Denmark defends plan to strip "refugee" valuables

[Steve781]

This why some people called European a bunch of "Sissy."

Lebanon housed over a million refugee & you don't see them resorting to medieval practices?

Look at a map. See where Lebanon is. Closer to Syria than Denmark isn't it?

 

[Steve781]

@flamer84 @Reashot Xigwin

Meeh..... Roma gypsies as we call them have nothing European,in fact,they arrived from India something like hundreds years ago (or thousand ?). These people have no historical link to the Romanian people nor Romania.
Calling a roma gypsy a Romanian is like calling a Congolese a Norwegian. This doesn't make any sense.



Isn't it Indonesia that say they will send back boat people ?
They want others to open big their doors,when themselves are closing them.

They're angry at Australia because they send the boats back to them.

 

[livingdead]

if denmark gives them social security(free food, house, cloths etc to those who dont have much valuable), I don't see anything wrong in it. but if the country gives them bare minimum(like jordan or lebanon), refugees should have the valuables to rebuilt their life.

 

[flamer84]

Meeh..... Roma gypsies as we call them have nothing European,in fact,they arrived from India something like hundreds years ago (or thousand ?). These people have no historical link to the Romanian people nor Romania.
Calling a roma gypsy a Romanian is like calling a Congolese a Norwegian. This doesn't make any sense.

It does to them.You see ,they push these non Euros down your throats and when they failed to assimilate and continue their nefarious business they say "It's your own people".Just like the Paris attacks /..."They're French"...No,they're not ! They never were ! All they are is a big advertisement board on why not more like them should be let in.

 

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The Robber Baron

You know you can spout your mouth with this on this forum much as you like because you are protected by the mods, but everywhere else, it is well known who was a robber baron and who had a liking for the "young ones".

 

[Indos]

You haven't helped the boat people from Burma. In fact every country in Southeast Asia is in a race to see who can push them away the fastest. You complain when Australia sends smuggling boats back.

LoL, even when you look at Aceh people, some of them looks like Bangladesh people......We welcome them since long time ago.....

Recent Rohingya people in Aceh Province

Tempat Penampungan Pengungsi Rohingya di Aceh Diresmikan

Many of our NGO helped them, we are a democratic nations, and our people still has heart. The government also wants to help according to our Vice President ( in which a representation of Islamist power in Indonesia) if UN decide this people is really a refugees based on UN definition.

JK Janji Membantu Kaum Rohingya di Aceh

 

[Penguin]

Not talking about benefits, but mostly European knee-jerk reaction towards refugees & the need for reform for seeking asylum in the EU.

I work and live here, have friend and collegues in neighbouring counotries. I don't see a knee-jerk reaction here. The asylum system is fine. Border control isn't.

Meanwhile, the per capita stats do paint a different picture, don't they.

It depends on the situation, if there is something bad happens in our region (SEA), we have proved that we will help the refugees


Galang Refugee Camp accommodated Indo chineserefugees from 1979 to 1996 on Galang Island in the Riau Islands of Indonesia.[1] It is estimated that around 250,000 refugees passed through Galang during this period.[2]

Galang Refugee Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course it depends on where the problem arises. I only included Indonesia because someone mentioned something about it earlier.

Still, there is an interesting question embedded about the relationship between 'responsibility for taking refugees' and 'distance from refugee source'. Why should Sweden take Syrian (or Iraqi) refugees to a greater or simply equal extent than Turkey? The distance Syria-Germany seems about the same to the distance Syria-Oman. We dont bitch about e.g. Oman but do about e.g. Sweden, which is further away and can hardly be lumped in with e.g. US involvements in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.If we get to bitch about Sweden, then we should also get to bitch about e.g. Indonesia. Australia or Phillippines for that matter, were actually allied with US in Iraq.

 

[Indos]

I work and live here, have friend and collegues in neighbouring counotries. I don't see a knee-jerk reaction here. The asylum system is fine. Border control isn't.

Meanwhile, the per capita stats do paint a different picture, don't they.


Of course it depends on where the problem arises. I only included Indonesia because someone mentioned something about it earlier.

Still, there is an interesting question embedded about the relationship between 'responsibility for taking refugees' and 'distance from refugee source'. Why should Sweden take Syrian (or Iraqi) refugees to a greater or simply equal extent than Turkey? The distance Syria-Germany seems about the same to the distance Syria-Oman. We dont bitch about e.g. Oman but do about e.g. Sweden, which is further away and can hardly be lumped in with e.g. US involvements in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.If we get to bitch about Sweden, then we should also get to bitch about e.g. Indonesia. Australia or Phillippines for that matter, were actually allied with US in Iraq.

