Denmark plans to deprive jihadists' children of their citizenship

[Kailash Kumar]

Denmark plans to deprive jihadists' children of their citizenship

Sandrine Amiel

28/03/2019

Children born abroad to Danish jihadists will no longer receive Danish citizenship, the immigration ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

"As their parents have turned their back on Denmark, there is no reason for the children to become Danish citizens," Immigration Minister Inger Stojberg was quoted as saying in a statement.

The proposal was laid out by the minority government after striking a deal with its populist ally, the Danish People's Party.

While the bill must still go through parliament, the government expects it to pass easily. "It's hard for me to believe that some parties in parliament are not willing to protect Denmark," the minister told press agency Ritzau.

No date has been set for the vote.

'Forty jihadists with links to Denmark in Syria'
Since 2016, it has been a criminal offence under Danish law to have fought in conflict zones for a terrorist group.

The courts have already convicted 13 people for having joined or tried to join a terrorist organisation.

Nine of those were stripped of their Danish nationality and expelled from the country. The others could not be stripped of their citizenship as they did not hold dual nationality.

Under the new rules, holders of dual nationality can lose their Danish citizenship by simple administrative order.

There are around 40 jihadists with links to Denmark in what used to be territory held by the so-called Islamic State group in Syria, 10 of whom have been captured, according to the government.

The exact number of Danish children born there remains unknown.

How to deal with jihadists' children: a major headache for Europe
The fate of foreign fighters with the so-called Islamic State group and their families has become a major headache for European countries since the fall of its caliphate in Syria.

Even when it came to jihadists' children, European countries have varied greatly in their approaches.

The UK government recently faced criticism after the baby of an exiled IS bride died while the pair were in a Syrian refugee camp.

Shamima Begum, 19, left London with her two school friends in 2015 to join the jihadist group. She returned to the spotlight last month when she took part in media interviews saying she wanted to come home.

But despite her public pleas, the UK government stripped the teenager of her British citizenship. Her son Jarrah was born in February but died in a Syrian hospital a few weeks later.

In France, the government has repatriated several orphan French children from Syrian camps in recent weeks.

However, the 'case-by-case' policy implemented by the government has also drawn criticism by human rights advocates, who say all French children should be entitled to protection rather than just orphans.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/03/28...Feed:+euronews/en/news+(euronews+-+news+-+en)

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Everybody is scared from Jihad these days. Most countries are taking strict measure to avoid unrest in the country.

 

[Dubious]

Denmark plans to deprive jihadists' children of their citizenship

Sandrine Amiel

28/03/2019

Children born abroad to Danish jihadists will no longer receive Danish citizenship, the immigration ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

"As their parents have turned their back on Denmark, there is no reason for the children to become Danish citizens," Immigration Minister Inger Stojberg was quoted as saying in a statement.

The proposal was laid out by the minority government after striking a deal with its populist ally, the Danish People's Party.

While the bill must still go through parliament, the government expects it to pass easily. "It's hard for me to believe that some parties in parliament are not willing to protect Denmark," the minister told press agency Ritzau.

No date has been set for the vote.

'Forty jihadists with links to Denmark in Syria'
Since 2016, it has been a criminal offence under Danish law to have fought in conflict zones for a terrorist group.

The courts have already convicted 13 people for having joined or tried to join a terrorist organisation.

Nine of those were stripped of their Danish nationality and expelled from the country. The others could not be stripped of their citizenship as they did not hold dual nationality.

Under the new rules, holders of dual nationality can lose their Danish citizenship by simple administrative order.

There are around 40 jihadists with links to Denmark in what used to be territory held by the so-called Islamic State group in Syria, 10 of whom have been captured, according to the government.

The exact number of Danish children born there remains unknown.

How to deal with jihadists' children: a major headache for Europe
The fate of foreign fighters with the so-called Islamic State group and their families has become a major headache for European countries since the fall of its caliphate in Syria.

Even when it came to jihadists' children, European countries have varied greatly in their approaches.

The UK government recently faced criticism after the baby of an exiled IS bride died while the pair were in a Syrian refugee camp.

