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Well South Korea is within their right to defend themselves from a nuclear North Korea.
Sure they are, but when they harm national security of China, then they need to suffer the consequences of doing so. Everything has cause and effect. They deploy American THAAD, and we impose punitive measures.
 
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If US know other nation's right they wouldn't invade so many countries, even THAAD if US didn't twist South Korea's arm. you think they're willing to accept a system what will potentially bring therm more disaster than security?.

I don't know how American will swallow this. if Cuba invite China or Russia to install missile to defend themselves from Nuclear USA, so is this also within Cuba right? ...I advise American friends never use an excuse that other in return will use the same argument against you,

Funny you should say that since we prevented South Korea from developing their own nuclear weapons and didn't provide long range cruise missiles. So they developed their own cruise missiles. Whether they resort to nuclear weapons, that would be another story. I'm not worried about China or Russia deploying THAAD since our ballistic missile submarines are far beyond. And if China and Russia wants to deploy THAAD on Cuba, well at least we are even and we don't have to worry about it. And you have to remember that North Korea invaded South Korea with China's approval.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/world/asia/south-korea-confirms-deployment-of-cruise-missile.html
South Korea Says It Has New Missile
SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea said Thursday that it had developed and deployed a new cruise missile capable of a precision strike anywhere in North Korea.

Although it had been widely reported that South Korea had developed its Hyunmoo series of cruise missiles with a range of up to 930 miles, it was the first time that the government had publicly confirmed the deployment of such a missile and released video of it hitting a target during a test launching.

The disclosure came just days after North Korea launched a long-range rocket to put a satellite into orbit. Although the rocket failed, the United States and its allies condemned the launching as a cover for developing intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of eventually carrying nuclear weapons.

The North followed that test with the display on Sunday of what looked like a powerful new missile during a military parade. Weapons experts who have pored over photographs of what appeared to be a launcher for the missile have said that it might have come from China, and that if true, China might have violated United Nations sanctions to keep the North from developing its missile program.

On Thursday, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said in a Congressional hearing that “I’m sure there’s been some help coming from China,” though he declined to elaborate because of the “sensitivity of that information.”

Also on Thursday, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Liu Weimin, said in a news conference in Beijing that China was “firmly against the spread of weapons of mass destruction and carriers of such weapons.” He added that China follows all related laws issued by the United Nations Security Council.


South Korea’s acknowledgment of its cruise missile was meant to send a message to the North, and its own people, as tensions mount over fears the North will stage a third nuclear test.

http://defense-update.com/20120422_new_hyunmoo_korean_missiles.html
The Koreans began experimenting with ballistic missiles during the 1980s, converting a Nike Hercules Surface to Air missile into a ballistic missile, a process similar to that taken be the Chinese converting an SA-2 into the CSS-8 ballistic missile. While the Koreans strived to extend the range and payload of their missiles, to meet the challenge posed by North Korean weapons, they were content with the quiet understanding form Washington to limit their missile’s range to 180 km; Since the mid- 1990s Seoul gradually expanded the limits of their missiles, along with U.S. relaxation of export permits, providing Seoul access to the ATACMS-1a missile, meeting the upper limit of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). South Korea has accepted the limitations of MTCR but public opinion in the country is calling for that limit to be broken, thus placing the entire area of its hostile neighbor North Korea vulnerable to ballistic missile attack from the south. Needless to say, North Korea is not accepting any limitations of missile development, manufacturing or export.In parallel, the Koreans began development of a cruise missile, initially reaching 500km and later extending maximum range beyond 1000km, both challenging the MTCR limits. Most recently the missile attained further increased range of 1,500 km, placing at risk not only North Korea, but also parts of China and Japan.

S-400 technology helps Seoul blunt Pyongyang threat
June 28, 2016 Rakesh Krishnan Simha, special to RBTH
Leading-edge Russian technology will be at the heart of South Korean SLBMS and air defense systems aimed at neutralizing North Korea’s missile threat.

Advanced missile technology that went into Russia’s deadly S-400 Triumf missile defense system is powering the South Korean ballistic and air defense missile programs.

Partly in response to North Korea’s deployment of nuclear missiles and submarines, Seoul has beefed up its armaments industry with generous doses of Russian technology. Among the most critical projects are a submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) and the M-SAM Cheolmae-2 medium-to-long range surface-to-air missile.