Your refugees data is also a bit unfair since I believe refugee in China has ethnic similarity (China ethnic (Han) in Myanmar has a war with Myanmar regime)/ Iran ( might be Iranian ethnic close to Iran-Afghan border)/ etc that also shares border with the original countries.

Compare to Indonesia with Indo-Chinese and Bangladeshi ethnic (in Myanmar) refugees that has nothing to do with our Malay race and separated by seas.

I do agree that Arab people must fulfill its responsibility more, particularly the riches ones. UAE has huge foreigners there, so why dont they give more opportunities to Syrians who has the most difficult situation than other people who have working permit there. And they are also so so rich.

In case of Saudi, they do have huge foreigners there, and it is so possible that @Saif al-Arab argument is true, saying that many Syrian working in Saudi has become the shelter of huge Syrian refugee in Saudi ( the term refugee is not used in there since the people has already integrated)

 

[Bilal.]

What are you even on about dude??

Mmmm... Trolling you guys?

 

[bobo6661]

Whats the problem their country their law ... Dont like it dont go there ...

 

[Jungibaaz]

Dutch

Danes

And Waffles

Big difference, many important.

We'll take one of each, Dane, Dutch and a side of waffles.
There's a few threads where we can discuss differences and sorts in more detail.

@Hyperion

 

[Penguin]

Your refugees data is also a bit unfair since I believe refugee in China has ethnic similarity (China ethnic (Han) in Myanmar has a war with Myanmar regime)/ Iran ( might be Iranian ethnic close to Iran-Afghan border)/ etc that also shares border with the original countries.

Compare to Indonesia with Indo-Chinese and Bangladeshi ethnic (in Myanmar) refugees that has nothing to do with our Malay race and separated by seas.

I do agree that Arab people must fulfill its responsibility more, particularly the riches ones. UAE has huge foreigners there, so why dont they give more opportunities to Syrians who has the most difficult situation than other people who have working permit there. And they are also so so rich.

In case of Saudi, they do have huge foreigners there, and it is so possible that @Saif al-Arab argument is true, saying that many Syrian working in Saudi has become the shelter of huge Syrian refugee in Saudi ( the term refugee is not used in there since the people has already integrated)

Hey, I said earlier I agreed with you and wasn't holding anything against Indonesia.

Please distinguish between refugee and migrant. In SA there are foreign (economic) migrants, they work there. They do not count as refugee.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

That's because you're dumb which adds more hilarity to the situation where you try to lecture others about history when apparently you lack the intelectual capacity of understanding simple things.However,an intelectual pigmy can't lecture me on who I am,who my people are or how Romania got its name.Unfortunately for you and your butthurt internet rants ,most development,literacy indexes out there exclude your beloved riff raff storming Europe from the civilised category,and light years away from my country.Everytime an internet looser like you doesn't cope with the truth he starts thse useless rants prooving once again their idiocy.A nobody on the internet can't tell me if Romania is European or not.There's history,geography,tradition,participation in certain organisations for that.


Now,i will take pitty and give you another crash course in human and refugee rights.

1.Every first safe country should give asylum to refugees.You're a refugee when you arrive in Turkey,first safe country next to Syria.When you leave Turkey,land in Greece,than march in Macedonia where you riot over food given with the Red Cross sign over it,than proceed to Serbia,Hungary,Austria,rioting along the way because people want to register you,you're not a refugee,but an illegal immigrant.

2.Human rights doesn't mean every 3rd worlder from the ME,Africa gets to hop on a boat and choose which European country he'd like to live according to his preferences,then bringing his immediate family as in mother,father,grandparents,all of them with 6-8 kids where they proceed to live on state hand outs (while tax payers work),impose their medieval customs and so on.You probably read the wrong Human Rights Charta.

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I will always find it funny how a right wing idiot always managed to wiggle away from discussion. Gypsy did you know that EU have no universal asylum policy. Meaning if you want to seek asylum with the country you want you have to go to that country directly. Also under article 31 Refugee cannot be penalized for entering a country illegally. Also that entering the nearest safest country thing have no real backing whatsoever. Its just racist meme towards the refugee. There's Syrian refugees in Brazil & I don't see anyone invoking that crap on them.