Shamima Begum, 19, left London with her two school friends in 2015 to join the jihadist group. She returned to the spotlight last month when she took part in media interviews saying she wanted to come home.

But despite her public pleas, the UK government stripped the teenager of her British citizenship. Her son Jarrah was born in February but died in a Syrian hospital a few weeks later.

In France, the government has repatriated several orphan French children from Syrian camps in recent weeks.

However, the 'case-by-case' policy implemented by the government has also drawn criticism by human rights advocates, who say all French children should be entitled to protection rather than just orphans.

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Maybe the real question they should start asking is why 1 of the "happiest" countries exports terrorists?

 

[Kailash Kumar]

Maybe the real question they should start asking is why 1 of the "happiest" countries exports terrorists?

Maybe they became one of the happiest countries AFTER they exported all the terrorists.

 

[Dubious]

Maybe they became one of the happiest countries AFTER they exported all the terrorists.

Did they now? Again, unlike india, world needs something called proofs before making statements like that

 

[TheNoob]

Bring back Capital Punishment with huge penalty to the family of terrorists.

This is how you stop these unwanted jihadist who arent even from europe.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

Did they now? Again, unlike india, world needs something called proofs before making statements like that

No. It was a joke.

Maybe the real question they should start asking is why 1 of the "happiest" countries exports terrorists?

I found an article (from 2017) where a reporter talks about his interviews with jihadis from Denmark.

Some excerpts from the article:

Q. In your research, have you noticed any common traits in the backgrounds of Denmark’s foreign fighters (age, gender, profession, geographical location) and their pathways into joining the Jihad?

...most foreign fighters are young men and the vast majority have family roots outside the European continent.

...the main part had struggled with social challenges of some sort—their parents’ divorce, a mental diagnosis, deaths in the near family, etc.

...a great number of Danish foreign fighters were average middle class kids...

...a significant number of Danish foreign fighters with non-Western backgrounds came from families that were remarkably secular and liberal.

...most foreign fighters are in fact converts—some may just have Muslim family roots.

...these converts from Muslim families share their pathway into the jihadist milieu with that of “regular” ethnic Danish converts; they do not feel strongly about religion, something happens along the way, they are socially marginalized, perhaps they enter a criminal environment, and at a certain point in time they are intrigued by Islam as a way out of their problems. Often, the radicalisation process that follows completely changes their approach to Islam—just as with the Danish converts who have no previous experience with Islam whatsoever.

Common socioeconomic traits simply doesn’t do the job when it comes to explaining why foreign fighters decide to wage jihad.

Q. ...one of the things that stands out in your interviews with foreign fighters is this idea of “the state” as a cause. What does this concept of “the state” mean to the foreign fighters you spoke to and why is it such a powerful idea that it is worth travelling many miles across the world to fight and die for?

The very idea of a state was a recurrent narrative among IS fighters. In fact, several fighters consider this notion a direct motivation for joining the battlefield.

...they are not just joining an insurgency; they are joining a state.

...they see themselves as immigrants who want to settle down and build a future.

A Danish born Salafi with Pakistani roots named Shiraz Tariq, who is perhaps the most prominent jihadi figure in Denmark, often spoke of the state as a goal in itself.

“My goal is to fight the infidels until the state is implemented,” he told me in an interview from Syria.

To at least some parts of Danish foreign fighters, institutional aspects such as economic systems, schools, and legal systems are key in their justification of violent jihad. They talk about “protecting the state” rather than protecting Islam, or protecting the group.

Q. How did the fighters you interviewed describe life inside the state and what sort of roles did they undertake?

I’ve met with returnees who’ve returned further radicalized in terms of both ideology and fighting skills.

In the mind of a jihadist, it is not necessarily contradictive to live in a real world of fighting and a virtual world that enables you to dream about how a perfect caliphate should look like or how a new Islamic golden age should look like.

Q. There has been a lot of discussion about the role of religion as a driver of the foreign fighters, including the role played by mosques. How influential have Danish mosques been in the radicalisation of foreign fighters?

...very few militants mention that they get their religious inspiration from the mosques.