South Korea hopes to one-up the North, which is applying the technology of the Russian S-300 missile to its SLBMs. According to Lee Choon-geun, senior researcher at the Korean Institute of Science and Technology, South Korea “uses more stable technology” from the S-400, which is a generation ahead of the S-300.

The S-400 is a highly advanced missile with embedded cold-launching technology. Cold-launched missiles are critical for South Korea’s brand new 3000-ton Jangbogo-III submarine. During a cold launch, the rocket engine fires after the missile reaches a certain altitude. This mechanism allows ballistic missiles to be fired from under water, thereby making it possible for the submarine to remain submerged. A high-ranking military official told Korea Joongang Daily the development of the new SLBM is expected to be completed by 2020.

South Korea’s Quest for Better Missile Deterrence

South Korea and the United States have recently entered working-level talks to discuss extending the range of South Korea’s missiles. A decade ago Seoul successfully lobbied Washington for entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), an informal coalition of 34 states committed to limiting the proliferation of ballistic missiles and other unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction. At the time Washington was hesitant to allow the South into the regime, largely due to Seoul’s history of responding to Pyongyang’s military advancements by pursuing missile ambitions of its own. As the condition for entry into the MTCR, Washington demanded additional limitations be placed on the ranges of South Korea’s missiles, yet even then the United States did not trust Seoul to adhere to the missile restrictions.

American concerns are not without merit. The South’s decision to obtain dual-use rockets from Russia for its first space launch in 2009 underscores the validity of Washington’s misgivings. The technology agreement between Seoul and Moscow may have adhered to the letter of the MTCR, but not its spirit. Now, however, reports are circulating that Seoul has already developed missiles that far exceed the range limits laid out under the bilateral agreement between South Korea and the United States. Seoul recently developed Hyunmu 3C cruise missiles capable of traveling up to 1500 kilometers, allowing the South to attack virtually any site on the Korean peninsula and even placing areas of China and Russia within Seoul’s range. As South Korean defense analyst Shin In-kyun said in an interview with The Korea Herald, “The missile is not just for a war. It is meaningful in that we have secured deterrence capabilities.” Unlike the ambiguity surrounding Seoul’s cooperative efforts with Moscow, such a development, if true, would constitute a blatant breach of South Korea’s commitments to the United States.

Sure they are, but when they harm national security of China, then they need to suffer the consequences of doing so. Everything has cause and effect. They deploy American THAAD, and we impose punitive measures.

Do whatever that makes you feel comfortable. Just don't push South Korea so hard that Korean refugees would go to China.
 
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Why not ? After all they are china and russias' illegitimate fetal alcohol syndrome addled stepchild.:girl_wacko:
You got yourself banned :rofl: probably by Chinese moderator , you should put boundaries that could hurt the communist regime this is not your forum IMHO.:angry:
 
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so it's not Pyongyang that's hot headed and skating on thin ice with it's nuclear and ballistic missile program, hmmm :rofl:

SK needs THAAD-ER to cover all of SK and the surronding areas

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Its possible that South Korea will replace THAAD that will be deployed in South Korea. Right now, they just need a system that works now til they developed their own.
S. Korea to develop indigenous missile defense system instead of adopting THAAD
2014-06-03 05:56:10 GMT2014-06-03 13:56:10(Beijing Time) Xinhua English
SEOUL, June 3 (Xinhua) -- South Korea will develop its own missile defense (MD) system to intercept missiles at a higher altitude instead of adopting the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), a military source confirmed local media reports on Tuesday.

Yonhap News Agency reported earlier that the military decided to develop its indigenous long-range surface-to-air missile (L-SAM) , which is compatible with the U.S.-based Lockheed Martin's THAAD system based on a pilot study by the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, the country's arms procurement agency.

The military source, who requested anonymity, said over phone " the report was true," noting detailed plans will be announced after the defense project committee's meeting on June 11.

It is expected to take some seven years to develop the L-SAM system, and it will be deployed between 2023 and 2024.

South Korea has pushed for the Korea Air and Missile Defense, or a South Korea-type MD system, which focuses on a terminal-phase, low-altitude missile defense. Seoul's Defense Ministry has said that the low-tier MD refers to intercepting missiles at an altitude of less than 100 km.

Seoul will upgrade its PAC-2 missiles to Lockheed Martin's PAC- 3 to shoot down missiles, possibly launched from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), at an altitude of less than 40 km.