Articles 12 - 30 of the Refugee Convention set out the rights which individuals are entitled to once they have been recognised as Convention refugees:

• All refugees must be granted identity papers and travel documents that allow them to travel outside the country
• Refugees must receive the same treatment as nationals of the receiving country with regard to the following rights:
  • Free exercise of religion and religious education
  • Free access to the courts, including legal assistance
  • Access to elementary education
  • Access to public relief and assistance
  • Protection provided by social security
  • Protection of intellectual property, such as inventions and trade names
  • Protection of literary, artistic and scientific work
  • Equal treatment by taxing authorities
• Refugees must receive the most favourable treatment provided to nationals of a foreign country with regard to the following rights:
  • The right to belong to trade unions
  • The right to belong to other non-political nonprofit organizations
  • The right to engage in wage-earning employment
• Refugees must receive the most favourable treatment possible, which must be at least as favourable to that accorded aliens generally in the same circumstances, with regard to the following rights:
  • The right to own property
  • The right to practice a profession
  • The right to self-employment
  • Access to housing
  • Access to higher education
• Refugees must receive the same treatment as that accorded to aliens generally with regard to the following rights:
  • The right to choose their place of residence
  • The right to move freely within the country
  • Free exercise of religion and religious education
  • Free access to the courts, including legal assistance
  • Access to elementary education
  • Access to public relief and assistance
  • Protection provided by social security
  • Protection of intellectual property,
    such as inventions and trade names
  • Protection of literary, artistic and scientific work
  • Equal treatment by taxing authorities

Buzzword:
Asylum seeker – someone who has fled from her or his country and is seeking refugee status in another country.

Economic migrant – someone who has left her or his home to look for better work and a higher standard of living in another place.

Immigrant – someone who has entered a new country to settle.


You have anything to say other than Racist diatribe. I have the law to back me up. Hell, while I'm even saying this refugee are still going to to be settled regardless of what you think.

 

[flamer84]

I'm Chinese racially speaking that makes me your racial superior. Seeing that we will take over the world in the not so distant future, but that's a story for another time.

Apparently living under Communist rule for so long has erased any believe of individuality out of you. Because you seems to have suffered from Alzheimer I will repeat what I said not so long ago. I'm not my country nor are you. Also that's off-topic if you want to discuss my country's treatment of refugees you need to open up a new thread & tag me in for discussion.

Germany invited them. Promising them to be settled, but because the EU have no universal Asylum policy they have to make a long trek to get there. Making the refugee crisis even worse. Of which again are more of a failure of the EU for not anticipating this sooner. How many time do I have to tell. "Safety in the 1st country" are Meme only a complete idiot believe in it.... Oops. Check Article 31 that I just posted earlier.

Key sentence:
What makes a refugee is that they cannot go back home.

Nobody cares about your irrelevant shit clay (Polandball talk for irrelevant country.) This is about European Knee-jerk reaction towards refugee & the totally unnecessary bigotry that came along with it. You don't want them. Too bad! But we should do is compromise to lower the amount of refugees being sent to your host country. The problem is the discussion has been poisoned already (mostly by your side) making compromise a lot harder to achieve.

Also Refugee being a burden to economy is a Myth just like "European Unity." More often than not Refugee actually bring more to the table than they take.

The big myth about refugees - The Washington Post

Accepting refugees makes the most economic sense - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Rape, terrorism or any other crime is bad, but those are irrelevant to the big picture & I'm a big picture kind of guy. The truth is those refugees brings millions of dollar to the economy. So you can see why I'm always frustrated by short sighted fool like yourself.

For the article quoted by you to be viable a refugee must be under a threat for his life.He's not under a threat for his life in Turkey,Lebanon,Greece,Macedonia,etc.That article doesn't mean we must return to the 6th century and the age of population migration,it means any country should receive someone under a threat for his life...not the case for a tourist from Turkey...get it now ?.It's not a ticket for someone thousands of miles away to choose his desired destination.It's simple really.

As for the economic benefits,unemployement in Europe is sky high and in the end it's our right to decide if we want to choose some doubtful economic gains while turning our countries into the next Syria.One single European dead in his own country by the hands of this rabble is one to many and after the Paris attack we're way past that.And more such attacks will come,many of them perpetrated by those who stormed the borders unchecked or got away with it because they threw away their papers.It might be just "unfortunate" for you but European lives are important to me and many others and they should under no circumstances be traded just to accomodate welfare migrants.As Western Europe is a vivid example ,accomodation for these people just doesn't pan out in the long term as every other generation is more enstranged that the previous.Sure,there are also good examples of them integrating but the ones that don't, come at the expense of European lives lost and that's not a price worth paying.Nor is it worth to artificially change the ethnic and cultural essence of Europe in a race to self destruct ourselves because this is what will happen if we keep them coming.Most of them are illiterate,unskilled,they're worthless as workforce,as the Germans allready discovered.

