Deng Xiaopeng pragmatist who modernized China

[no_name]

Do you guys really think the US has to collapse for China to be safe? We're talking about similar to what happened to China this beginning century?

Do you guys seriously believe a US government collapse is imminent? Is there a middle way, some sort of compromise with reduced government?

I personally would want the CCP to actually pay attention to the people regardless, and not just trying to outlast one another.

 

[karan.1970]

But actually, Bin Laden is an American CIA agent with the English name Tim Osman, and 9-11 was indeed done by the USA itself.

The so called "Bin Laden assassination" was completely staged. Obama said he watched the entire thing live, but later on denied he said this. Then the "body" was dumped at sea before anyone could see it. I think they just killed some poor tribal, and then scapegoated him as "Bin Laden".

I would have responded, but the frikkin Martians have just landed outside my home and I need to go meet their ambassador.. May be later

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

But actually, Bin Laden is an American CIA agent with the English name Tim Osman, and 9-11 was indeed done by the USA itself.

The so called "Bin Laden assassination" was completely staged. Obama said he watched the entire thing live, but later on denied he said this. Then the "body" was dumped at sea before anyone could see it. I think they just killed some poor tribal, and then scapegoated him as "Bin Laden".

And it doesn't matter that Bin Laden is US puppet or not.

Since most of the Chinese people will support whoever is Anti-US.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

if that is true, then why is Thailand's economy very dependent on the prostitution and selling natural resources?

why do Thais live shorter lives than Chinese do?

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

because you are probably living in Bangkok, you are only seeing the best parts of Thailand, and not the darkness beneath, but in China, we all see the darkness. Also, if you have the city 户口 you can get the insurance which helps you pay for the medicine.

i also dont think that the 36 Bahts lets you go to the hospital and get treated.

Healthcare in Thailand



When you are in Thailand, it is important to have your medical insurance documents with you; either that or another form of payment. In the case of a hospital admission, you will be required to pay up front for the treatments. It appears that money plays an even larger part than normal when discussing the healthcare system of Thailand.

In most European countries, problems like these are normally avoided because the patients have mandatory medical insurance and hospitals can be confident about getting paid. It is recommended that you avail of private health insurance when considering Thailand as a place to visit or live.

According to ur logic, vietnam has longer life expectancy than China, so VN is much better than Chine.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Do you guys really think the US has to collapse for China to be safe? We're talking about similar to what happened to China this beginning century?

Do you guys seriously believe a US government collapse is imminent? Is there a middle way, some sort of compromise with reduced government?

I personally would want the CCP to actually pay attention to the people regardless, and not just trying to outlast one another.

Well, the Illuminati groups are planning to wipe out 90% of the global population, especially the non-whites.

How we can't be worried about this?

This fact was confirmed by the military insiders, and the SARS was their work.

So in order to defeat the Illuminati/Zionist/Freemason, the USA as their biggest hive, must be destroyed.

 

[below_freezing]

According to ur logic, vietnam has longer life expectancy than China, so VN is much better than Chine.

Healthcare and lifespan are directly related, so are pollution rates and lifespan, so maybe Vietnam does have better healthcare or less pollution than China. Thailand has very little pollution, so what is the answer?

 

[below_freezing]

Do you guys really think the US has to collapse for China to be safe? We're talking about similar to what happened to China this beginning century?

Do you guys seriously believe a US government collapse is imminent? Is there a middle way, some sort of compromise with reduced government?

I personally would want the CCP to actually pay attention to the people regardless, and not just trying to outlast one another.

No one in 1980 predicted the Soviet Union would shatter like glass. There were no indicators that said the USSR will go down. The economy was growing, but slowly. There was a minor shortage of goods but nothing too serious. By absolute measure, the country was doing not too bad. The CCCP was at the height of its power, and its nuclear arsenal just surpassed the US.

But the main problem, that people felt like they were living with no dignity, and that they felt the system is challengeable, were the 2 factors that contributed to the USSR's collapse.

In the past, at Kent State, the Americans knew their system was not challengeable, because they will shoot the protestors. Afterwards, the inequalities of American society became resolved, or more hidden actually. But today, they realize that the system can be challenged, at the very point that they have began to live with less dignity.

2011 US: 1980 USSR.

 

[rcrmj]

According to ur logic, vietnam has longer life expectancy than China, so VN is much better than Chine.

BF applies to your funny logic not his, and break yours one by one with facts```do you even have a common logic? you must be a lunzi then`?

 

[Chinese Century]

im certain the US will economically collapse.
what allows the US the extended time before total economic collapse is that the US has the reserve currency.

once US interest rates rise, they wont be able to afford the massive interest payments on their debts.

then they have 2 choices.

first is to default.

second is to inflate ur debts away.

ofcourse the US will choose the inflation method, what this means is they destroy the middle class and the small and medium businesses. their technology advancement collapses as the smart people start to leave the US.
the wealth of american people will be inflated too.

the end game for the US is very close. its all about interest rates.

china is in prime position to replace the US, china has the strong fundamentals to grow for many decades to come.
very low debt, high savings pool, rising consumption, massive manufacturing base, etc.

the US bond market is a massive bubble. once that bursts and interest rates rise, then its over for the US.

massive changes coming up in the next few years. MASSIVE!

 

[pzkilo]

这帖子真欢乐，各位还是讨论军事吧。

 

[pandarunner]

My word for CCP: you narcissists rule by law!
There is no other way the top leaders could win the cambat against corruption, especially against local officials. My observation is that the current Chinese political system is thoroughly designed for the party, and the political reform gets stucked because many social problems has occured, causing unstability which the central govt fears most. Once those moves on reforms are suspended, problems will never be settled.

 

[pandarunner]

Deng is a pragmatist, so is PM Zhu Rongji in 1990s. The problem is that both of them more or less democratised economic system and political system, but they failed to move forward as planned. Just like a saying, "break to build", complete is just as important as break.

 

[below_freezing]

My word for CCP: you narcissists rule by law!
There is no other way the top leaders could win the cambat against corruption, especially against local officials. My observation is that the current Chinese political system is thoroughly designed for the party, and the political reform gets stucked because many social problems has occured, causing unstability which the central govt fears most. Once those moves on reforms are suspended, problems will never be settled.

but we have to think: are these social problems caused by the PARTY, or are they because China is too poor? if it is because of the PARTY, then life as an average Chinese should be inferior to life as the average Thai, Macedonian, Angolan, Iranian, Algerian, etc. because they have similar GDP/capita and no "Party".

But from what I've observed, the "effective GDP" of Chinese even in the tier 3 cities is at least 10000 USD/capita if we count the public goods that other countries do not have, which save us money.

 

[rcrmj]

My word for CCP: you narcissists rule by law!
There is no other way the top leaders could win the cambat against corruption, especially against local officials. My observation is that the current Chinese political system is thoroughly designed for the party, and the political reform gets stucked because many social problems has occured, causing unstability which the central govt fears most. Once those moves on reforms are suspended, problems will never be settled.

corruption is very serious in China atm, but I believe the wealth distribution is more serious than that.. once the rich and poor gap reached to a centern point combined with corruption it is very likely to have social unrests...but if the government tries to close the gap or even maintain it, then it will make the society less discontent with the corruption hence gives us more time to deal with corruption.````the fact is corruption cannot be dealt within few years time, but a long campaign

 

[no_name]

I've been thinking whether democratic governments allows a country to stagnate but not collapse or be overthrown completely/violently. What are your opinions?