The L-SAM system will intercept missiles at an altitude of 40 km or above, moderating worries that the PAC-2 and PAC-3 are not sufficient to shoot down ballistic missiles from the DPRK, possibly tipped with nuclear warheads.

The THAAD, designed to intercept missiles at an altitude of 40- 150 km, has been picked as one of candidates for Seoul's missile defense buildup, but the defense ministry has repeatedly denied the THAAD adoption.
 
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No more "Hanliu" pls. :rofl::lol:
whats that?

Just like America's complaint of Chinese construction activities in the SCS.

Just like your Vietnam's complaint when China put its 981 semi-submersible oil rig in the SCS.



China needs the following in my opinion:

1. Immediately remove No-First-Use nuclear policy.

2. Officially state China will build up its nuclear arsenal to say around 8,000-10,000.

3. Immediately remove the No-Alliances AND No-Overseas bases policies.

4. Increase the official military budget to 4-5% of GDP ($400-$500 billion).

5. Accelerate the development of China's own defensive weapons. HQ-19 (China's THAAD), HQ-26 (China's SM-3) and HQ-29 (China's PAC-3).

6. Increase the quantity of DF-21 MRBM, DF-25/26/27 IRBM.

7. Accelerate the construction of Type 055 cruiser.

8. Station offensive AND defensive weapons in the SCS islands.

or simply make it public that SK will be a target in an event of nuclear exchanges. Perhaps entice NK to escalate a real conflict with SK vowing to support NK
 
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whats that?



or simply make it public that SK will be a target in an event of nuclear exchanges. Perhaps entice NK to escalate a real conflict with SK vowing to support NK

China should use this crisis as an excuse to remove the self-imposed policies and accelerate the military buildup. It provides a perfect excuse as a threat to Chinese national security.

Never let a crisis go to waste.
 
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THAAD deployment puts Asia-Pacific in peril
By Wang Xiaohui
China.org.cn, August 4, 2016

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THAAD system. [File photo]

There's a Chinese proverb that goes, "Xiang Zhuang performed the sword dance as a cover for his attempt on Liu Bang's life." The meaning is that people sometimes speak and act with a hidden motive. The recent decision made by the United States and South Korea to deploy the THAAD system is a clear reflection of this Chinese saying.

On the surface, the deployment is meant to deter a nuclear threat from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). However, with an interception capacity at altitudes well above the earth's atmosphere, using THAAD as deterrence to the DPRK's short-range missiles is like "killing a mosquito with anti-aircraft artillery." America's hidden intention is to monitor and deter countries like China and Russia.

For the United States, the THAAD deployment is an essential part of its "rebalancing" policy in the Asia-Pacific, which serves to consolidate its military supremacy in the region, and even in the world as a whole. But for South Korea, the move is a huge mistake and will place the country in an even more perilous situation.

Since Chinese President Xi Jinping and South Korean President Park Geun-hye took office, Sino-South Korean exchanges at the senior level have become more frequent, leading to rapid improvement in their economic and trade relations.

In 2015, South Korea became China's second largest trading partner, surpassing Japan and standing only behind the United States. According to a financial news report from China Central Television (CCTV), up to 6.11 million Chinese people traveled to South Korea in 2015, accounting for over 40 percent of the country's overall inbound travelers while spending an average of 14,000 yuan (US$ 2111.96) per person during their stay.

But the deployment of the THAAD system is bound to take a toll on these breakthroughs and impair future economic and trade cooperation as well as tourism.

It will also be seen as a huge "provocation" toward the DPRK and could possibly send the Korean Peninsula into a vicious spiral of arms race.

Many sides want to see the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and are trying to keep negotiations underway despite they are faced with many difficulties. The deployment of the THAAD system, however, will render all past efforts pointless and greatly lower the possibility of solving the problem through a peaceful solution.

In the wake of the THAAD announcement in July, the DPRK fired multiple ballistic missiles as a show of force and warned that it would retaliate against the new system with a "physical response.”

The THAAD system is nothing less than a "powder keg" in South Korea's backyard. If the imaginary war does come true, South Korea is bound to become a battlefield. Its own people will suffer the most, transforming their "new era of hope and happiness" into "an era of misery.”

The United States, on the other hand, has more choices. It can either actively engage in the war or stand aside watching, and more likely, it could walk away, just as it did during the Vietnam War, leaving deaths, injuries and debris to the Korean Peninsula.

