Despite American objections, new islands continue to be built in the SCS

[Chinese-Dragon]

Spratly Islands Photos: China's Man-Made Islands Continue to Rise Out of South China Sea

So sending a destroyer on the same path as before is really all they could do?

Despite America's constant crying, China is still gaining on the ground, as new islands are in the process of being constructed. And America seems completely unable to stop the construction.

I'm waiting eagerly to see what they will actually do about these new islands. They waited 3 years after China seized Scarborough shoal, to admit they simply decided to abandon their "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines rather than to help them.

This time it seems they are doing even less. If their intent was to warn China away from building more islands, then they need to try harder.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Sending an aircraft carrier near the island will not be a good solution, since the waters around the island are not deep enough and can easily beach the aircraft carrier.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Sending an aircraft carrier near the island is not a good solution, as the waters around the island are not deep enough and can easily beach the aircraft carrier.

Sending an aircraft carrier near the island will not be a good solution, since the waters around the island are not deep enough and can easily beach the aircraft carrier.

America is losing it.

The whole world watched as America raved and cried over Crimea in 2014, yet in the end they did nothing.

The world watched as America cried like a baby, when China seized the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines in 2012. And despite a "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines, they chose to run away and abandon them instead.

Now, America is constantly crying and whining about Chinese island building and hacking, yet somehow both are continuing to happen.

This news story was back from 2011:

US Pentagon to treat cyber-attacks as 'acts of war' - BBC News

They have had hundreds, even thousands of reasons to fight both China and Russia over the past few years. Yet despite their capabilities, they only ended up crying about it?

It's becoming quite pathetic, this constant crying without any action. The sole superpower has become a crybaby in front of regional powers.

 

[Styx]

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

LOL so the US defence secretary is refusing to even confirm or deny if it even happened.

Fantastic. So they are trying to make a point, but apparently they won't even confirm if it even happened or not.

Really amazing. It doesn't matter anyway, since the Chinese nation already got the message, and the message is: Continue building the islands, because no one cares enough to stop it.

@TaiShang, @ChineseTiger1986, @Edison Chen, etc.

 

[Styx]

LOL so the US defence secretary is refusing to even confirm or deny if it even happened.

it's the end of the American empire, under Obama they can barely manage their terrorist proxies in the middle east and Russia bombing them to hell, forget about SCS.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Spratly Islands Photos: China's Man-Made Islands Continue to Rise Out of South China Sea

So sending a destroyer on the same path as before is really all they could do?

Despite America's constant crying, China is still gaining on the ground, as new islands are in the process of being constructed. And America seems completely unable to stop the construction.

I'm waiting eagerly to see what they will actually do about these new islands. They waited 3 years after China seized Scarborough shoal, to admit they simply decided to abandon their "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines rather than to help them.

This time it seems they are doing even less. If their intent was to warn China away from building more islands, then they need to try harder.

Yes let's continue to build islands as planned.

This incident also exposes the need for new countermeasure, something after an initial but ineffective "warning" or "chasing off", but before last option of "firing the first shot". An example is "ramming" used by Soviet Navy in Black Sea.

In February 1988 the USS Yorktown CG48 was rammed by a Soviet Naval vessel in Black Sea.
Everyone backed off after the ram "as usual", quoted by a crew on-board, the incident didn't escalate to exchange of fire.
Soviet Ships rams USS Yorktown in the Black Sea - CNN iReport​

PLAN (and/or other maritime law enforcement branches) should develop protocols accordingly, maybe even purposely built assets, so that more non-lethal options of different impact levels are available to counter similar incident.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

it's the end of the American empire, under Obama they can barely manage their terrorist proxies in the middle east and Russia bombing them to hell, forget about SCS.

Yep let America go back to worrying about their precious ISIL being bombed by Russia.

 

[Rangila]

China summons US ambassador to protest ship near reef in South China Sea - The Economic Times

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes let's continue to build islands as planned.