This is due to widespread conspiracies that the mosques are in fact right-hand men for the Danish government or the intelligence service.

...many Danish foreign fighters rely almost exclusively on their close friends

That said, I think it would be a huge mistake to underestimate the role of religion when it comes to foreign fighter mobilization. While you can argue that the social and political dimension were more prevalent driving factors during the first years of the Syria civil war, I find religion—or at least arguments rooted in Islamic texts—to play a quite decisive role today and even since early 2015.

The fundamental ideology of IS is deeply Islamic.

https://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/blog/denmarks-foreign-fighters-an-interview-with-jakob-sheikh

I hope this answers your question.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

This is really cruel. Children cannot be held responsible for the actions of their parents. Denmark is the most racist society of Northern Europe.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

This is really cruel. Children cannot be held responsible for the actions of their parents. Denmark is the most racist society of Northern Europe.

There should be repercussions for idiocy. If they renounce western society to go fight for a fundamentalist one then that's where they and their offspring should live.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Typical fear mongering article to promote right wing fascism.

Firstly, how did the European Security Services allow people to get to Syria in the first place?

Europe is nothing remotely like Pakistan/Afghanistan or a war zone.

There is no way you can just get radicalised and "go Syria". Anyone with a logical brain would know that you can google "fake ISIS", "ISIS green screen" "ISIS military CIA black operations" etc. and just look at the undeniable evidence of there is nothing in Syria except NATO military.

No. It was a joke.



I found an article (from 2017) where a reporter talks about his interviews with jihadis from Denmark.

Some excerpts from the article:

Q. In your research, have you noticed any common traits in the backgrounds of Denmark’s foreign fighters (age, gender, profession, geographical location) and their pathways into joining the Jihad?

...most foreign fighters are young men and the vast majority have family roots outside the European continent.

...the main part had struggled with social challenges of some sort—their parents’ divorce, a mental diagnosis, deaths in the near family, etc.

...a great number of Danish foreign fighters were average middle class kids...

...a significant number of Danish foreign fighters with non-Western backgrounds came from families that were remarkably secular and liberal.

...most foreign fighters are in fact converts—some may just have Muslim family roots.

...these converts from Muslim families share their pathway into the jihadist milieu with that of “regular” ethnic Danish converts; they do not feel strongly about religion, something happens along the way, they are socially marginalized, perhaps they enter a criminal environment, and at a certain point in time they are intrigued by Islam as a way out of their problems. Often, the radicalisation process that follows completely changes their approach to Islam—just as with the Danish converts who have no previous experience with Islam whatsoever.

Common socioeconomic traits simply doesn’t do the job when it comes to explaining why foreign fighters decide to wage jihad.

Q. ...one of the things that stands out in your interviews with foreign fighters is this idea of “the state” as a cause. What does this concept of “the state” mean to the foreign fighters you spoke to and why is it such a powerful idea that it is worth travelling many miles across the world to fight and die for?

The very idea of a state was a recurrent narrative among IS fighters. In fact, several fighters consider this notion a direct motivation for joining the battlefield.

...they are not just joining an insurgency; they are joining a state.

...they see themselves as immigrants who want to settle down and build a future.

A Danish born Salafi with Pakistani roots named Shiraz Tariq, who is perhaps the most prominent jihadi figure in Denmark, often spoke of the state as a goal in itself.

“My goal is to fight the infidels until the state is implemented,” he told me in an interview from Syria.

To at least some parts of Danish foreign fighters, institutional aspects such as economic systems, schools, and legal systems are key in their justification of violent jihad. They talk about “protecting the state” rather than protecting Islam, or protecting the group.

Q. How did the fighters you interviewed describe life inside the state and what sort of roles did they undertake?

I’ve met with returnees who’ve returned further radicalized in terms of both ideology and fighting skills.

In the mind of a jihadist, it is not necessarily contradictive to live in a real world of fighting and a virtual world that enables you to dream about how a perfect caliphate should look like or how a new Islamic golden age should look like.