Some insightful people in South Korea have already pointed out the mistakes of the irrational deployment. Sang-Man Lee, a professor at Institute for Far Eastern Studies at Kyungnam University, said that deploying the THAAD system is a non-strategic decision that mainly serves U.S. interests while impairing a peaceful unification on the Korean Peninsula and putting people's safety at risk.

On July 21, over 2,000 Koreans gathered at a square outside the main train station in Seoul for a rally to protest the deployment.

Let's hope the South Korean administration will think twice and thrice for the well-being of the Korean Peninsula, of Asia, and most importantly, of its own people.

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Korean government is kindly warned. China cares about Korean security. But, China does not want to see its national security to be imperiled by a policy decision that is not helpful to Korean security at all, but only serves to the US interests to enforce its military grip on our region.
 
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China has made it very clear that it's not happy with THAAD through diplomats and media.

South Korea is still going ahead with THAAD.

I'm just waiting for the next step by China.

China showed HQ/SC-19 tests as response.
The big difference I noticed - the Size of HQ-19 is way too big compare to THAAD interceptor.
 
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-thaad-idUSKCN10F0B8


South Korea could change the site of a U.S. THAAD anti-missile defense unit in the southeastern county of Seongju due to health and environmental concerns among residents, said Yonhap News Agency, citing remarks from President Park Geun-hye.

South Korea in July announced the U.S. Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system will be deployed in the farming county, triggering protests from residents worried about possible negative health and environmental impact.

"In consideration of concerns held by the residents of Seongju, we will consider a different site if there is any that the county recommends," Yonhap quoted Park as saying in a meeting with lawmakers.



(Corrects quote in 3rd paragraph, after news agency corrected its report, to note site recommendation would be from Seongju county, not the military)



(Reporting by Se Young Lee; Editing by Michael Perry)
 
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SK could always go for SM-3 which is actually way better than THAAD


upgrade the current 3 sejong the great destroyers and next 3 to use them :D


instead of a stationary ABM defense you got one that is mobile. that would make China even more nervous.
 
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Opinion: US' hidden agenda behind THAAD deployment
| 2016-08-04

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A woman walks past a poster expressing opposition to the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) in Seongju county, South Korea, Aug. 2, 2016. (Xinhua/Yao Qilin)



BEIJING, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- With the installation of an anti-missile missile system that can hardly cover Seoul but is able to spy on China and Russia's Far East, the United States aims to defend nobody in East Asia, but its insatiable appetite for hegemony and military advantage.

The hidden agenda of US in deploying the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system (THAAD) on the southeastern part of the Korean Peninsula is perfectly based on its excuse of a so-called "missile threat" from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), which is deemed as "rogue state" and "axis of evil" by Washington.

Defending allies from bullying by missiles of a "rogue state" naturally strengthens Washington's moral high ground. Nevertheless, the reality is far less noble than what Uncle Sam portraits.

The fact that THAAD shields all U.S. barracks on the peninsula while leaving Seoul and its surrounding cities housing almost half of the country's population unprotected completely unmasks US' hidden agenda.


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People attend a rally to protest against deploying the U.S. missile defense system, called Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), in front of the defense ministry in Seoul, South Korea, July 13, 2016. (Xinhua/Wang Jiahui)


For starters, deploying THAAD in South Korea is a crucial step to heal the Achilles heel of Washington's anti-missile missile system in the Asia Pacific, which has long been nagged by its inadequate recognition ability.

With the help of THAAD's X band radar commanding surveillance of an area that extends over 1,200 miles (1,900 kilometers) from the peninsula, i.e. almost half of China's territory and the southern part of Russia's Far East, the United States can effectively and immediately raise the recognition accuracy.

The second part of Washington's hidden agenda also concerns with the X band radar: If deployed, THAAD could help the U.S. army to collect radar data of warheads and decoys of China and Russia's strategic missiles by monitoring their experiments, thus enable the United States to neutralize their nuclear deterrence.

For all that, deploying THAAD in South Korea to encounter the so-called "missile threat" from a "rogue state" is yet another self-directed and self-acted Hollywood-style drama of Uncle Sam. What lies under the savior's costume is clear and simple -- his strategic anxiety and appetite for supremacy and upper hand.
 
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Cuba 2.0 unfurling。。。。。。

Let's wait and see how things develop.

Remember this, during Cuba crisis Krushchev backed off. that was one of the key turning point in the cold war. US won eventually.
 
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