AK's... And older stock is bein gone to brig n above officers for 20,000 RS ..

 

[denel]

Sir if you don't mind me asking when did you serve during the days of the apartheid govt or after?

Both my dear friend. Still in reserve call up duty.

 

[Super Falcon]

G 3 ki kitni replica banaoge apna khud ka bhi kuch bana do pof

 

[Thorough Pro]

You have no idea what you are talking about, you need to change computers because old computers can't handle new, bigger, more resource demanding software.

Old designed guns of a particular caliber, can always fire that particular caliber. Period. However with the changes in war "scenarios" new lighter guns are better suited for some CQB scenarios.

It's time for you to learn something about weapons before you enlighten others,

1- lower range - Range is a function of type and quantity of propellant, weight of projectile, length and twist rate of barrel. G3 bullet is lethal up to 1 kilometer. is it accurate to that range? probably not because it's a battlefield rifle not a precision sniper rifle.

2- less accuracy - Accuracy is affected by many factors like operator, ammo, air speed, humidity, time of the day, earths rotation, barrel weight, barrel gyrations, etc. It's a vast subject that I can discuss in quite detail, but don't have the time or the need to go in that detail here. G3 with iron sights it is accurate to 3 to 4 hundred meters, with proper sights may be 5 to 6 hundred meters, pretty decent in my opinion.

3- uncontrollable at rapid fire - If you knew anything about "Roller Delayed" or "Roller Lock" mechanism, you wouldn't write that

4- not suitable for extremely hot, cold or dusty environment - Weapons are precision machines and need to be taken care of, all weapons malfunction when subjected to extreme conditions.

5- not suitable in mountain areas, with terrain height changes and assosciated gravitational effects - What?

6- not reliable, higher stoppage rate - G3 are famous for their reliability. Every machine has a life after which it requires maintenance/part replacement. Firearms are subjected to very high operating pressure and friction and wear out quickly with heavy use. If our soldiers are still using 1965 issued rifles, then problems are unavoidable, and that is not a design problem.

7- low magazine capacity - You can use 50 round drum mags if weight is not an issue.

The whole premise of using small caliber was based on the theory that bigger round (7.62) is lethal and kills the opponent, and a dead opponent is just that, a dead soldier whereas smaller (5.56) round maims/injures a soldier and would require a minimum of two other soldiers to attend/carry him, and would pose a bigger problem for the opposing forces by requiring more resources like ambulance/medevac, attendant, doctor, medicines, etc. but recent wars have shown that injured opponent can be as dangerous as healthy soldiers and can pose a threat to friendlies, hence the search for a more potent round (with experiments with 6.8 instead of 5.56).

My theory is that round should be effective in doing it job that is neutralizing the threat. One round, one dead enemy. Dead enemy is a better moral drainer than an injured soldier. Regarding quantity, one can probably carry 150-200 7.62 or 10,000 pallets, which one is effective?

Once upon a time I had a Pentium-3 PC.... and
It worked----
it worked in the morning---
it worked at night----
it worked when it was hot---
it worked when it was cold---
it worked in the light---
and it worked in the dark---
But I still changed it.....and the answer of "WHY" is not rocket science to guess

Still...I will enlighten you
Comparing to modern designs, G-3 has
1- lower range
2- less accuracy
3- uncontrollable at rapid fire
4- not suitable for extremely hot, cold or dusty environment
5- not suitable in mountain areas, with terrain height changes and assosciated gravitational effects
6- not reliable, higher stoppage rate
7- low magazine capacity
With only advantage being able to defeat body armor, but again that's the advantage of 7.62x51 round..not of the rifle particularly.
But it's no wonder... I have seen threads like JF-17 VS F-22...so it's no wonder at all to praise and preffer G-3 over modern assault or combat rifles

You have no effing idea what you are talking about. You can't compare G3 with AK47, and you can't compare AK47 with MP5. All these are very different platform for very different roles. NO weapon beats MP5 in CQB, personal defence, and guard duty roles. Period.

MP5 did not cam in to use due to insurgency role. Pakistan has been making and using them for decades.

Hi ,. Lemme tell you why it was a retarded decision . Coz its USELESS apart from CQB missions .. NO,NULL,ZERO,ZILCH use ... It came in use thanks to the the insurgency .. Without that it has no value ...


That is exactly why it is being replaced with AK's... And older stock is bein gone to brig n above officers for 20,000 RS ..

 

[ahmad raza jutt]

greatest work

 

[ghazi52]

Nice one .....................................

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You have no idea what you are talking about, you need to change computers because old computers can't handle new, bigger, more resource demanding software.

Old designed guns of a particular caliber, can always fire that particular caliber. Period. However with the changes in war "scenarios" new lighter guns are better suited for some CQB scenarios.

It's time for you to learn something about weapons before you enlighten others,

1- lower range - Range is a function of type and quantity of propellant, weight of projectile, length and twist rate of barrel. G3 bullet is lethal up to 1 kilometer. is it accurate to that range? probably not because it's a battlefield rifle not a precision sniper rifle.

2- less accuracy - Accuracy is affected by many factors like operator, ammo, air speed, humidity, time of the day, earths rotation, barrel weight, barrel gyrations, etc. It's a vast subject that I can discuss in quite detail, but don't have the time or the need to go in that detail here. G3 with iron sights it is accurate to 3 to 4 hundred meters, with proper sights may be 5 to 6 hundred meters, pretty decent in my opinion.

3- uncontrollable at rapid fire - If you knew anything about "Roller Delayed" or "Roller Lock" mechanism, you wouldn't write that

4- not suitable for extremely hot, cold or dusty environment - Weapons are precision machines and need to be taken care of, all weapons malfunction when subjected to extreme conditions.