Q. There has been a lot of discussion about the role of religion as a driver of the foreign fighters, including the role played by mosques. How influential have Danish mosques been in the radicalisation of foreign fighters?

...very few militants mention that they get their religious inspiration from the mosques.

This is due to widespread conspiracies that the mosques are in fact right-hand men for the Danish government or the intelligence service.

...many Danish foreign fighters rely almost exclusively on their close friends

That said, I think it would be a huge mistake to underestimate the role of religion when it comes to foreign fighter mobilization. While you can argue that the social and political dimension were more prevalent driving factors during the first years of the Syria civil war, I find religion—or at least arguments rooted in Islamic texts—to play a quite decisive role today and even since early 2015.

The fundamental ideology of IS is deeply Islamic.

https://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/blog/denmarks-foreign-fighters-an-interview-with-jakob-sheikh

I hope this answers your question.

Absolute crap.

What this article proves is nothing but a Nazi-styled psyche racial profile to identify an enemy with.

Since when did the people start thinking you can go around mouth piecing things like "ISIS" "Jihad" AND EXPECT people not to research them. Then once researching them come to the conclusion they are a fabrication.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Denial of citizenship to Muslims seems to be the future in which the West is heading in.

Very dangerous precedent.

 

[jamal18]

Denial of citizenship to Muslims seems to be the future in which the West is heading in.

Very dangerous precedent.

You will remember in the old days there was a culture of 'repatriation' and 'send them back to where they came from'.
This is just the same policy under a different banner.

Removing a person's citizenship is a massive act, and almost without precedent. Why not punish them by the law, as with anything else? This is a policy in which the far right take the lead.

What's the next step, removing a persons citizenship for having the wrong belief?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You will remember in the old days there was a culture of 'repatriation' and 'send them back to where they came from'.
This is just the same policy under a different banner.

Removing a person's citizenship is a massive act, and almost without precedent. Why not punish them by the law, as with anything else? This is a policy in which the far right take the lead.

What's the next step, removing a persons citizenship for having the wrong belief?

Trump has been very adamant to remove birthright citizenship in the US as well.

Why focus on Denmark?

Everything and everything needs to be done to ensure that Modi gets elected in India and that his party rules India for the next 35 to 40 years. Every effort should be made so that Hinduist teachings replace the current education system in India. Every effort needs to be made to steer the Indian population towards ultra Hinduist extremism. Every effort should be made so that any level of moderation is not tolerated, the secularists are labelled as traitors and the right wing fascist parties rule with an absolute majority. Do everything that needs to be done to ensure that the caste system is implemented to last dot and such culture becomes the absolute legal and social basis of the Indian society even more than it already is.

As far as Denmark goes, let them make their laws.

Don’t worry brother. Trust in Allah swt. Whatever happens will all be for the best.

Our focus should be to expose the true nature of Indians, not necessarily to elect hardliners.

 

[Dubious]

...the main part had struggled with social challenges of some sort—their parents’ divorce, a mental diagnosis, deaths in the near family, etc.

yet they are not classified as a psychologically dysfunctional looneys?

...a significant number of Danish foreign fighters with non-Western backgrounds came from families that were remarkably secular and liberal.

so there were those with Western backgrounds...wonder any light was thrown on these happy people?
So lack of religion growing up caused it?

...most foreign fighters are in fact converts—some may just have Muslim family roots.

so with Muslim family roots they needed to convert? I dont think interviewer knows what or Islam really is...

...these converts from Muslim families share their pathway into the jihadist milieu with that of “regular” ethnic Danish converts; they do not feel strongly about religion, something happens along the way, they are socially marginalized, perhaps they enter a criminal environment, and at a certain point in time they are intrigued by Islam as a way out of their problems. Often, the radicalisation process that follows completely changes their approach to Islam—just as with the Danish converts who have no previous experience with Islam whatsoever.

Yet ISLAM gets the bashing from these "recent converts"? Protraying them as Muslims when they only just "converted"?

Marginalized? Who allowed it? I thought the govt was chest thumping about their great way of integrating people ...oh wait Denmark does have ghettos...but of course that is not the problem....I guess studying human geography is not exactly their cup of tea...Even at undergrad level as an elective we were taught of the dangers of marginalizing and had case examples how marginalized people end up in the criminal cycle...Thought Scandinavia would have studied those?!