This incident also exposes the need for new countermeasure, something after an initial but ineffective "warning" or "chasing off", but before last option of "firing the first shot". An example is "ramming" used by Soviet Navy in Black Sea.

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In February 1988 the USS Yorktown CG48 was rammed by a Soviet Naval vessel in Black Sea.
Everyone backed off after the ram "as usual", quoted by a crew on-board, the incident didn't escalate to exchange of fire.
Soviet Ships rams USS Yorktown in the Black Sea - CNN iReport​

PLAN (and/or other maritime law enforcement branches) should develop protocols accordingly, maybe even purposely built assets, so that more non-lethal options of different impact levels are available to counter similar incident.

The weird thing is, the US defence secretary is refusing to say whether or not it even actually happened?

Check the video linked by Geralt.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yes let's continue to build islands as planned.

This incident also exposes the need for new countermeasure, something after an initial but ineffective "warning" or "chasing off", but before last option of "firing the first shot". An example is "ramming" used by Soviet Navy in Black Sea.

View attachment 267788
In February 1988 the USS Yorktown CG48 was rammed by a Soviet Naval vessel in Black Sea.
Everyone backed off after the ram "as usual", quoted by a crew on-board, the incident didn't escalate to exchange of fire.
Soviet Ships rams USS Yorktown in the Black Sea - CNN iReport​

PLAN (and/or other maritime law enforcement branches) should develop protocols accordingly, maybe even purposely built assets, so that more non-lethal options of different impact levels are available to counter similar incident.

I wouldn't call it a spectacular success:

A tiny Krivak-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia against a large Ticonderoga-class cruiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I wouldn't call it a spectacular success:

A small Soviet frigate against a US cruiser.

I'm curious as to what America thinks it has achieved here?

The island construction has not been stopped (nobody thought it would be), America refuses to officially say whether they even did it in the first place or not ( ), but even if it didn't actually happen, just the news of it has caused a huge amount of hatred for America amongst the Chinese population. Even more than before.

And it has portrayed America as the belligerent party in the islands dispute, so even those Chinese people who disagreed with the CPC are now eagerly supporting the creation of new islands. If I didn't know better I'd have thought America did it on purpose to help the CPC.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I'm curious as to what America thinks it has achieved here?

The island construction has not been stopped (nobody thought it would be), America refuses to officially say whether they even did it in the first place or not ( ), but even if it didn't actually happen, just the news of it has caused a huge amount of hatred for America amongst the Chinese population. Even more than before.

And it has portrayed America as the belligerent party in the islands dispute, so even those Chinese people who disagreed with the CPC are now eagerly supporting the creation of new islands. If I didn't know better I'd have thought America did it on purpose to help the CPC.

Well what's the purpose of China hanging around the Senkaku islands??
You aren't going to achieve anything there either.

It's all just a political point.

 

[gambit]

I'm curious as to what America thinks it has achieved here?

Achievement is that China is on notice that the US will not be idle.

The island construction has not been stopped...

Not about island construction but about making it clear that China will not control the SCS.

...caused a huge amount of hatred for America amongst the Chinese population...

Since the opinions of the Chinese population is irrelevant to the Party, why should it be relevant to US ?

And it has portrayed America as the belligerent party in the islands dispute,...

Actually...No. Asia is behind US, not China. Spin will not work.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I wouldn't call it a spectacular success:

A small Soviet frigate against a US cruiser.

It was not about the tonnage of ships, it was about the effectiveness. What I have suggested is ramming could be an effective protocol in the game plan. It's a proactive call leaving opponent with two reactionary options "fold" or "firing first shot", yielding two outcomes "mission accomplished" or a less preferred but still politically-favorable "return fire when fired upon", that's the game plan.

Technically speaking, say ramming a Krival-class frigate into a much heavier Ticonderoga-class DDG, might not be a proper choice of tool, though it did prove serving the purpose nonetheless. That's why I suggest purposely built assets could be important to making this protocol effective.