5- not suitable in mountain areas, with terrain height changes and assosciated gravitational effects - What?

6- not reliable, higher stoppage rate - G3 are famous for their reliability. Every machine has a life after which it requires maintenance/part replacement. Firearms are subjected to very high operating pressure and friction and wear out quickly with heavy use. If our soldiers are still using 1965 issued rifles, then problems are unavoidable, and that is not a design problem.

7- low magazine capacity - You can use 50 round drum mags if weight is not an issue.

The whole premise of using small caliber was based on the theory that bigger round (7.62) is lethal and kills the opponent, and a dead opponent is just that, a dead soldier whereas smaller (5.56) round maims/injures a soldier and would require a minimum of two other soldiers to attend/carry him, and would pose a bigger problem for the opposing forces by requiring more resources like ambulance/medevac, attendant, doctor, medicines, etc. but recent wars have shown that injured opponent can be as dangerous as healthy soldiers and can pose a threat to friendlies, hence the search for a more potent round (with experiments with 6.8 instead of 5.56).

My theory is that round should be effective in doing it job that is neutralizing the threat. One round, one dead enemy. Dead enemy is a better moral drainer than an injured soldier. Regarding quantity, one can probably carry 150-200 7.62 or 10,000 pallets, which one is effective?



You have no effing idea what you are talking about. You can't compare G3 with AK47, and you can't compare AK47 with MP5. All these are very different platform for very different roles. NO weapon beats MP5 in CQB, personal defence, and guard duty roles. Period.

MP5 did not cam in to use due to insurgency role. Pakistan has been making and using them for decades.

It's only good for CQB or as a PDW.. For guard role lmao... Unless it's a majbori... Even army hass tatted replacing MP-5s with AKs on guard duties Aswell as in FATA operations...


It was a retarded decision to get ToT for a gun which was produced specifically for CQB role... NATO cries about 5.56 Mm calib being ineffective in Afghanistan...
9mm ? It's just a automatic pistol ....so Gimme a break!



P.S: I noted that you quote an article abt calibers...

Well the 5.56 mm "Injure and maim" and force inflicting more injuries on enemy combatants dog really work now does it?


It's good for special forces Ops but not as a military rifle calib...


Even in Afghanistan it was considered a failure...

In reali conventional war .. A soldier would be wearing Kevlar .. He would be pumped with andrenaline ... Now if this caliber can't take out (unprotected) taliban .. I doubt I would do much damage in a real war.

 

[Path-Finder]

It's only good for CQB or as a PDW.. For guard role lmao... Unless it's a majbori... Even army hass tatted replacing MP-5s with AKs on guard duties Aswell as in FATA operations...


It was a retarded decision to get ToT for a gun which was produced specifically for CQB role... NATO cries about 5.56 Mm calib being ineffective in Afghanistan...
9mm ? It's just a automatic pistol ....so Gimme a break!



P.S: I noted that you quote an article abt calibers...

Well the 5.56 mm "Injure and maim" and force inflicting more injuries on enemy combatants dog really work now does it?


It's good for special forces Ops but not as a military rifle calib...


Even in Afghanistan it was considered a failure...

In reali conventional war .. A soldier would be wearing Kevlar .. He would be pumped with andrenaline ... Now if this caliber can't take out (unprotected) taliban .. I doubt I would do much damage in a real war.

What are your thoughts on 6.5 Grendel & 6.8 SPC

 

[Thorough Pro]

That's what I said, its the best CQB with very low recoil and ideal for use in hostage situations as it allows quick follow up shots with very high accuracy without excessive penetration. you can use AP rounds to defeat soft armour. this is was never meant for use as a field gun.

I did not quote (copy/paste) any article, had I done that, I would have provided reference. My nick is reference to let's say my passion..

I did not understand what are you trying to say after the PS note. as far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong) you are saying the same thing that I said, so what are you contradicting? did I miss something?

It's only good for CQB or as a PDW.. For guard role lmao... Unless it's a majbori... Even army hass tatted replacing MP-5s with AKs on guard duties Aswell as in FATA operations...


It was a retarded decision to get ToT for a gun which was produced specifically for CQB role... NATO cries about 5.56 Mm calib being ineffective in Afghanistan...
9mm ? It's just a automatic pistol ....so Gimme a break!



P.S: I noted that you quote an article abt calibers...

Well the 5.56 mm "Injure and maim" and force inflicting more injuries on enemy combatants dog really work now does it?


It's good for special forces Ops but not as a military rifle calib...


Even in Afghanistan it was considered a failure...

In reali conventional war .. A soldier would be wearing Kevlar .. He would be pumped with andrenaline ... Now if this caliber can't take out (unprotected) taliban .. I doubt I would do much damage in a real war.

 

[Zarvan]

I don't it's done by which country but another modified G3

 

[Zarvan]

A Page saying this is not modified G3 ? Is it really G 3 ?

 

[Super Falcon]

Yaaar G 3 ki pecha ab chor do ALLAH ka wasta ha ab tu tabyat kharab hoti ha G 3 ko dekh ka

 

[Zarvan]

Yaaar G 3 ki pecha ab chor do ALLAH ka wasta ha ab tu tabyat kharab hoti ha G 3 ko dekh ka

Pakistan is more than happy with G3

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I don't it's done by which country but another modified G3

@kaonalpha Check out this version

 

[Super Falcon]

Bhai than im sorry to say HK was not stupid to make new version of G 3 which is G 36 if we are happy with old guns than i prefer thompson over G 3 anytime of the day