To at least some parts of Danish foreign fighters, institutional aspects such as economic systems, schools, and legal systems are key in their justification of violent jihad. They talk about “protecting the state” rather than protecting Islam, or protecting the group.

And yet again Islam takes the beating?

In the mind of a jihadist, it is not necessarily contradictive to live in a real world of fighting and a virtual world that enables you to dream about how a perfect caliphate should look like or how a new Islamic golden age should look like.

Yea dreams of a new convert ...def the one to listen to

...very few militants mention that they get their religious inspiration from the mosques.

This is due to widespread conspiracies that the mosques are in fact right-hand men for the Danish government or the intelligence service.

...many Danish foreign fighters rely almost exclusively on their close friends

Yet the intelligence in USA wasted resources in scaring and further marginalizing Muslims in America - prob hoping they would get radicalized through hate?

That said, I think it would be a huge mistake to underestimate the role of religion when it comes to foreign fighter mobilization. While you can argue that the social and political dimension were more prevalent driving factors during the first years of the Syria civil war, I find religion—or at least arguments rooted in Islamic texts—to play a quite decisive role today and even since early 2015.

The fundamental ideology of IS is deeply Islamic.

This is the conclusion this person could take out from his own interviews? Now that is sad...Either incapable of comprehending the situation or refusing to do so coz they have to always blame THEM and not our own country's failure to integrate and make people from war torn countries feel safe!

 

[Kailash Kumar]

yet they are not classified as a psychologically dysfunctional looneys?

Just because someone has psychological problems, does not make them a 'looney'.
It also does not mean that they need to be locked up in some institution.

so there were those with Western backgrounds...wonder any light was thrown on these happy people?

Yes. He interviewes all types of jihadis: Western and non-Western.

So lack of religion growing up caused it?

I would say lack of proper guidance.
And that does not necessarily need to be religion.

so with Muslim family roots they needed to convert? I dont think interviewer knows what or Islam really is...

He means someone who was born to and grew up with parents who are Muslim, but who did not grew up in a household were they practised Islam.
And later on, they started to practice Islam and they 'converted'.

Yet ISLAM gets the bashing from these "recent converts"? Protraying them as Muslims when they only just "converted"?

Why should it matter that the only just recently became Muslim?
From what I know that, as long as they performed the Shahada then from that point on they are Muslim and recognized as such.

Marginalized? Who allowed it?

They allowed it themselves.
They chose not to integrate and participate in Danish society.
They did not want to be a part of Danish society.

I thought the govt was chest thumping about their great way of integrating people ...oh wait Denmark does have ghettos...but of course that is not the problem....I guess studying human geography is not exactly their cup of tea...Even at undergrad level as an elective we were taught of the dangers of marginalizing and had case examples how marginalized people end up in the criminal cycle...Thought Scandinavia would have studied those?!

They have studied marginalize people.
And they are trying to help them.
But like I said, these people do not want to integrate and participate.

And yet again Islam takes the beating?

Well, that is something that the reporter, who interviewed the jihadis, is trying to explain.
That it is not about protecting Islam but protecting the state.
So, it is the 'state' which is taking a beating.

Yea dreams of a new convert ...def the one to listen to

Do not be so condescending of new converts.
From what I have seen, is that new converts are more practising Muslims than those that have grown up as Muslims.

Yet the intelligence in USA wasted resources in scaring and further marginalizing Muslims in America - prob hoping they would get radicalized through hate?

Did they now? Again, unlike india, world needs something called proofs before making statements like that

This is the conclusion this person could take out from his own interviews? Now that is sad...Either incapable of comprehending the situation or refusing to do so coz they have to always blame THEM and not our own country's failure to integrate and make people from war torn countries feel safe!

Denmark is one of the safest countries in the world.
It is certainly safer than all the countries where all these Muslims came from.
Like I said before: Denmark has done enough to help them integrate and participate.
But many of them do not want to.