I'm talking about Indonesia,Australia,China,etc in here because these countries follow the law and don't permit every migrant out there to just set up shop in there if it feels like it.

You don't see the Czechs bitching about their Vietnamese minority but you see them appaled of having to create a ME enclave in their country.Where these people come,barbarity sets in.No thanks !

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

For the article quoted by you to be viable a refugee must be under a threat for his life.He's not under a threat for his life in Turkey,Lebanon,Greece,Macedonia,etc.That article doesn't mean we must return to the 6th century and the age of population migration,it means any country should receive someone under a threat for his life...not the case for a tourist from Turkey...get it now ?.It's not a ticket for someone thousands of miles away to choose his desired destination.It's simple really.

As for the economic benefits,unemployement in Europe is sky high and in the end it's our right to decide if we want to choose some doubtful economic gains while turning our countries into the next Syria.One single European dead in his own country by the hands of this rabble is one to many and after the Paris attack we're way past that.And more such attacks will come,many of them perpetrated by those who stormed the borders unchecked or got away with it because they threw away their papers.It might be just "unfortunate" for you but European lives are important to me and many others and they should under no circumstances be traded just to accomodate welfare migrants.As Western Europe is a vivid example ,accomodation for these people just doesn't pan out in the long term as every other generation is more enstranged that the previous.Sure,there are also good examples of them integrating but the ones that don't, come at the expense of European lives lost and that's not a price worth paying.Nor is it worth to artificially change the ethnic and cultural essence of Europe in a race to self destruct ourselves because this is what will happen if we keep them coming.Most of them are illiterate,unskilled,they're worthless as workforce,as the Germans allready discovered.

I'm talking about Indonesia,Australia,China,etc in here because these countries follow the law and don't permit every migrant out there to just set up shop in there if it feels like it.

You don't see the Czechs bitching about their Vietnamese minority but you see them appaled of having to create a ME enclave in their country.Where these people come,barbarity sets in.No thanks !

Read Article 31:

Asylum seekers may have already suffered imprisonment and Torture in the country from which they have fled. Therefore, The consequences of detention may be particularly serious, causing severe emotional and psychological stress. Article 31 of the Refugee Convention says that refugees should not be penalized for having entered a country illegally if they have come directly from a place where they were in danger and have made themselves known to the authorities. Therefore, asylum seekers should not be detained for being in possession of forged identity papers or for destroying identity or travel documents.

UNHCR - Refugee protection in international law: article 31 of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees: non-penalization, detention, and protection (3.1)

Apparently you never heard of a "job market." You want to know why most Muslims in Europe do low income work? Its because its what the European wanted because of that little war they have in 1939-'45.

Azzaoui writes that unlike the low-skilled labor immigration that Western Europe attracted following World War II, Muslim immigration to the United States during that time was in pursuit of college and advanced degrees. He suggests the experience of Muslims in the United States should be used as an argument in Europe that "there is no causal connection between the Muslim faith and social problems."

Did you know that 60% of unemployed in Italy are not even looking for a job? & did you know that there's more Egyptians making more pizza than actual Italians. "Sky high" unemployment my ***. If you want to put blame on immigrants for taking advantages of your social system. You should start with the Greeks. Those blokes crashed their economy and to an extent damaged European economy along with it causing the "sky high" unemployment to begin with, but no its always the Mexican isn't it.

Man how ignorant can you be the Middle-East actually have a robust middle-class & well educated population. Even Iraq under Saddam & the US sanction. Back when Syria were stable most Iraqi refugee were housed inside an apartment complexes which they payed for themselves, but here's the kicker the one that are coming. The Syrians are refugee, not immigrants. Meaning they are most likely far more educated than you.
Who Are the Syrian Refugees? | Foundation for Economic Education

Muslim violence are actually statistically lower than that of the local they just have a better media coverage that's all. Even Muslim Terrorism are still lower than that of the leftist. Terrorism doesn't happen as often as you think you are more likely to be struck by lightning twice. Did you know that over 50% of crime in London are perpetrated by those from Eastern Europe (Romania included.) I don't see you trying to kick the Eastern European out? And didn't you just said that Europeans live are so precious. You don't want to be a hypocrite do you? You might find this weird, but crime is a fact of life all over the world.

The same reason you might not find a Czech bitching about the Vietnamese are the same reason the Czech not bitching about the Indonesian. Here's some suggested reading. I suggest you actually read them:
http://www.cfr.org/united-states/muslims-united-states/p25927
http://www.cfr.org/religion/europe-integrating-islam/p8252